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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yeah, I co-signed the declaration
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Odd thing to say while teacher strikes are ongoing Tell it to the authors of the Columbia Falls Statement, who specifically decry "Labor" being one of the DSA's top priorities.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:32
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Tercio posted:Tell it to the authors of the Columbia Falls Statement, who specifically decry "Labor" being one of the DSA's top priorities. No they don't, thank's
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Jan 13, 2019 19:37
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:No they don't, thank's quote:Organizational Priorities must be more than our top-three current national priorities (Medicare for All, Labor, and Electoralism). We have other areas of work – housing rights, immigrant justice, racial justice, reproductive justice, sex workers’ rights, disability justice, etc. – that are priorities for thousands of DSA members. A commitment to pluralism does not mean relinquishing the freedom to decide priorities on a case-by-case/chapter-by-chapter basis; it means defaulting to both-and instead of either/or. Look, I understand why you, specifically, want the organization to distance itself from universally applied policy. You don't have to play coy with me.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:40
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Tercio posted:Look, I understand why you, specifically, want the organization to distance itself from universally applied policy. You don't have to play coy with me. Learn how to read, I guess? Right now, DC's biggest outreach is coming from tenant rights stuff, and the statement is about supporting these sorts of efforts over a national program that doesn't reach people where they are locally.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:44
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Learn how to read, I guess? Right now, DC's biggest outreach is coming from tenant rights stuff, and the statement is about supporting these sorts of efforts over a national program that doesn't reach people where they are locally. Then I suggest removing your chapter from a national organization that has national priorities.
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Tercio posted:Look, I understand why you, specifically, want the organization to distance itself from universally applied policy. You don't have to play coy with me. Saying there should be more priorities than those three is saying that one of those three shouldn't be a priority? What?
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Jan 13, 2019 19:47
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what this statement supposes is, what if, they werent
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TrilliontonNixon posted:"The DSA should be big tent," is something that basically everyone in the DSA already agrees with. Reiterating in a statement about what you think the DSA should do is pointless. Tercio posted:Then I suggest removing your chapter from a national organization that has national priorities. 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Learn how to read, I guess? Right now, DC's biggest outreach is coming from tenant rights stuff, and the statement is about supporting these sorts of efforts over a national program that doesn't reach people where they are locally. Oh you're in the DC chapter. Lmfao that explains everything. Sorry you're upset everyone that's not stupid or deluding themselves thinks your friends are, at best, attention-seeking liberals. Most of us think they're COINTELPRO since they're so immune to doing anything that doesn't impact their upper middle class bubble so I can see why you'd be defensive. It must be hard dealing with everyone online wanting free healthcare when Daddy pays for it so why dont they just shut up?
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Jan 13, 2019 19:50
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GunnerJ posted:Saying there should be more priorities than those three is saying that one of those three shouldn't be a priority? What? So, we actually need more of what Whiskey Juvenile dislikes, then? Issues that play well in one local should be made a national priority? WhiskeyJuvenile posted:what this statement supposes is, what if, they werent Then the DSA fails as an organization. Which is why, of course, you agree with this statement.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:50
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Really hosed up that the people in this socialist organization are focused on worker's rights and gains for workers. The number one goal of socialism is making it illegal for Uncle Jack to call me a 'lazy rear end in a top hat'
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Jan 13, 2019 19:51
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Larry Parrish posted:Oh you're in the DC chapter. Lmfao that explains everything. Sorry you're upset everyone that's not stupid or deluding themselves thinks your friends are, at best, attention-seeking liberals. Most of us think they're COINTELPRO since they're so immune to doing anything that doesn't impact their upper middle class bubble so I can see why you'd be defensive. It must be hard dealing with everyone online wanting free healthcare when Daddy pays for it so why dont they just shut up? I'm co-signing this declaration.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:52
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Tercio posted:So, we actually need more of what Whiskey Juvenile dislikes, then? Issues that play well in one local should be made a national priority? I'm just trying to understand how you got "labor should not be a national priority" out of what you quoted.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:52
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GunnerJ posted:I'm just trying to understand how you got "labor should not be a national priority" out of what you quoted. I didn't say that. Tercio posted:Tell it to the authors of the Columbia Falls Statement, who specifically decry "Labor" being one of the DSA's top priorities.
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Jan 13, 2019 19:54
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Tercio posted:Then I suggest removing your chapter from a national organization that has national priorities. our second biggest outreach is our electoral program, one of the national priorities
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Tercio posted:I didn't say that. Yes, and when someone said that the authors did not "specifically decry 'Labor' being one of the DSA's top priorities" you quoted a part of the statement that does not appear to "specifically decry 'Labor' being one of the DSA's top priorities" so...?
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Zikan posted:our second biggest outreach is our electoral program, one of the national priorities Excellent. So DC can work with national there and focus locally on issues that impact DC locally. Nothing whatsoever is broken. No statement was required. GunnerJ posted:Yes, and when someone said that the authors did not "specifically decry 'Labor' being one of the DSA's top priorities" you quoted a part of the statement that does not appear to "specifically decry 'Labor' being one of the DSA's top priorities" so...? Yes, I pointed someone to the part of the statement that says precisely what I said it does. What's your point?
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Tercio posted:Excellent. So DC can work with national there and focus locally on issues that impact DC locally. Nothing whatsoever is broken. No statement was required. national had so little power that working with national is an extremely laughable thing to say in my time, working with national has consisted solely of syncing our membership lists figuring out dues splits having really big actions get a tweet or FB post from the national account applying for a national endorsement for electoral candidates all power is fundamentally on the chapter level, which is why chapters are so different from place to place and. it standardized at all
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Zikan posted:national had so little power that working with national is an extremely laughable thing to say So why was the Columbia Falls Statement necessary?
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Jan 13, 2019 20:03
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Tercio posted:Yes, I pointed someone to the part of the statement that says precisely what I said it does. What's your point? As I said, I'm trying to figure out how you got "labor specifically should not be a national priority" out of what you quoted. You seem very sure that it says this, but it plainly doesn't. It's not even specific since it lists all three national priorities. What are you talking about?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yeah, I co-signed the declaration lol
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GunnerJ posted:As I said, I'm trying to figure out how you got "labor specifically should not be a national priority" out of what you quoted. You seem very sure that it says this, but it plainly doesn't. It's not even specific since it lists all three national priorities. What are you talking about? WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Learn how to read, I guess?
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Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism. People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well--they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work.
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I'm trying to learn, but I keep running up against the actual words you quoted not actually saying what you characterized them as saying. Can you at least tell me how a statement that is plainly, by its literal wording, not specific to labor (since it lists labor among the other three priorities) is somehow specifically decrying labor as a priority?
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Jan 13, 2019 20:06
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Tercio posted:So why was the Columbia Falls Statement necessary? e-cred can someone explain as if they were talking to a poo poo idiot why everyone is so mad over a tweet for a friend
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Jan 13, 2019 20:07
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GunnerJ posted:I'm trying to learn no you aren't
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Tercio posted:no you aren't I'm going to take that as a "no" to my question, I guess.
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GunnerJ posted:I'm going to take that as a "no" to my question, I guess. cool
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Jan 13, 2019 20:09
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the only thing more pointless than the that tweet is the discussion surrounding it, read less you nerds
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Jan 13, 2019 20:11
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Marxalot posted:e-cred The people who claim to be fellow socialists but mysteriously sound like Mao was writing about them specifically from 100 years in the past are once again making a vague but loud attempt to steer the policy of a socialist mass organization from their literal ivory towers. And this thread is upset because the guy famous for hiring servants he didn't pay is saying it's good actually and another dude is apparently roleplaying functional illiteracy so people keep arguing with his stupid rear end instead of examining the obviously counter revolutionary sentiment of this statement
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No one wants to "examine the obviously counter revolutionary sentiment of this statement" because it's boring as poo poo, hth.
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Jan 13, 2019 20:15
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Jesus Christ you guys are being such goobers about this poo poo. Tercio posted:Then I suggest removing your chapter from a national organization that has national priorities. This is such an unnecessarily hostile response to the stated desire. But on the other hand it’s WJ. Man the coastal chapters are loving weird.
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Jan 13, 2019 20:18
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GunnerJ posted:No one wants to "examine the obviously counter revolutionary sentiment of this statement" because it's boring as poo poo, hth. By 'examine' I mean telling WJ to shut the gently caress up, liberal
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I'm just glad it seems like a lot of the toxic elements of my chapter are all leaving and forming their PAC/electoral org thing while talking about how much they were "oppressed" and "purged"
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Jan 13, 2019 20:33
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Lightning Knight posted:Jesus Christ you guys are being such goobers about this poo poo.
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Regardless, enjoy the pressure from within all your chapters to vote for whatever centrist the DNC churns out.
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get off of twitter you nerd lmao
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Larry Parrish posted:The people who claim to be fellow socialists but mysteriously sound like Mao was writing about them specifically from 100 years in the past are once again making a vague but loud attempt to steer the policy of a socialist mass organization from their literal ivory towers. Lmao this statement couldn't be more uninformed Most of the Columbia Falls people (Marge aside) live in flyover country that's why they met in Montana rather than a coastal city
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