|
Shogeton posted:On that train of thought, what about Dragon Souls. And related, Zenos' soul. Miggarsommr's soul apparently just goes with 'I'm not going to the livestream, just chilling' but what of the First Brood that died? Does their soul go back to the Dragon Planet's lifestream, or do they get recycled in Aetherys lifestream? Can Zenos' sould actually return to the lifestream from where he is now? An what about Dragons whose eggs were made on aetherys (First Brood presumably got their soul from Dragon Planet Aether) but does an Etheirys dragon have a soul that is made out of the same Aether as a Hyur or Sahaguin (including the possibility of recycled Ancient Soul)? or are Dragon souls different enough that even if they're made from the same Aether, they need to get either a newly minted dragon soul, or a recycled dragon soul? i have to imagine they are part of the etherys's lifestream simply because of the whole dragon blood/dragon transformation plotline in heavensward, you could have walked around ishguard for your entire life with that part dragon ancestry and never known it without being exposed to dragon blood. as far as i can tell those folks had a normal lifecycle experience that any other elezen would have on the star. also i think the whole concept of dragon vs. elezen aether isn't a thing - that bodies are just form to aether + dynamis + (any)soul + ??? whatever else gets revealed in later xpacs. it fits with how the ancients created stuff too. maybe middy is doing something similar to ascians/voidsent and there is some half-alive realm he can chill in that is darkness aspected though the concept of aether transfer from one star to another is a fun one - could you "kill" a star by loading everyone into a moon and driving to another star? and if that's the case i would also assume the answer for zenos is he gets to hang out in ultima thule's version of the lifestream?? lots of fun stuff to ponder in this line of thought
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 18:35
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 12, 2024 15:26 |
|
|
Mad Wack posted:though the concept of aether transfer from one star to another is a fun one - could you "kill" a star by loading everyone into a moon and driving to another star? What's funny is that, according to FFVII's Lifestream mechanics, yes you absolutely can. This was Sephiroth's plan in Advent Children, to drain the Life Stream and travel the stars as a new Jenova, and Dirge of Cerberus states that the natural life cycle of a planet is that when some world-ending calamity happens, the Lifestream is all gathered into a celestial body and taken off to find a new planet to restart the cycle of life.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 18:41
|
|
|
You’d have to take the entire biosphere with you— or kill everything else and make a hellacious mothercrystal. But if you did that you’re really more migrating the stream if you think about it. Some part of the Dragonstar will always be with Etheryis now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 18:45
|
|
|
Orcs and Ostriches posted:We don't know all of the different species that directly originated from the sundered ancients. Presumably at the very least any of them can have the echo / ancient soul fragment. There might be some rules whether other races or creatures could - you likely didn't get beasts or "lesser" life forms getting ancient souls in the ancient times, nor would you now. IIRC it’s mentioned at Elpis that Creations that are properly in tune/harmonized with “nature”/the world will start to be granted souls by the lifestream. I can’t remember the exact phrasing. But Alpha could be considered a non ancient example.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 19:19
|
|
|
It's important to keep in mind that going out into space is one thing. But the Reflections are effectively a different dimension, not just another world.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 20:03
|
|
|
BlazetheInferno posted:It's important to keep in mind that going out into space is one thing. Yeah that gets fuzzy for me. Dragon world was a space flight away while the moon, also in space, has a version in each shard, so space and dimension are interesting TheWorldsaStage fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jan 31, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 20:09
|
|
|
It’s a localized space-time distortion. Probably doesn’t extend much further past the moon (which also needed to be sundered/was created after the sundering to imprison Zodiark’s shards. The real head scratcher is what would happen if a space traveler from one of the reflections tried to leave Hydaelyn and visit another star. My assumption is they either can’t go far past the star before basically falling into the interdimensional rift or would be basically dimensionally out of synch and find nothing, despite stars being visible in the night sky.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 20:16
|
|
|
Galaga Galaxian posted:IIRC it’s mentioned at Elpis that Creations that are properly in tune/harmonized with “nature”/the world will start to be granted souls by the lifestream. I can’t remember the exact phrasing. But Alpha could be considered a non ancient example. Yeah, they bring it up in Elpis and the short story with Phoinix I believe. I was mostly interested in if all souls were equal, and could be reborn in any life form, or if there were tiers similar to Elder Scrolls. In the former, Emet-Selch's soul might be reborn into a mouse or insect, but in the latter he'd be restricted to, say, the spoken races.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 20:22
|
|
|
I imagine every planet with aether-based life has its own lifestream just like it has its own gravity well. When Midgardsormr crossed deep space he transported, in the form of himself and his clutch of eggs, a pool of aether from the Dragonstar to Etheirys.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 20:58
|
|
|
Huh, with the soul Chat, it is always assumed that the WoL is Source + 7 rejoined worlds + Ardbert = 9/14 while other Source folk are 8/14. However, that kind of assumes that when the 7th Rejoining happened, the soul fragment of the 7th Shard that got absorbed homed in on the WoL (And every other person in Eorzea) and immediately fused. Wouldn't it be more realistic that all those soul fragments just chill in the lifestream, and when the WoL dies (or otherwise hangs out in the lifestream long enough to fuse) they get to to 'fuse' with their counterpart. (And of course, some souls are not recycled ancients and so might not fuse at all)
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:29
|
|
|
Not to mention depending on Legacy, your WoL might have been straight up gone during the 7th Calamity and not come back for 5 years. Unless the merging was ongoing during the first minute or so of Bahamut's attack
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:47
|
|
|
My dumb headcanon is that everyone got merged and due to being more complete now has a slightly longer natural lifespan, but because it's only been five years (plus an indefinite period of time) since then and they don't have the sort of recordkeeping that would let them detect subtle trends, nobody's noticed yet.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:50
|
|
|
Doesn't G'raha Tia have a denser soul than the other inhabitants of the Source, due to having lived through the alternate timeline eighth calamity? Or is that just another fan assumption?
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:51
|
|
|
No, he says the Lue Reeq (spelling? The Nu Mou that helps us with the soul crystals to get everyone back to the Source), being a "soul scientist" of sorts, comments on the density of his soul.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:52
|
|
|
Red Metal posted:Doesn't G'raha Tia have a denser soul than the other inhabitants of the Source, due to having lived through the alternate timeline eighth calamity? Or is that just another fan assumption? He says he has a denser soul but IIRC attributes it to being two catboys in one trenchcoat
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:54
|
|
|
Yeah, Elidibus notes it too.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:54
|
|
|
Orcs and Ostriches posted:Yeah, Elidibus notes it too. Via stabby probing.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 22:56
|
|
|
Cleretic posted:But that level of shitpost OC just isn't fun without the effort put in to express it, and I don't have the artistic talent for fanart nor the willingness to write a fanfic about it, so it remains a modestly fun thought experiment. Just use some third party tools. My Azem was Euryale, who hated every other Ancient except Venat and Hyth. She was a force of chaos everywhere she went but usually left other civilizations better than when she arrived. She invented spriggans. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 23:25
|
|
|
Oooh, yeah, if G'raha is confirmed to have a denser soul than most, that would confirm that as soon as a Rejoining happens, Source souls are 'strengthened' Now I also wonder, would this happen to everyone, or only the people whose soul are 'Legacy, pre-Sundering ones' or if any souls that were formed afterwards (assuming there are any) also just become 'denser' just because the Source as a whole has 'denser' Aether.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 23:33
|
|
|
Shogeton posted:Oooh, yeah, if G'raha is confirmed to have a denser soul than most, that would confirm that as soon as a Rejoining happens, Source souls are 'strengthened' Some interview is floating around that all source souls are becoming denser after each rejoining, not just the ancient ones.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2023 23:44
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:He says he has a denser soul but IIRC attributes it to being two catboys in one trenchcoat Specifically he says Y’shtola recognized it and wonders if it’s because he lived through the Eighth Umbral Calamity or because he’s two catboys in a trenchcoat: G’raha Tia posted:As for my soul, Y'shtola assures me it is similar to yours, [WoL]. That is to say it is somewhat denser than others, but otherwise normal. So uh. You decide!
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:01
|
|
|
Ooh, right, so when a Rejoining happens, it's more a case of. The whole Source just got a lot thicker with Aether, not just in the Lifestream but all over the Source. Presumably, if you have a pre-Sundered recycled soul, it seeks to merge with the counterpart, and if you have a post-Sunered soul, Aether might just fill it up to make your soul proper density. Alternatively, when a Shard gets Rejoined, it's just pulped, souls and all, and driven into the Source as Aether without any kind of 'signature' and all Source Souls just 'thicken' by taking form that soup. So, the question would be whether during the 7th Calamity, the WoL's soul fused with the 7th Shard's Azem soul shard, or whether the 7th Azem soul shard was just blended into '7th Shard Slurry' and is irretrievable and just thickened the WoL's soul. Clearly, Emet still very much recognizes our soul as Azem, but might be that 'Post Sundering Slurry' Aether can just be added to a soul without 'dilluting' the essence. (Unlike how souls blend in the 13th where the Souls aren't just discreet, but still very active with all memories stil lattached)
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:16
|
|
|
But before that, back on the First, Elidibus tries to stab him and says "though you lack her blessing, your soul is surprisingly dense." He had it before merging.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:18
|
|
|
Yeah, so that suggests that, while G'raha was sitting in the tower, and the 8th Calamity happened and the 1st rejoined, he got the boost
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:37
|
|
|
Luigi Thirty posted:Just use some third party tools. I think there's a quest where you meet the person who invented Spriggans.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:40
|
|
|
Blueberry Pancakes posted:I think there's a quest where you meet the person who invented Spriggans. The person in Elpis must be confused
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:47
|
|
|
So when Crystal Exarch G'raha (who should be at 8/14ths due to the Calamity he lived thorugh) gets merged with Scion G'raha (who is 7/14s), it seems like the 1/14th that was unique got grafted to Scion G'raha, but where did the duplicate 7/14ths go?
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 00:56
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:So when Crystal Exarch G'raha (who should be at 8/14ths due to the Calamity he lived thorugh) gets merged with Scion G'raha (who is 7/14s), it seems like the 1/14th that was unique got grafted to Scion G'raha, but where did the duplicate 7/14ths go? They went toward reinforcing him against the impossible explosion of emotion from getting to be pals with us again
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 01:11
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:So when Crystal Exarch G'raha (who should be at 8/14ths due to the Calamity he lived thorugh) gets merged with Scion G'raha (who is 7/14s), it seems like the 1/14th that was unique got grafted to Scion G'raha, but where did the duplicate 7/14ths go? Most of his aether is probably not contained within his soul or memory, it's in his bodily aether as well, and that got left behind on the First with his crystalized body.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 02:16
|
|
|
Luigi Thirty posted:Just use some third party tools.  Apollo was very pretty :3
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 02:23
|
|
|
Realizing there's a startling lack of glowing/brightly colored eyes for player races in this game (limnal rings don't count)
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 03:50
|
|
|
Oh my god TOP's phase 6 transition is perfect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izkLMEr13g
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 06:05
|
|
|
Mordiceius posted:So when Crystal Exarch G'raha (who should be at 8/14ths due to the Calamity he lived thorugh) gets merged with Scion G'raha (who is 7/14s), it seems like the 1/14th that was unique got grafted to Scion G'raha, but where did the duplicate 7/14ths go? quote:At any rate, when our souls combined, it shouldn't have been a process of augmentation, but rather...shall we say, attunement. It seems somewhat strange that my soul has become denser. My interpretation is that the original 7/14ths were "attuned" and that the 8th is from a rejoin ing, but the text is purposely vague so 
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 06:25
|
|
|
Pigbuster posted:Oh my god TOP's phase 6 transition is perfect That first line after the cutscene...
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 06:39
|
|
|
Blueberry Pancakes posted:I think there's a quest where you meet the person who invented Spriggans. Oh, is there? I'm saving the Elpis sidequests until I get more classes to 80. Well... my Azem helped.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 07:26
|
|
|
FuturePastNow posted:I imagine every planet with aether-based life has its own lifestream just like it has its own gravity well. When Midgardsormr crossed deep space he transported, in the form of himself and his clutch of eggs, a pool of aether from the Dragonstar to Etheirys. Doesn't Metion mention something about talking to the souls of the dead on some of the other planets? I figured lifestreams existed on other planets because of that
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 11:38
|
|
|
Macaluso posted:Doesn't Metion mention something about talking to the souls of the dead on some of the other planets? I figured lifestreams existed on other planets because of that I cannot remember where exactly it came up in Endwalker (maybe the fishing quests?), but I am pretty sure that there are not just planetary lifestreams, but a universal overarching lifestream bringing everything together, and that while souls will stay within their localized lifestream, if that is disrupted they can move throughout the cosmos and towards other ones. Meteion disrupts this by drawing all the souls of the dead and dying worlds into her nest at the edge of the universe, and with that egg now cracked open and flowing back outwards, I think it's assumed that this collection of aether-and-souls will spread back out into the cosmos once more, either to Etheirys or to unknown ones where life might be able to flourish again.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 11:46
|
|
|
Pigbuster posted:Oh my god TOP's phase 6 transition is perfect never trusted that guy
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 11:59
|
|
|
Remember that the Ultimates are canonically the Wandering Minstrel's fanfiction. Like, it's not even him embellishing a story we told him, it's literally just him making poo poo up for a fun what-if scenario. The gently caress does the Wandering Minstrel have against Alpha?
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 12:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 12, 2024 15:26 |
|
|
Pigbuster posted:Oh my god TOP's phase 6 transition is perfect They're pals now.  Cleretic posted:Remember that the Ultimates are canonically the Wandering Minstrel's fanfiction. Like, it's not even him embellishing a story we told him, it's literally just him making poo poo up for a fun what-if scenario. They did the fusion dance because they're buddies
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2023 12:53
|
|
