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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
they're just gonna run on bernies platform with asterisks attached. the asterisks are tax credits used when you buy things from corporations.

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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Kill your gods.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Willa Rogers posted:

I'm carrying lots of certainty about some aspects of the 2020 democratic shitshow:

* that in order to crowd out any candidate remotely leftish, including bernie but also warren, bad dems early on will coalesce around a neoliberal person of color. Bonus points if the person of color is also a woman, has a background in the military or law enforcement, and started fundraising among clinton donors before the ink was dry on trump's first executive order.

what do you have for odds on the sun rising in the east tomorrow

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

what do you have for odds on the sun rising in the east tomorrow

don't tempt fate

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

what do you have for odds on the sun rising in the east tomorrow

*shakes 8 ball* check back after mayweather/mcgregor floats to the surface

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
the joke is that the thing willa said is a certainty and for evidence we have the entirety of the last eight months

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

anime was right posted:

they're just gonna run on bernies platform with asterisks attached. the asterisks are tax credits used when you buy things from corporations.

Bad dem platform will most likely be a coastal like Harris combined with a male VP pick.

Also part of the platform will be to medicare for all but attending coding boot camps will be required to collect benefits.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
is emmanuel macron the first young, charismatic neoliberal poo poo instantly hated by an overwhelming majority of his own country? thinking back and i'm not sure obama or trudeau received nearly as much hatred on day one

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Office Pig posted:

is emmanuel macron the first young, charismatic neoliberal poo poo instantly hated by an overwhelming majority of his own country? thinking back and i'm not sure obama or trudeau received nearly as much hatred on day one

lol similar to Trump his approval ratings tanked just a few months after starting


http://www.businessinsider.com/emmanuel-macron-poll-approval-rating-trump-2017-8

quote:

French President Emmanuel Macron's popularity among the country's voters is sinking to near-record-low levels a few months after his election win, according to a new Harris Poll.

Only 37% of voters approve of the job Macron is doing, down from a high of 57% after his election in May. Macron, a pro-business centrist — who was elected in a landslide over Marine Le Pen, a far-right nationalist, 66% to 34% — has since come under fire for his domestic agenda.

Though Macron made a strong debut on the international stage, hosting President Donald Trump in Paris, he's now seeking to loosen France's employment standards, making it easier for companies to fire workers, The Wall Street Journal reported. And that could prime powerful unions, along with students and retirees, to protest his proposed reforms.

He could be facing an "alliance of the aggrieved" when he plans to roll out his plans in September, one union official told The Journal.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Office Pig posted:

is emmanuel macron the first young, charismatic neoliberal poo poo instantly hated by an overwhelming majority of his own country? thinking back and i'm not sure obama or trudeau received nearly as much hatred on day one

bill clintons approval in the first year tanked

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Joementum posted:

bill clintons approval in the first year tanked

i'm thinking a further along the post-ussr timeline but yeah fair enough

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

So, semi-seriously, what does the 2020 Democratic Primary look like?

Harris, certainly.

Booker almost certainly (though he's made enough of a fool of himself that I don't rate his chances that highly).

Bernie, almost certainly.

I'd bet either Bloomberg or Cuomo or someone else who thinks that anyone outside of New York City gives a poo poo about New York City politicians (or more likely doesn't really believe that anyone outside of New York City actually exists). Possibly both, but probably not.

Warren, 60/40.

Ellison, god, I'd love to be wrong but I don't think he's running or at least I haven't seen any signs that he is.

Clinton (Hillary), eh, 50/50.

Clinton (Chelsea), lol no.

At least one stunt billionaire candidacy, but I don't think it'll be Zuck (or at least I don't think it'll last very long).

Some longshot celebrity who runs away with it all. And that's how President Monae ushered in an era of peace and cyberfunk prosperity.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
cuomo is running

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

logikv9 posted:

cuomo is running

Imagine a Harris-Cuomo GE ticket...

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"Would you like some water? It's free", said to Bernie at the CNN town hall event before commercial break, is my favorite Cuomo quote

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

docbeard posted:

Some longshot celebrity who runs away with it all. And that's how President Monae ushered in an era of peace and cyberfunk prosperity.

hell yes

100% onboard

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

etalian posted:

Imagine a Harris-Cuomo GE ticket...

:barf:

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
cuomo can suck a dick

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Cuomo's "Free" "College" is such neoliberal means-tested useless garbage that it will actually do damage to the national push for education not being paid for with back breaking loans

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lol Bernie,s actual incompetence on foreign policy is going to be what they attack him not his honeymoon
http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/sorry-bernie-bros-your-candidate-just-doesnt-have--4201

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
i'm not super bullish on bernie running again


also

logikv9 posted:

cuomo can suck all the dicks

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Grondoth posted:

Cuomo's "Free" "College" is such neoliberal means-tested useless garbage that it will actually do damage to the national push for education not being paid for with back breaking loans

lolling at everyone who predicted the NY "free' college" plan would be Hillary-ese pile of junk with lots of strings attached.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
the free college bill was written and designed to mean absolutely nothing because it was a PR grab so headlines would read "cuomo introduces free college in NY!" and so bernie would come for the press conference

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Concerned Citizen posted:

they're gonna use that, cuba, the honeymoon to the soviet union, whatever to paint him as being way out of step on foreign policy. that stuff has been floating around, but hillary never really weaponized it as after march 15 she believed the primary was largely wrapped up and didn't want to risk alienating his diehard supporters (which happened anyway lol). but actually i think probably the biggest problem facing bernie isn't even that, it's just his age. he's pretty old now and by the 2020 primaries he's gonna look even more like the cryptkeeper. in a hillary vs. bernie race a lot of people are fine with looking past that since they may have held a lot of antipathy toward hillary, but with a large field he might bleed support to younger candidates.
saying the word "socialist" as a scare tactic no longer works. evidence: bernie sanders shattering fundraising records and remaining the most popular politician in the united states

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

The Muppets On PCP posted:

i'm not super bullish on bernie running again

He probably will if no one with a similar platform steps up, and I'm not really seeing that many other options.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

The Little Kielbasa posted:

I think it's very difficult to draw conclusions from the 2016 election season because the situation was so unusual. The R primary was a clown car, and the establishment wasn't able to unify to prevent an outsider from taking over. The Ds effectively chose their candidate years before the first primary, which isn't supposed to happen unless they're an incumbent or VP to an extremely popular president. The result was a general election with two of the last popular people in the entire country as the only choices. That's some strange poo poo.
american standards of living are deteriorating rapidly and so americans are desperately looking for something different than the status quo

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

etalian posted:

lolling at everyone who predicted the NY "free' college" plan would be Hillary-ese pile of junk with lots of strings attached.

anime was right posted:

they're just gonna run on bernies platform with asterisks attached. the asterisks are tax credits used when you buy things from corporations.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

saying the word "socialist" as a scare tactic no longer works. evidence: bernie sanders shattering fundraising records and remaining the most popular politician in the united states

I think we're probably one generation out from it being completely meaningless, but yeah. That said, it's still gonna be the right's go-to insult for anyone to the left of, say, Mitch McConnell for the foreseeable future because it's not like it costs them anything to throw it out there.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
new york is such a garbage fuckin state

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

comedyblissoption posted:

american standards of living are deteriorating rapidly and so americans are desperately looking for something different than the status quo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTbashsKic

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
what if the whole anti-russia thing isn't to get rid of trump, but so when the primaries start, they can tie the leftists to russia :thunk:

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

anime was right posted:

what if the whole anti-russia thing isn't to get rid of trump, but so when the primaries start, they can tie the leftists to russia :thunk:

(i dont think they're this smart, but they'll absolutely tie every leftist to russia somehow)

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

new york is such a garbage fuckin state

But is it worse than north jersey?

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

anime was right posted:

what if the whole anti-russia thing isn't to get rid of trump, but so when the primaries start, they can tie the leftists to russia :thunk:
what if it was just something, anything, to distract from H clintz nearly friggin dyin on 9/11, and it got a little outta control?

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

etalian posted:

But is it worse than north jersey?

i mean i dont fear for my life driving in upstate

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

there's a difference between being an imperialist and answering every question on the Middle East with "I will ask the senile king of Saudi Arabia to stop being an rear end in a top hat"

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Raskolnikov38 posted:

there's a difference between being an imperialist and answering every question on the Middle East with "I will ask the senile king of Saudi Arabia to stop being an rear end in a top hat"
there's also a world of difference in voting for the iraq war and voting against it

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
both candidates were bad on fopo for different reasons

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
Bernie would have been better tho because at least his would be incompetent instead of willfully evil

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