OSHA: definitely bent in the straight places

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Syncopated: Oct 21, 2010

shame on an IGA posted:

I'm a nanomort

That's one petite mort.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:14

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# ? May 30, 2024 19:27

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
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Ixian posted:

Not for the lady on SW 1380

Details coming out today indicate she was wearing her seatbelt and was still sucked nearly half-way out of the plane; her head hit the side of the outside fuselage. Almost certainly died instantly from a broken neck (airspeed was 550mph at the time). That and being pulled through a 10x14 inch opening in about a quarter second. Awful.

i knew seatbelts were a scam by Big Airplane

if she had just been thrown clear of the vehicle, she would have been fine!

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:22

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Ixian posted:

Not for the lady on SW 1380

Details coming out today indicate she was wearing her seatbelt and was still sucked nearly half-way out of the plane; her head hit the side of the outside fuselage. Almost certainly died instantly from a broken neck (airspeed was 550mph at the time). That and being pulled through a 10x14 inch opening in about a quarter second. Awful.

I thought the shrapnel got her? Passengers were saying there was "blood everywhere".

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:33

The Locator: Sep 12, 2004; Out here, everything hurts.

Mr. Apollo posted:

I thought the shrapnel got her? Passengers were saying there was "blood everywhere".

Passengers were also saying that the landing was more like a 'crash', but in the video taken inside the aircraft that includes the landing you can't even tell for sure when the flight transitioned to being on the ground except from the noise rapidly dropping as they decelerate.

I saw another quote that said one of the other passengers who was tending to the lady 'had blood all over his hands', which is easier to believe than 'everywhere' when a picture of the seat she was in shows pretty much no blood at all inside the plane.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:47

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

People are extremely bad at remembering the circumstances of an accident like this. For instance, something like 80% of people on the ground who saw a plane going down will report that it was on fire, even though that's almost never the case and recordings prove otherwise.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:57

Trabant: Nov 26, 2011; All systems nominal.

Speaking of that flight:

https://twitter.com/BobbyLaurie/status/986306926937075713

# ? Apr 20, 2018 15:27

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

I just found out a company a friend works for has renamed their OSHA people "safety custodians".

I mean, it's technically correct. Just, what?

Trabant posted:

Speaking of that flight:

https://twitter.com/BobbyLaurie/status/986306926937075713

loving ponytail there can't even be bothered to take out his earbuds.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 15:42

spog: Aug 7, 2004; It's your own bloody fault.

Trabant posted:

Speaking of that flight:

https://twitter.com/BobbyLaurie/status/986306926937075713

Christ on a bike.

now I understand why they have to explain how the seatbelts and the whistles work.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 15:44

Kith: Sep 17, 2009; You never learn anything
by doing it right.

In their defense, as someone who has had to wear one due to in-flight emergency before: those masks are loving tiny and it's easy to panic and wear them wrong.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:02

glynnenstein: Feb 18, 2014

Mr. Apollo posted:

I thought the shrapnel got her? Passengers were saying there was "blood everywhere".

It doesn't take much blood to look like a lot of blood. Also, she still might have bled quite a bit from being battered against the side of the plane.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:02

Explosionface: May 30, 2011; We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
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and if they don't dance,
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spog posted:

Christ on a bike.

now I understand why they have to explain how the seatbelts and the whistles work.

What whistles?

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:09

Phanatic: Mar 13, 2007; Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

spog posted:

Christ on a bike.

now I understand why they have to explain how the seatbelts and the whistles work.

In fairness they could take the masks out entirely without meaningfully impacting safety. The fact that they weren't wearing the masks "properly" had no effect on anything whatsoever. They could have left the masks off entirely and it wouldn't have changed a thing.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:14

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Explosionface posted:

What whistles?

There's one on the shoulder of your life jacket, in case you land in water and need to draw attention.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:18

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Explosionface posted:

What whistles?

God drat it, if you paid attention then you would know, wouldn't you?

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:20

spog: Aug 7, 2004; It's your own bloody fault.

Explosionface posted:

What whistles?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoQwZ9BQ9Q&t=120s

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:23

Explosionface: May 30, 2011; We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.

Proteus Jones posted:

God drat it, if you paid attention then you would know, wouldn't you?

The funny part is I actually do pay attention. I've never heard of or seen the whistles until now with the BA video just shared. Always just the ripcord, the waist belt, and the manual fill tube/valve/whatever.

Is it an American thing that I'm in the dark on this, or do I just live in a strange corner of what airlines/planes I fly on?

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:40

Ulf: Jul 15, 2001; FOUR COLORS
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It's probably for trans-oceanic flights, I've never heard a whistle mentioned in a CONUS flight.

EDIT: Wikipedia says "Most commercial passenger life jackets are fitted with a plastic whistle for attracting attention." I wonder if they're on flights that I've seen but aren't mentioned in the spiel. They also don't mention the light since it's an automatic mechanism.

Ulf fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Apr 20, 2018

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:56

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

You don't remember in the safety demos where they say 'whistle once if you are drowning, and twice if you are being nibbled on by a shark?'

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:56

Ulf: Jul 15, 2001; FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE; Nap Ghost

They changed that guidance once they found out the whistles attract sharks.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 16:59

Rad-daddio: Apr 25, 2017

Mozi posted:

You don't remember in the safety demos where they say 'whistle once if you are drowning, and twice if you are being nibbled on by a shark?'

How many times if the shark is hitting on you?

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:00

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
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That depends entirely on how hot the shark is.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:02

Guy Axlerod: Dec 29, 2008

Trabant posted:

Speaking of that flight:

https://twitter.com/BobbyLaurie/status/986306926937075713

It's interesting that's the response. If you're not getting the intended result, then you need to change the procedures and equipment to keep people from doing it wrong. Watching those plant explosion videos tells us that if you don't want to blow up your plant, you remove the valves that can blow up your plant if not used properly.

Kith posted:

In their defense, as someone who has had to wear one due to in-flight emergency before: those masks are loving tiny and it's easy to panic and wear them wrong.

That's what I was thinking when I looked at them, they should be designed so you're more inclined to cover your nose too. They need to fit children too, so maybe that's a design compromise that had to be made.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:05

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Ulf posted:

It's probably for trans-oceanic flights, I've never heard a whistle mentioned in a CONUS flight.

Now I'm picturing a smashed, bloodied person strapped into a charred seat which is half embedded in a corn field, surrounded by the burning wreckage of a 737 and dozens of corpses and screaming half-dead people which are all on fire. "Welp, time to blow my whistle and let the rescuers know where to find me!"

:kingsley:

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:09

Gynocentric Regime: Jun 9, 2010; by Cyrano4747

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Now I'm picturing a smashed, bloodied person strapped into a charred seat which is half embedded in a corn field, surrounded by the burning wreckage of a 737 and dozens of corpses and screaming half-dead people which are all on fire. "Welp, time to blow my whistle and let the rescuers know where to find me!"

What if it's night?

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:11

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Gynocentric Regime posted:

What if it's night?

quote:

surrounded by the burning wreckage of a 737

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:13

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Mozi posted:

That depends entirely on how hot the shark is.

we all know sharks are smooth as hell

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:27

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

boner confessor posted:

we all know sharks are smooth as hell

Not if you rub them the wrong way.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:39

spog: Aug 7, 2004; It's your own bloody fault.

Guy Axlerod posted:

It's interesting that's the response. If you're not getting the intended result, then you need to change the procedures and equipment to keep people from doing it wrong. Watching those plant explosion videos tells us that if you don't want to blow up your plant, you remove the valves that can blow up your plant if not used properly.

No disagree with you, but if, as a human, you are unaware that you can breathe through your nose, I am not sure if there is any procedure that could help you

quote:

That's what I was thinking when I looked at them, they should be designed so you're more inclined to cover your nose too. They need to fit children too, so maybe that's a design compromise that had to be made.

Then you'd have an Up and Down and potentially you could put them on upside down.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:52

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

A rounded triangle shape would probably work better, while being reasonably orientation-agnostic.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 18:23

Ixian: Oct 9, 2001; Many machines on Ix....new machines; Pillbug

Mr. Apollo posted:

I thought the shrapnel got her? Passengers were saying there was "blood everywhere".

Not to be gruesome but I imagine if explosive decompression sucks you out a tiny window in a 550mph slipstream and batters you against the outside of the fuselage for 10-30 seconds before your fellow passengers drag you back in yeah, some blood is going to flow when you are put back in your seat.

The shrapnel never made it past the window. In fact they haven't even found bits of the window itself inside the aircraft; after all a blast of decompressing air (and a human head :aaaaa:

) popped out the window as soon as it hit.

Again, 550mph slipstream. Would have killed anyone just by itself.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 18:33

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
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the whistles are there for the same reason you take one when you go hiking, so you don't have to shout to be heard (and quickly go too hoarse to be heard anyway)

# ? Apr 20, 2018 19:35

Ursine Catastrophe: Nov 9, 2009; It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.

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Guy Axlerod posted:

It's interesting that's the response. If you're not getting the intended result, then you need to change the procedures and equipment to keep people from doing it wrong. Watching those plant explosion videos tells us that if you don't want to blow up your plant, you remove the valves that can blow up your plant if not used properly.

That's what I was thinking when I looked at them, they should be designed so you're more inclined to cover your nose too. They need to fit children too, so maybe that's a design compromise that had to be made.

Does it matter if you're breathing through your mouth though?

But yeah a "one size fits all" nose+mouthpiece that's also supposed to be fairly flush against your face has gotta be a little tricky to size right

# ? Apr 20, 2018 19:43

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Ixian posted:

Again, 550mph slipstream. Would have killed anyone just by itself.

not anyone

quote:

By riding the decelerator sled himself, in his 29th and last ride at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, Stapp demonstrated that a human can withstand at least 46.2 g (in the forward position, with adequate harnessing). This is the highest known acceleration voluntarily encountered by a human, set on December 10, 1954.[6] Stapp reached a speed of 632 mph (1,017 km/h),[7] which broke the land speed record and made him the fastest man on earth. Stapp believed that the tolerance of humans to acceleration had not yet been reached in tests. He believed it is much greater than thought possible.

Stapp also participated in wind-blast experiments, in which he flew in jet aircraft at high speeds to determine whether or not it was safe for a pilot to remain with his aircraft if the canopy should accidentally blow off. Stapp stayed with his aircraft at a speed of 570 mph (920 km/h) with the canopy removed, and suffered no injurious effects from the wind blasts.

so it's likely that she just died from being smashed through the window or battered around outside the plane, and not from the airflow.

:eng99:

# ? Apr 20, 2018 20:16

A Wizard of Goatse: Dec 14, 2014

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Does it matter if you're breathing through your mouth though?

But yeah a "one size fits all" nose+mouthpiece that's also supposed to be fairly flush against your face has gotta be a little tricky to size right

stick your nose in a jar of poison gas and try not breathing any

reasonably good one-size-fits-all protective gear isn't hard to come by, you can get respirators and stuff. they're just hard to design well if you don't want to spend even a hundredth of a cent more than you're legally required to.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 20:24