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I'm a sovereign citizen and I'm Rome. The Queen claims descent from Cerdic, 6th century king of Wessex, who claimed descent from Wotan.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 11:30 |
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Looking to spice up your bedroom? How bout a swan going to town on a lady?
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 16:09 |
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that swan fucks
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 16:30 |
I always thought the swan would be larger
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 16:39 |
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Da Vinci (IIRC) painted a version where the swan is fuckin huge
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:01 |
Like I've seen swans IRL and that swan is dinky Maybe there's something going on with that edit: seriously google image search "swan attack" those things are huge Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:09 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Was there any panic or anticipation about the world ending when Constantinople fell to the Turks? Even though the Byzantine Empire had basically become a rump state that was an Ottoman vassal by that point, I think the fall of the city was still seen in near apocalyptic terms in Latin Christendom.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:10 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Like I've seen swans IRL and that swan is dinky
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:16 |
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Elyv posted:Even though the Byzantine Empire had basically become a rump state that was an Ottoman vassal by that point, I think the fall of the city was still seen in near apocalyptic terms in Latin Christendom. Certainly pissed off the Italian merchants, who lost those sweet trade routes.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:29 |
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sullat posted:Certainly pissed off the Italian merchants, who lost those sweet trade routes. They probably should have thought of that hundreds of years earlier!
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:34 |
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Wasn't there a whole deal with the Roman empire where the bulk of the population in outlying territories had a fair amount of local identity and it's only the ruling aristocracy that would end up carping about how Roman they were or could be? Which starts making the fall of Rome seem less bad because ultimately a loss of administrative power for these nobles who can't even be bothered to protect the people who they basically own who work for their benefit just meant that now the localities could try shopping around for better defenders directly and their allegiance could finally do some good for them. It was even worse with Constantine's immortal city that would persevere and patiently wait while the rest of the empire was overrun so they could re-extend their control after the heat went down like cancer in remission. OctaviusBeaver posted:Was there any panic or anticipation about the world ending when Constantinople fell to the Turks? I've heard it was one of the driving forces for countries to start trying for overseas trading routes because then the muslims had total control over the silk road with no major christian state to bully them. cheetah7071 posted:"What is the modern Rome" is an active field of theological debate among Muslims because Rome is present in the endtime prophecies. Leading theories are Turkey and Russia Huh, so like weird Christian sects are about Israel.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:41 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:Wasn't there a whole deal with the Roman empire where the bulk of the population in outlying territories had a fair amount of local identity and it's only the ruling aristocracy that would end up carping about how Roman they were or could be? After finishing the history of Rome, I was left under the impression that it was really hard for Romans to recruit troops in the west since able bodied men would be hid from recruiters. You can't fight a war with no armies. I'm not sure how much of a factor that played, but i'm sure it did not help.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 17:47 |
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Rome fell because they stopped loving swans.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 18:44 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I always thought the swan would be larger Never meet your heroes in real life. They always disappoint.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 18:53 |
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Elyv posted:Even though the Byzantine Empire had basically become a rump state that was an Ottoman vassal by that point, I think the fall of the city was still seen in near apocalyptic terms in Latin Christendom. I should have clarified, I was thinking more about the reaction in the Islamic world. I could be wrong but I thought that in Islam the fall of the Roman empire was supposed to be a sign of the end times.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 19:06 |
FreudianSlippers posted:Rome fell because they stopped loving swans. I believe this is essentially Gibbon's argument
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 19:21 |
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The prophecies require Rome to not only exist but to thrive. There's dozens of signs of the coming end times but two of them are "Rome controls a majority of the human population" and "Rome and Muslims fight first a joint war against a common enemy, and then a war against each other". The Roman empire might have caused a crisis of faith in some muslims maybe but it'd take some seriously sideways thinking to see it as a portent of the end times. I'm sure some people tried though; a bunch of the signs are just generic moral degradation that you could read into any time period if you wanted to. All this from the wikipedia entry I'm not an expert on the subject
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 19:23 |
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I'm sure tons of people made the connection that Rome became a middle eastern empire not to long after that started worshipping a middle eastern god, instead of Jupiter like their conquering ancestors did
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 19:24 |
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The belief that there would be a climactic battle with the Roman successor was also important to the Islamic State’s political philosophy and strategy. The battle was supposed to occur at a specific location in Syria which the Islamic state put a lot of effort into conquering and controlling. Like literally they had entire offensives designed around facilitating coming of the end times.
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 19:34 |
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Is it possible that "End Times" is either a mistranslation, or does not mean what we think it means?
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 20:11 |
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Dalael posted:Is it possible that "End Times" is either a mistranslation, or does not mean what we think it means? No, unless there's been a thousand year conspiracy to hide a different original work.
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Squalid posted:The belief that there would be a climactic battle with the Roman successor was also important to the Islamic State’s political philosophy and strategy. The battle was supposed to occur at a specific location in Syria which the Islamic state put a lot of effort into conquering and controlling. Like literally they had entire offensives designed around facilitating coming of the end times. I can't find the original source but I could have sworn I saw it somewhere that the fall of Constantinople/Rome was a sign. I have no idea if it's reliable but this site lists both "The Romans increase in number" and "Constantinople falls" as signs of the end of the world which seem contradictory but I guess that's prophecy for ya. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/78329/the-lesser-and-greater-signs-of-the-day-of-resurrection There's a bunch of other fun ones: -The Euphrates will uncover a mountain of gold. -Large numbers of women. -Shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings -The prevalence of musical instruments
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# ? Nov 20, 2018 20:25 |
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Squalid posted:The belief that there would be a climactic battle with the Roman successor was also important to the Islamic State’s political philosophy and strategy. The battle was supposed to occur at a specific location in Syria which the Islamic state put a lot of effort into conquering and controlling. Like literally they had entire offensives designed around facilitating coming of the end times. i mean if you let the russians be Rome because of religion and let the russian puppets in syria be equal to real russians...
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 03:31 |
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Don Gato posted:They still need to grab a few more provinces in North Africa before they can form Rome imo Spain has some ?? Is that enough?
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 03:45 |
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euphronius posted:Spain has some ?? Is that enough? Tunisia is too un-subjugated.
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 04:42 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:Tunisia is too un-subjugated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 04:44 |
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skasion posted:Da Vinci (IIRC) painted a version where the swan is fuckin huge I'm imagining a Dali version where the swan is the size of a house
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 05:55 |
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FAUXTON posted:I'm imagining a Dali version where the swan is
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 06:36 |
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Dalael posted:After finishing the history of Rome, I was left under the impression that it was really hard for Romans to recruit troops in the west since able bodied men would be hid from recruiters. You can't fight a war with no armies. I'm not sure how much of a factor that played, but i'm sure it did not help. In general the consolidation of large estates and the resulting decline of an independent peasantry was a problem for both the western and eastern halves of the empire, but it was only an existential threat for the former, which was much less urbanized than the east and dominated by a small number of highly self-interested elites. It's a complicated dynamic. In broad strokes the late Roman state and army was enormous and expensive. This requires taxation; established and well connected landowners can pay or shirk the burden; the state is forced to squeeze the free peasants; this drives many to sell themselves, literally or figuratively, to patrons who can protect them; etc, etc
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 06:50 |
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underage at the vape shop posted:i mean if you let the russians be Rome because of religion and let the russian puppets in syria be equal to real russians... Found a quote with more detail: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/ quote:The Islamic State has attached great importance to the Syrian city of Dabiq, near Aleppo. It named its propaganda magazine after the town, and celebrated madly when (at great cost) it conquered Dabiq’s strategically unimportant plains. It is here, the Prophet reportedly said, that the armies of Rome will set up their camp. The armies of Islam will meet them, and Dabiq will be Rome’s Waterloo or its Antietam. Eschatological narratives have always been important to modern Salafi jihadism. For example survivors of the 1979 seizure of the Grand Mosque described how the entire operation was predicated on the assumption that the Mahdi had returned and divine intervention would overthrow their enemies and initiative the end times.
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 07:09 |
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Still not enough. The formation requirements are quite clear.
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 07:21 |
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listen sir I have been to the Dali museum in St Petersburg and I ain't seen any swans loving houses there. (fyi if anyone ends up in the area you should visit the dali museum, it's great)
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 11:42 |
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Foosball is legal in The Islamic State but only if the tiny plastic players are decapitated because otherwise it's idolatry.
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 13:06 |
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underage at the vape shop posted:I'm very late to this but I'm so jealous that you guys got taught anything about history. I did a little bit of Japanese history in like grade 4 and even then it was like WOW SAMURAI SO COOL WOW DISNEYLAND WOW THEY SLEEP IN BOXES??? Apart from that we learned that the turks are all evil, evil cunts for shooting the anzacs and the anzacs are super cool and good for being stubborn and running up cliffs into machine guns for our British overlods. We didn't even learn about the loving pacific in WW2 or about our participation in Vietnam or gently caress all about how Captain Cook came here and shot some Aboriginals who were just trying to be nice or that we were still using them as slaves and taking their kids in places up to the 1970s. Captain Cook is portrayed as a cool dude. Hi I'm a kiwi. We were certainly taught that the Anzacs were cool and good and heroic, but also that we got our asses kicked. I don't remember any demonisation of the Turks though, from what I recall they were pretty matter of fact that they were just the guys on the other side and that war is pretty tragic for everyone involved. That might depend a bit on where you go to school and the personal politics/prejudices of your teacher though. Also pretty surprised that you guys can't take arts classes in high school and get still get into uni. Like, don't you guys have BAs over there? Here grades are grades, you can do whatever papers you like and as long as you pass enough you can go study whatever you like at uni. Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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Grumio posted:Looking to spice up your bedroom? lol I love how the lady looks like she's shocked to be uncovered after 2000 years and is all "UH, ITS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE."
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 19:51 |
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FAUXTON posted:listen sir I have been to the Dali museum in St Petersburg and I ain't seen any swans loving houses there.
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# ? Nov 21, 2018 20:50 |
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Wafflecopper posted:Hi I'm a kiwi. Another kiwi chiming in to say my history teacher would be a hundred if he was alive today and taught the lead up to WWII substituting terms like "wog", " kraut" and "dago" for the appropriate nationalities and I don't recall him ever demonizing Turks.
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# ? Nov 22, 2018 05:08 |
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Wafflecopper posted:Hi I'm a kiwi. Vaginal Vagrant posted:Another kiwi chiming in to say my history teacher would be a hundred if he was alive today and taught the lead up to WWII substituting terms like "wog", " kraut" and "dago" for the appropriate nationalities and I don't recall him ever demonizing Turks. You could do the history classes in year 11 and 12 if you want to study history at Uni I guess. But uni classes here atleast require you to have done the highschool classes or take really bad makeup classes and without getting into it, your choice of class is more of a """choice""". Basically, if you were a smart kid and wanted to go to uni, you don't have any free space to fill with history classes. If you aren't interested in academic stuff, you will have free space, but you probably won't be interested in filling that with a history class. Particularly because we spend more time learning about bushfires from the last decade than all of human history. The anzac focus is all nationalistic cultural-identity-larikinism-fairgo bullshit too. We just barely hear about the horrors of WW1. And when they touch on it they jump straight to simpson and his donkey and how good and Australian he was. Basically there's a generations worth of kids whose history education is entirely from the free age of empires disc they got in their nutra grain in 2002. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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Squalid posted:Besides their religion many Russian intermarried with coastal natives, with an especially large effect on the Aleut. They also dumped foxes all over the islands after killing all the Steller's Sea cows, which proceeded to wreck havoc on the seabirds. They also brought about an interesting creole language that might or might not still exist (350 speakers as of 2010): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medny_Aleut_language SerialKilldeer fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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The Roman Empire was actually just a thought experiment to demonstrate the Ship of Theseus.
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