Ghost Leviathan posted:

wait, what kind of products are thesse

Pick posted:

Stickers are adhesive images.

numberoneposter posted:

who the f*ck is g'kar?

Kitchner posted:

I always assumed its just the fact that prune juice is loving disgusting and so is Klingon food so naturally Worf would find it amazing.

Salty Josh posted:

Will they come in fake tattoos as well?

numberoneposter posted:

who the f*ck is g'kar?

Pick posted:

He's one of the main characters from parallel deep space station show Babylon 5. he owns and everyone loves him.

Ben Nerevarine posted:

Ben Nerevarine posted:

drilldo squirt posted:

It helps him take massive shits.

Pick posted:

I've done that before but a run is pretty expensive.

Rectal Death Adept posted:

The best thing to come out of Babylon 5 was when their spinoff, Crusade, had the space ship get hosed by a giant space faring alien.

They took that giant space perogi episode of TNG and 90s extreme'd it up.

Trast posted:

If I remember correctly how they described the alien was a big joke at obsessive fans expense.

Pick posted:

*throws up the double-bird* gently caress the Breen!

JediTalentAgent posted:

Would G'Kar find himself comfortable getting drunk and hanging out with a guy whose government was very recently doing the same things the Centauri had done to the Narn?

JediTalentAgent posted:

Would G'Kar find himself comfortable getting drunk and hanging out with a guy whose government was very recently doing the same things the Centauri had done to the Narn?

Rectal Death Adept posted:

I see they ripped my fanfic off



Spock gets turned into a dog in a transporter accident, also he is a detective now. He refuses treats from McCoy whenever he successfully solves a case though.

Zaphod42 posted:

hahahahaha what the gently caress

Pick posted:

I might write an effort post about this later, but this is particularly frustrating because it's such an amateurish way for the writers to handle a problem they had, and as a result it also doesn't really work.

It's also not unique to Dukat, it's a bigger issue. The perceived problem "Gul Dukat is 'basically space mussolini' but everyone likes him, often way more than the characters the audience is supposed to be cheering for" is in the same problem bucket as "Early DS9 Bashir's enthusiasm and immaturity comes across as annoying to the audience."

In both cases, the writers immediately jumped to change the character. That's not necessarily what you want to do, especially if the character is really compelling. Because "this character is too compelling" IS NOT A PROBLEM. There is no situation under which that is a problem!

The problem was that Dukat often came across as correct or so rad that the audience came around to his way of thinking, which the writers didn't want. Okay, I get that. But the right way to address that problem--which is the actual problem, that 'basically space mussolini' is bringing the audience over to his side, not "we accidentally made a good character"--is to put Dukat in situations where he, personally, can continue to be awesome and super compelling, but that his values and approach don't work. Write episodes that show the strength of how the protagonists approach conflict as opposed to Dukat as an antagonist.

You don't make him a satan ghost. Not only is that stupid, it sort of... has nothing to do with the problem they had? It's really that they killed off Dukat, and then substituted a new character in his place who does stupid ghost poo poo. Ultimately, it doesn't have any power on that character retroactively (which, among other things, you shouldn't strive for--you wrote what you wrote). Also, at least to me, it makes me even more sympathetic to Dukat because it's so obvious he was narratively railroaded.

That's also what they did with Bashir, and it sucks. I guess him being enthusiastic and naive (and a sex pest) wasn't working, so they thought, huh, what if he's secretly a totally different character than that? And how can we try to make that apply retroactively when it clearly doesn't? They whip out the "genetically enhanced human" subplot and it's just... complete poo poo. It's garbage, and also introduces an even worse character problem than they had before! Instead, just put him into a "Siege at AR 558" episode and use that to tone him down a little or something. Adjust him, don't body-snatchers-style replace him.

It does't work because it comes off as too obviously desperate and wannabe manipulative. As a result, I think almost everyone does what you do: say to him or herself that certain periods or instances "don't count". The writers think that everyone who watches Trek is a total canon slave, but very few people really are. And if they were, wheeeew, would they really like Star Trek properties? Because every single series has periodically written some episodes that are so flagrantly bad that your audience handing you a mulligan and pretending they never happened is the best course for everyone.

Jim Barris posted:

yeah ds9 does kind of fall flat on its face there at the end

Pick posted:

we didnt even get to see damar and weyoun gently caress it out. what is this poo poo

Jim Barris posted:

Ezri Dax is such a terrible misstep. It so directly contradicts everything you've ever been told about Trills. They start devoting major plot time to a 60's vegas lounge singer. The paw-wraiths. Jesus christ, the paw-wraiths. The only thing I like is the episode where they bad news bears the vulcans in a holo-deck baseball game.

Pick posted:

I'm going to and say powerfully that DS9's biggest weakness is Sisko, a terrible loving character performed by an actor who couldn't find his acting rear end with his own acting hands.

Pick posted:

I'm going to and say powerfully that DS9's biggest weakness is Sisko, a terrible loving character performed by an actor who couldn't find his acting rear end with his own acting hands.

Pick posted:

No he's just loving wooden and bad. He delivers lines like a local weatherman.

PostNouveau posted:

you're this thread's biggest weakness

Ben Nerevarine posted:

You're thinking of Jadzia