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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:All dualsports have this now. BMW GS have had for years. No clue why. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. https://www.google.no/search?q=adventure+motorcycle+beak&tbm=isch The beak started out as the regular high mounted fender on dirtbikes.  Then, like the peacock or the narwhal or whatever, evolution just went loving nuts. 
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Slavvy posted:Really? Cause everyone I've spoken to IRL who has had contact with them, as well as people on this very forum, have said that they're extremely poorly put together and not very robust at all beyond the big heavy chunks of steel aspect. Their primary market is the rural poor of India - pick a random home-market RE and it'll have done more miles offroad within a year (and carrying more weight) than 50 random GSAs will in their lifetime. They'll be held together by twine, mud, and a small idol of Ganesh by the end of that year but they'll keep loving going. Think of it like the AK47 of the bike world - ugly, cheap, put together badly, but basically indestructible in the hands of anyone with even the vaguest mechanical sense and most rudimentary of tools.
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May 12, 2016 14:35
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It's like an Indian KLR. but cool. I like it.
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May 12, 2016 15:23
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:All dualsports have this now. BMW GS have had for years. No clue why. Not all dual sports have them. WR250R: 
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May 12, 2016 16:19
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predictive posted:It's like an Indian KLR. but cool. So the KLH
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May 12, 2016 16:30
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Ola posted:Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. https://www.google.no/search?q=adventure+motorcycle+beak&tbm=isch Until eventually, like the human appendix:  it shrivels away to nothing.
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May 12, 2016 17:02
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Day Man posted:Not all dual sports have them. thats a plated dirt bike in comparison to a gelande strasse, not quite the same really
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May 12, 2016 17:37
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Slavvy posted:Really? Cause everyone I've spoken to IRL who has had contact with them, as well as people on this very forum, have said that they're extremely poorly put together and not very robust at all beyond the big heavy chunks of steel aspect. It's a different kind of 'sturdy'. The kind that means your speedo might not work, or the electric ignition, or the indicators and things will fall off all the time but nothing that will necessarily stop the bike from moving you and your 200kg of cargo from point A to point B. Even if you crack the frame a little old man on the side of the road will reinforce it with a bit of rebar using a stick welder made of ganged truck batteries and a welding mask made of cardboard. It's the Indian C90.
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May 12, 2016 17:44
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Let's have a quick quiz. Tonight on my way home I saw someone dressed in t-shirt, shorts and trainers, doing >60 in a 30 zone, jumping a red light and then trying (and failing) to pop a wheelie as he filtered between a car and stopped traffic. What motorcycle was he on? No points just for the brand, that much would be far too obvious.
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May 12, 2016 19:18
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Jixxa, obv
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May 12, 2016 19:23
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Let's have a quick quiz. Tonight on my way home I saw someone dressed in t-shirt, shorts and trainers, doing >60 in a 30 zone, jumping a red light and then trying (and failing) to pop a wheelie as he filtered between a car and stopped traffic. Trick question. Yamaha YZF450R quad.
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May 12, 2016 19:28
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Their primary market is the rural poor of India - pick a random home-market RE and it'll have done more miles offroad within a year (and carrying more weight) than 50 random GSAs will in their lifetime. They'll be held together by twine, mud, and a small idol of Ganesh by the end of that year but they'll keep loving going. Think of it like the AK47 of the bike world - ugly, cheap, put together badly, but basically indestructible in the hands of anyone with even the vaguest mechanical sense and most rudimentary of tools.
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May 12, 2016 19:31
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 I passed my BRC! I also felt like I got a ton out of the class. For having gone into the class as a full  , I left feeling like I had a lot greater appreciation for motorcycling and with a much more solid skill foundation. A few thoughts from the process: 1) Holy hell - people buy some crazy rear end bikes for their first motorcycles. This ranged from a tame Ninja 300 (owned by a girl who had crashed 2 previous 600cc sportsbikes without ever having taken the class) to a BMW K1300R. About half the class had 600cc race spec bikes, and would complain about how hard it was to ride the TU250X and/or GROM because the lack of power. One guy had a Daytona 675. The instructor point blank told him not to ride it until he had more miles on a smaller learning bike. I hope that got through to him. 2) After having been terrified and working myself up into a tizzy over it, the box was not that bad. Just turn your head! Then yell at yourself to turn your head more. 3) Offset cones are soooooo fun! 4) My bike only had... what, 14 horsepower? DR200. Holy poo poo, the Bonneville is going to feel like going plaid.
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May 12, 2016 19:31
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clutchpuck posted:Jixxa, obv Yep, you get half a point, but for the full points you need to give me the cc.
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May 12, 2016 19:43
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yep, you get half a point, but for the full points you need to give me the cc. 750?
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Linedance posted:750? Ding. I swear the 750 is only made for the fuckwits now, there can't be any other possible market.
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May 12, 2016 19:47
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Slavvy posted:Really? Cause everyone I've spoken to IRL who has had contact with them, as well as people on this very forum, have said that they're extremely poorly put together and not very robust at all beyond the big heavy chunks of steel aspect. Bikes so resilient, the foot pegs break off in their own promotional video. 
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May 12, 2016 19:53
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Slim Pickens posted:Bikes so resilient, the foot pegs break off in their own promotional video. Hahaha!
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May 12, 2016 20:04
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Ola posted:Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. https://www.google.no/search?q=adventure+motorcycle+beak&tbm=isch I always thought the idea was you'd ride around like that on road trips but if you were doing some serious adventure you unbolt the lower one? Is that not the intended use? Cause if it's meant to be permanent it's the DUMBEST loving THING OF ALL TIME. Slim Pickens posted:Bikes so resilient, the foot pegs break off in their own promotional video. Needless to say I remain unconvinced. I understand that the peasants love them and they can be bodgineered easily but I'm pretty sure something like a KLR or DR650 would do even better in that situation.
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May 12, 2016 20:13
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Honda Japan just announced a fuckin RACE GROM
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May 12, 2016 20:33
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Supradog posted:Hm, I really like this bike. Been looking at this too for my first 'real' bike once i pass my DAS, i mean it would be a step up from my Chinese 125 supermoto.
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May 12, 2016 20:52
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The low fender is so rocks don't kick into your radiator. See the 950/990 supermoto for an example of doing it right.
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May 12, 2016 22:12
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Z3n posted:The low fender is so rocks don't kick into your radiator. See the 950/990 supermoto for an example of doing it right. ya no poo poo, the useless top one mixed with a useful bottom one is the issue
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May 12, 2016 22:21
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Z3n posted:The low fender is so rocks don't kick into your radiator. That's the point of any fender on any bike, including mud and water spray of course. The high fender of auld tymes is just because they took the regular fender and mounted it high for some reason, perhaps worrying about getting something stuck there. There is no point of a high fender or a beak, it's all image - a ridiculous image. Case in point:  Huge beak with zero purpose, tiny fender with tiny effect. It seems to protect the underside of the beak somewhat, but not the radiator.
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May 12, 2016 22:39
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You don't want your hugger to get all jammed with mud, thereby damaging it or locking the front wheel.
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clutchpuck posted:You don't want your hugger to get all jammed with mud, thereby damaging it or locking the front wheel. And yet    Now, the two last ones have foregone the beak, to their credit. But apparently they don't consider getting stuff jammed in there a problem. Now, if there's one bike you can trust to keep it real... 
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clutchpuck posted:You don't want your hugger to get all jammed with mud, thereby damaging it or locking the front wheel. An excellent point, and the solution is to not loving have one and have a beak instead. Having both is retarded and stupid in the extreme, it's like those alloy nudgebars on SUV's or a spoiler on top of another spoiler or something. It fundamentally does not make sense to have both - either you have a normal guard and everything is great, or you have a beak because you plan on getting super muddy and a normal guard would get clogged and destroyed.
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May 13, 2016 00:33
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gently caress the beak haters
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Razzled posted:gently caress the beak haters Nobody hates the beak. That guard is fine and perfect for what it's for. We're saying it would be stupid if it had another guard flush against the wheel underneath it.
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The Drz front fender is actually really functional and owns and I get IRL  when people chop them to make "shawty" fenders
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Dakar bikes switch from high to low and back depending on conditions.  clutchpuck posted:You don't want your hugger to get all jammed with mud, thereby damaging it or locking the front wheel. And this is why. 
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Slavvy posted:I always thought the idea was you'd ride around like that on road trips but if you were doing some serious adventure you unbolt the lower one? Is that not the intended use? Cause if it's meant to be permanent it's the DUMBEST loving THING OF ALL TIME. FWIW I've broken footpegs off a KLR. Its quite common. Weight that of a small star and jump one. also fuuuuuuck low fenders. keep it on the triples or not at all. loving muddy caking gently caress you argh!
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Razzled posted:gently caress the beak haters That's not a beak, that's a sensible high fender. Just like the KLR!
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May 13, 2016 06:18
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Razzled posted:gently caress the beak haters that dude must be tiny
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May 13, 2016 06:26
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A MIRACLE posted:that dude must be tiny He's probably 6'1" 165.
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Chichevache posted:He's probably 6'1" 165. my votes 5'8-510 and 140-160.
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Slavvy posted:Nobody hates the beak. That guard is fine and perfect for what it's for. We're saying it would be stupid if That's my beef anyhow. If the Enfield that started this conversation had two functioning fenders I wouldn't have a problem with it, because you could reasonably remove the hugger to do dirt riding and not get your everything caked in mud.
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In a related vein, how do people ride dirtbikes on the road with knobby tyres still on them? I rode an RMZ250 with knobbies the other day; cornering was loving terrifying and it would light up the rear wheel if you accelerated too hard in first. Felt like a normal bike with completely flat tyres.
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cursedshitbox posted:my votes 5'8-510 and 140-160. He's flat footing a drz. It's a Super moto with 17 inchers, but he still has room to spare. That's got to be a 33" inseam.
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Right foot is on the peg, I can flat foot a drz with my right foot on the peg no problem and my inseam is 30 inches. And the high beak on the 950 supermoto is to stop mud and water spray from getting in your face. The low one takes care of most of the poo poo that'd hit the radiator. The beaks do actually have a purpose, but the modern road going environment does not demand such extreme adaptations anymore. Z3n fucked around with this message at 08:17 on May 13, 2016 |
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