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Nenonen posted:"No references to the need to fight terrorism can be an argument for restricting human rights." Which ruined cityscape is that, for those of us that don't recognize it? Wow, that's a depressing question 
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EightBit posted:Which ruined cityscape is that, for those of us that don't recognize it? Probably Grozny. Edit: Grozny-schmozny, at least Putin isn't a stupid socialist Obongo lib!
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Aug 28, 2013 17:58
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~*JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING*~ http://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/putin-good-for-russia/ Intelligence Squared debate about Putin. Here, enjoy a debate about Putin with people who don't use image macros.
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Aug 28, 2013 18:21
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He's more or less a despot but even I'm willing to admit that compared to previous leadership he's helped bring Russia up from prior lows. But these people I meet fellating him never look at it through the lens of "he serves the needs of this specific region." I have a Czech acquaintance who thinks an autocrat would be great for American society, which is like, how do I even begin to outline everything wrong with that idea.
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Aug 28, 2013 18:33
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Nenonen posted:"No references to the need to fight terrorism can be an argument for restricting human rights." Let's put it in perspective, shall we? I mean, they were Muslims.
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Aug 28, 2013 18:37
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EightBit posted:Which ruined cityscape is that, for those of us that don't recognize it? Yeah, Groznyi. Actually after re-checking it this photo is from 1995 so it's not on Putin (he was at St. Pete administration at the time). Oops. But the point was that people who are scared of Obama's FEMA camps don't remember how Putin unleashed the army on Russian citizens and forced them to 'filtration' camps. The previous quote is something that Putin would never agree with. More photos from the same photographer here  . They're just eery. WARNING: there's a thumbnail of a dead body in the gallery Grozny, Chechnya, March 1995..Civilians living in an underground bunker drink tea outside with plastic flowers on the table. edit: while still speaking of Putin, I saw this in that photographer's collections:  
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Aug 28, 2013 19:06
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Thompsons posted:But these people I meet fellating him never look at it through the lens of "he serves the needs of this specific region." I have a Czech acquaintance who thinks an autocrat would be great for American society, which is like, how do I even begin to outline everything wrong with that idea. 
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Aug 28, 2013 19:09
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darthbob88 posted:Request for assistance, I'm currently stuck in an argument where the other guy's saying that all liberals approve of Obama's shenanigans unconditionally, because even after he screwed us on so many promises, we still reelected him. Any good answers other than "LOL nope" or the old standby "He isn't perfect, but I still prefer him to Mittbot"? You can say: "If you think voting for someone means uncritically supporting their policies, all you need to do is look at the last election's GOP battle for the presidential nomination to see how wrong that is. It was made abundantly clear by the actions and words of the GOP leadership and practically *every* GOP talking head that Romney was not the first, second, or even third choice for the nomination, if only for Romneycare in Massachusetts." "The 'anyone but Romney' train left the station early in the primaries, and didn't pull in again until practically every other potential nominee had embarrassed him or herself - Ron Paul, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich... Romney was basically the last choice, but Republicans voted for him because they preferred him to Obama." "If you think Democrats are different, and no one who voted for Obama had reservations about electing him, then you're an idiot and not worth discussing this with anymore." Walter fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 28, 2013 |
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Aug 28, 2013 21:59
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totalnewbie posted:~*JUST THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING*~ List of positive aspects of Putin: 1) Not Boris Yelstin 2) ...
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Aug 28, 2013 22:11
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800peepee51doodoo posted:List of positive aspects of Putin: He's done a decent job keeping the Nazis out, but that's the bare minimum you need to do to be a good Russian leader.
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Aug 28, 2013 22:15
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Zeitgueist posted:Absolutely this. What makes it hilarious is that most people in Russia know it's bullshit and even his own party has people making jokes about how he sounds like a little girl when he speaks and doesn't drink and is generally the opposite of the traditional Russian strong male he claims to be. It's literally just outside dudes who don't matter going "YEA HE RIDES A HORSE WITH NO SHIRT WHAT A
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Tatum Girlparts posted:and doesn't drink This I hear most people see as a good thing given the drinking problem in Russia and noted alcohol lover Boris Yeltsin.
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Amused to Death posted:This I hear most people see as a good thing given the drinking problem in Russia and noted alcohol lover Boris Yeltsin. Remember I'm talking about the macho posturing types he's trying to win over with those images. The average Russian likes a sober leader but Old Boris the dude who won't shut up in the bar wants his leader to be a vodka swilling motherfucker. But yea in fairness his Teetotalism is a positive to most Russians.
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Zeitgueist posted:Absolutely this. Isn't he also regarded as something of an effeminate sissy by russians? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere on the forums; apparently it has to do with the way he speaks russian.
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Aug 29, 2013 01:23
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andrew smash posted:Isn't he also regarded as something of an effeminate sissy by russians? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere on the forums; apparently it has to do with the way he speaks russian. What, does he speak Russian through his teeth with a dick in his mouth like George Peppard with a cigar?
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Aug 29, 2013 01:36
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Coffee And Pie posted:What, does he speak Russian through his teeth with a dick in his mouth like George Peppard with a cigar? I can't answer that because i don't speak russian. that's why i asked.
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I feel like this is an old one   The Letter posted:Give this teacher and true American a standing ovation. It's really an impressive amount of disingenuity. Doomsayer fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Aug 29, 2013 |
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Aug 29, 2013 05:36
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Doomsayer posted:I feel like this is an old one The attractive woman in the image of course has nothing to do with the fabricated chain letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-6qHFj7Wmc The video itself seems to have been copied onto multiple spammy youtube channels, each with their own requests for subscriptions.
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Aug 29, 2013 05:58
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Coffee And Pie posted:What, does he speak Russian through his teeth with a dick in his mouth like George Peppard with a cigar? Yes. He has, by Russian standards, a rather feminine voice, and the way he speaks Russian sometimes amplifies that. He speaks rather softly and tends to hiss some letters like s's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXhHqfMFLCI The sound quality isn't awesome but there you can get a decent comparison between him and the reporter/
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Aug 29, 2013 07:41
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800peepee51doodoo posted:List of positive aspects of Putin: Not Stalin, either.
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Doomsayer posted:
Hmm, yes... Treaty of Tripoli (1793), Article 11 posted:As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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Doomsayer posted:I feel like this is an old one I never really understood the point of posts like "check out this letter sent directly to xyz! Take that xyz!" Like, anyone can write a bitter letter and address it to some place of authority. It doesn't mean that A.) they actually sent it, or B.) the person they sent it to actually read it. I don't see what the point is, or what people get out of it. Also I don't understand how the right can use teachers as the subjects of these sweet Republican burns while simultaneously making GBS threads on that profession. Being a teacher is only ever considered a respectful position when said teacher is a right-wing conservative who "totally owns" some dumb, arrogant liberal.
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TinTower posted:Hmm, yes...
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Dirty Job posted:Also I don't understand how the right can use teachers as the subjects of these sweet Republican burns while simultaneously making GBS threads on that profession. Being a teacher is only ever considered a respectful position when said teacher is a right-wing conservative who "totally owns" some dumb, arrogant liberal. "Oh man, the libtards that read this are going to be totally taken aback when I say a teacher said this. Checkmate  "
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There are fast food workers protesting for a higher wage. The statuses of people I'm seeing today are atrocious. "They shouldn't make that much money, they'd make more than me!" "If they only WORKED HARDER they wouldn't be so poor!" "They should have went TO SCHOOL, LIKE I DID."
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Oh, speaking of that kind of poo poo. Something I remember hearing around here is that one of the strongest indicators of what your economic status as an adult will be is what your economic status as a kid was, but I've never had a good source to pull out during arguments. Anyone got one? I am absolute poo poo at finding sources for socioeconomic statistics.
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Ringo Star Get posted:There are fast food workers protesting for a higher wage. The statuses of people I'm seeing today are atrocious. I've been arguing with angry co-workers all day(Metro Detroit) about the strikes going on in Detroit. It's amazing how much contempt people have for their fellow man.
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I'll bring up the story again of a guy I played cards with in Vegas once. He went on and on about how Obama wanted to enslave white people or somesuch, but one thing he mentioned was that he had to have an operation on his back that put him out of work for a while. Because of the missed work, his bank almost foreclosed on him. He was against universal healthcare (He probably said "socialized medicine" or something to try to make it sound scarier.) because lazy Mexicans would get free treatments or something. The man almost lost his house because of healthcare, but would rather do that than provide healthcare to someone that isn't "deserving" enough. These are people who would gladly live in a box and poo poo in a coffee can, until the box next door gets a nicer can.
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I think it's less about that and more about their own personal situation. "Fast Food Job" is the go to cliché for a Bad Job and if you are that point you are either a teenager or have failed. So if fast food workers start earning more than people at "respectable" occupations due to their own industries slashing benefits and salaries what does that say about their life choices? The better solution would be for their wages to raise as well but many people have been convinced there is just no money to pay people and businesses are just scrapping by while turning off their brains to the stock market increases and huge executive pay and bonuses. Of course there are the people that are against a safety net because of old fashioned racism and THOSE types getting any benefit.
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My "favorite" status about it today: "In case it wasn't clear, fast-food workers, minimum wage jobs are a starting point, not a lofty life-long career goal. For the love of Pete!! (and a response:) Totally agree. Maybe people got confused when the stopped wearing paper hats." This is a person who, when I posted that McDonalds budget link a while back when it was making the rounds, shared it herself with the comment "good for them for teaching their employees financial responsibility, fast food jobs are supposed to suck LOL!" or some other nonsense. It just pisses me off, this attitude of "well lovely jobs like yours are only supposed to be stepping stones to something better so it's totally excusable to pay the people at the bottom of the ladder an unlivable wage because they're not going to be there for very long anyway." There is not enough room at the top of the ladder, people will always be at the bottom, it should not be socially acceptable to gently caress them!
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It's amazing how many of these people don't understand basic negotiating either. You start with a high offer, $15 an hour, and hopefully you will get $11 or $12 out of it.
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Ringo Star Get posted:"They shouldn't make that much money, they'd make more than me!" My sister was really hung up on this the last time they raised the minimum wage in Michigan. She was making something like $0.15 over the minimum wage and she was really upset that she'd be back at minimum wage since it was the first time in her life she's ever made more. It was pretty  , especially as you'd think that someone with a 12 year old daughter and a 7 year old son would like the extra money coming in, but the poor girl just couldn't think about it that way.edit: Ainsley McTree posted:It just pisses me off, this attitude of "well lovely jobs like yours are only supposed to be stepping stones to something better so it's totally excusable to pay the people at the bottom of the ladder an unlivable wage because they're not going to be there for very long anyway." There is not enough room at the top of the ladder, people will always be at the bottom, it should not be socially acceptable to gently caress them! I had a conversation about this recently with a buddy from back home. I had worked fast food here in France for 8 months before finding my current job and fast food jobs in France are way better than in the States as far as wages and workers rights go. He was offended that fast food workers here suffer less because he had this same bullshit idea. He kept saying "there are good jobs out there, they should be motivated to go find them!". This is coming from a guy my age (31) who makes $50k a year in a place where a decent apartment runs about $400 a month, still lives in his rich parents basement and hasn't had to look for a job since 1999. He got really mad when I had the audacity to suggest that he might be a just a bit out of touch. Soviet Commubot fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Aug 29, 2013 |
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CellBlock posted:I'll bring up the story again of a guy I played cards with in Vegas once. He went on and on about how Obama wanted to enslave white people or somesuch, but one thing he mentioned was that he had to have an operation on his back that put him out of work for a while. Because of the missed work, his bank almost foreclosed on him. He was against universal healthcare (He probably said "socialized medicine" or something to try to make it sound scarier.) because lazy Mexicans would get free treatments or something. I once talked with a friend and essentially got him to agree that overall, the cost of universal healthcare would be cheaper and more effective than the current capitalist system, but in spite of this he said "we still should keep the system we have because only those who work deserve it. The extra cost we pay is worth that incentive." Libertarian FYGM at it's best.
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I've said it before, but I've noticed that the conservative mind seems to view the world as a zero sum game. If someone else has something / can do something, that detracts from "your" opportunities. Gay people getting married ruin straight marriage. Lower income people getting paid more ruins your better salary. "Why can't I call black people 'niggers,' but Dr. Dre can use that word?" So, if someone else has something you don't have (even if you don't need it) you either want it for yourself or you want to deny them having it. Because if "they" have it and you don't, somehow that diminishes you. Once you understand that the conservative mindset is organized around selfishness, envy, and greed, you can pretty much parse everything these people believe, and the positions that they take.
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My wife works as a server at a well-known national restaurant chain. They pay her a wage of $2.38 an hour. I've seen it on her checks. It's unbelievable. Her last check has 0.05 hours at $7.25 and the rest at $2.38. Making servers rely on tips is mind-boggling. Also mind-boggling: people that don't tip (or don't tip well, like $5 on a $70+ check). But that's a different issue. Related to the discussion above, I have one guy (i've posted things he's said before) alternating between FYGM posts and "why should I care about Syria let them all die" posts.
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myron cope posted:My wife works as a server at a well-known national restaurant chain. They pay her a wage of $2.38 an hour. I've seen it on her checks. It's unbelievable. Her last check has 0.05 hours at $7.25 and the rest at $2.38. Making servers rely on tips is mind-boggling. Also mind-boggling: people that don't tip (or don't tip well, like $5 on a $70+ check). But that's a different issue. Any restaurant that does this should be burned to the ground and the wait staff should piss on the ashes. It is on its face so loving evil that anyone who advocates for it is equally as evil.
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myron cope posted:My wife works as a server at a well-known national restaurant chain. They pay her a wage of $2.38 an hour. I've seen it on her checks. It's unbelievable. Her last check has 0.05 hours at $7.25 and the rest at $2.38. Making servers rely on tips is mind-boggling. Also mind-boggling: people that don't tip (or don't tip well, like $5 on a $70+ check). But that's a different issue. Fun fact about working in restaurants: if you get any money on your paycheck, it means you had a bad week! Ideally you should be making enough in tips such that the taxes on those tips eat the wages you're owed.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Fun fact about working in restaurants: if you get any money on your paycheck, it means you had a bad week! Ideally you should be making enough in tips such that the taxes on those tips eat the wages you're owed. Her last paycheck was for $0, so I guess she wins? She does have money come out of the checks for insurance though. I always thought they paid half of minimum wage (which is still absurd) but $2.38 is certainly not half of minimum wage.
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myron cope posted:Her last paycheck was for $0, so I guess she wins? She does have money come out of the checks for insurance though. I always thought they paid half of minimum wage (which is still absurd) but $2.38 is certainly not half of minimum wage. She still comes out ahead considering the Federal minimum is $2.13 Foodservice is fun when you work hard and go home with cash in hand but I'd give it all up for a sensible wage structure. $2.13 is bullshit during bad shifts but then again, sometimes you can clear $25 an hour... The main thing is that the bulk of foodservice employees work at Denny's or some awful place with low tip averages, and they're the ones who need protection. If you get in the right spot and are young/competent enough to work it, foodservice is one of the best jobs you can get without a degree. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Aug 29, 2013 |
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seiferguy posted:I once talked with a friend and essentially got him to agree that overall, the cost of universal healthcare would be cheaper and more effective than the current capitalist system, but in spite of this he said "we still should keep the system we have because only those who work deserve it. The extra cost we pay is worth that incentive." You might be able to push a few steps forward by focusing on mental healthcare. Obviously, a mentally ill person is not going to behave as a rational actor, right? You don't really expect a person suffering from severe depression to motivate themselves into a good job that will pay for therapy when they're struggling to keep a gun out of their mouth, right? Besides, mental health issues affect everyone, rich and poor, and often without much warning. Did you know that schizophrenia usually manifests between the ages of 15 and 25, but sometimes as late as 40. Are you 100% sure that you'll be able to figure out that you're losing touch with reality before you lose your job?
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