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Not to mention he's had 20 years to get to know the douchebag since. Edit: I realize I'm wrong but I choose to be wrong because it's so much better that way.
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I definitely think Oda gave such a good showing to Crocodile at Marineford so people wouldn't think he was weak anymore but they still do a lot of the time. There's probably no concrete reason to think Crocodile has busoshoku haki but it's hard to believe a shichibukai wouldn't if every vice admiral has it. Meanwhile he made Moria look like poo poo.
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Oct 30, 2018 17:02
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U-DO Burger posted:i like to think crocodile made it to the new world, said "gently caress that" to haki and, instead of training himself further, just decided to join the seven warlords so he could find a superweapon and blow up anyone who mentions haki to him again Actually, that'd make a LOT of sense... especially given Moria was basically up to something similar, with his superweapon being Oars and his zombie army. Probably hoping he can kill and/or steal the shadows of more powerful people and create MORE super-zombies as he goes. He may or may not have been explicit about that, I forget.
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Oct 30, 2018 17:17
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my parents boyfriend posted:I definitely think Oda gave such a good showing to Crocodile at Marineford so people wouldn't think he was weak anymore but they still do a lot of the time. There's probably no concrete reason to think Crocodile has busoshoku haki but it's hard to believe a shichibukai wouldn't if every vice admiral has it. Meanwhile he made Moria look like poo poo. I am almost certain Crocodile knows Haki. It never would have come up back in Alabasta as he did not need it to hurt Luffy. He is also one of the best Logia users, having trained his body to come apart on impact to avoid surprise attacks and potential fatal blows. (The only time this does not work is if he is hit by water first, but Crocodile can largely get around his Water Weakness anyway.)
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Oct 30, 2018 17:55
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Does a logia user have to consciously transform at risk areas to avoid damage or are they in a dual state at all times such that something that wouldn't harm their element doesn't harm them unless haki is involved
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Oct 30, 2018 19:42
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Does a logia user have to consciously transform at risk areas to avoid damage or are they in a dual state at all times such that something that wouldn't harm their element doesn't harm them unless haki is involved
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Oct 30, 2018 19:44
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Manatee Cannon posted:will say that I like the explanation oda gives of most logia types coasting on their fruit power before getting rocked in the new world where haki is so common There's such a massive world in One Piece and Oda's always had the foresight to show that things are ALWAYS going on around the world even if Luffy and his allies aren't directly involved, like Weevil hunting down Whitebeard's armada and the other Supernovas all aligning with Warlords Snazzy Frocks posted:Does a logia user have to consciously transform at risk areas to avoid damage or are they in a dual state at all times such that something that wouldn't harm their element doesn't harm them unless haki is involved
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Oct 30, 2018 19:47
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Does a logia user have to consciously transform at risk areas to avoid damage or are they in a dual state at all times such that something that wouldn't harm their element doesn't harm them unless haki is involved Both. A logia can transform themselves into a duel state where they can't be harmed except for elemental Weaknesses and Haki. But they have to actively shift their body into this state, so if caught off guard before they turn this on, they can be hit. In the New World were Haki is more common, Logia's have to actively shift parts of their body out of the way of attacks to avoid them. Rather then rely on a passive defense. Crocodile trained his body up, so that it would break apart on impact making him immune to sneak attacks and most haki blows, unless they were fast enough. Enel was more of a coaster, relying on transforming his body into lightning to make himself passively immune to attacks, and his future vision to make himself immune to sneak attacks. Haki or his Rubber weakness coming into the picture would no doubt result in him getting his rear end kicked.
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Oct 30, 2018 20:07
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i think oda wrote crocodile and then shortly invented haki (for other reasons or to make logia users vulnerable in the future without an elemental weakness). the first actual mention of haki is literally the arc following alabasta. the problem is croc was invented before haki so it really dates him.
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Oct 31, 2018 00:33
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anime was right posted:i think oda wrote crocodile and then shortly invented haki (for other reasons or to make logia users vulnerable in the future without an elemental weakness). the first actual mention of haki is literally the arc following alabasta. It seemed to me like Oda retroactively turned mantra into observation haki, so I wouldn't really call Skypeia the first mention of it. The actual mention of "Haki" in the context we use it doesn't come until Sabaody right?
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Oct 31, 2018 01:23
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The first "use" of haki was Shanks against the Sea King, but it was something Oda might not have set in stone. Blackbeard mentions it in Jaya believing Luffy to not being worth his 100 mil bounty since his Haki wasn't that impressive. Then we had the whole Mantra/Observation Haki stuff.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:34
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JahRoo posted:It seemed to me like Oda retroactively turned mantra into observation haki, so I wouldn't really call Skypeia the first mention of it. The actual mention of "Haki" in the context we use it doesn't come until Sabaody right? We first see it in Sabaody, but it's mentioned several times before.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:35
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yea oda clearly intended for it to be a thing for a while but I doubt he had all the details set in stone until later
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Oct 31, 2018 01:45
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Crosspeice posted:The first "use" of haki was Shanks against the Sea King, but it was something Oda might not have set in stone. I found that line interesting because it implies that Blackbeard can sense other people’s Haki even when they aren’t actively using it, something no other Haki user has demonstrated IIRC, yet he’s terrible at dodging and went out of his way to get a DF that’s mostly redundant for a CoA user.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:46
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RealFoxy posted:If there's one thing fiction loves, it's having a big massive fight between two good guys over a misunderstanding, so I can see Shanks being pissed off at Luffy for claiming his territory since I don't assume Shanks really has all that much. I feel like Shanks' appearance at Reverie might be setup for the fight. Like he went there to talk about BlackBeard, but maybe his talk with the old dudes bring up a conflict of interest with Luffy.
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Oct 31, 2018 01:54
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MonsterEnvy posted:We first see it in Sabaody, but it's mentioned several times before.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:03
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Crosspeice posted:Blackbeard mentions it in Jaya believing Luffy to not being worth his 100 mil bounty since his Haki wasn't that impressive. It was my understanding (and I think the WSJ translator has stated this on the one piece podcast at some point) that the use of "haki" on Jaya is literally just ambition, while later uses of haki carry the additional meaning of haki in the one piece context (color of arms, observation, etc.). I forgot about Shanks using conqueror's haki, although that sort of fits the same mold as mantra: Here are a couple powers that are cool and clearly meant to belong to strong or well trained fighters, let's go ahead and stitch them together into one cohesive "power", and toss in armament haki as a counter to devil fruits for good measure.
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Oct 31, 2018 02:29
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the best page in one piece actually says "a mans haki never dies" and this was to foreshadow that blackbeard ate whitebeard's haki to steal his power you heard it here first folks
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Oct 31, 2018 02:41
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JahRoo posted:It was my understanding (and I think the WSJ translator has stated this on the one piece podcast at some point) that the use of "haki" on Jaya is literally just ambition, while later uses of haki carry the additional meaning of haki in the one piece context (color of arms, observation, etc.). armament first appears in water 7 when garp punches luffy and it actually hurts him
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Oct 31, 2018 03:03
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no that was love
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Oct 31, 2018 03:17
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Silver2195 posted:I found that line interesting because it implies that Blackbeard can sense other people’s Haki even when they aren’t actively using it, something no other Haki user has demonstrated IIRC, yet he’s terrible at dodging and went out of his way to get a DF that’s mostly redundant for a CoA user. I mean, at this point the most reasonable conclusion is that he at least had an inkling that he could just cheat the “if you EAT two devil fruits you’ll explode” rule and have sick gravity powers along with punching people with earthquakes.
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Oct 31, 2018 03:32
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When Croc first got punched some translations have him react "wait did he just use?" Or "could he have...?". It could loosely imply this was the first mention of haki but I don't think the pre-archipelago translations are a great source.
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Oct 31, 2018 05:00
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it's ambiguous enough that croc could be talking about haki. but he could have also been thinking about water, which is what luffy actually did that's one of those things where you'd prob have to ask oda himself. assuming you can get him to answer your question seriously anyway
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Oct 31, 2018 07:28
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Tbf usually when he gives his frequent joke answers it’s because it’s something he’s gonna get to. Like how someone asked if Whitebeard’s ship was named after Rocky’s fish (because Moby Dick’s Japanese title was localized as something else) because that bit of info wasn’t ever gonna be addressed.
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Oct 31, 2018 09:19
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I wish we got some cover arcs about how certain characters got their devil fruits. It could show how marines get theirs and how many pirates just fell into theirs randomly and how many sought theirs out.
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Oct 31, 2018 10:24
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I get the impression Oda's done a lot of research into famous sailors and pirates and Age of Sail history in general, which filtered through a Japanese lens result in some fun stuff. (and also some crazy tidbits about historical pirates you'd never believe) Funny thing is that Whitebeard, Blackbeard and even Thatch (one of his aliases) are all based on various aspects of the historical Blackbeard. ...huh, apparently according to Oda, Blackbeard's real-life country of origin would be Somalia. A little morbid but probably fitting, especially since him and his crew are meant to be the most pirate-y pirates.
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Oct 31, 2018 10:30
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's ambiguous enough that croc could be talking about haki. but he could have also been thinking about water, which is what luffy actually did Oda would just answer a question about if pissing caused Crocodiles dick to turn solid instead
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Oct 31, 2018 15:17
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Which logias have we seen that have extra effects that aren't just the element being produced? Crocodile, swamp guy and blackbeard?
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Oct 31, 2018 16:07
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Enel was able to defillibrate himself, and apparently Aokoji's power is so instinctive he's basically immune to the Devil Fruit weakness of drowning because he reflexively freezes water beneath him. Oda did say that Enel, having a top-tier Devil Fruit and knowing exactly how to use it, being very intelligent and charismatic despite being completely loco, and having powerful Haki/Mantra, would likely be a major threat on the Blue Sea and pretty much anywhere else he could go. Luffy was punching way above his weight and very lucky in he has exactly the power to counter lightning. (IIRC, Luffy's body isn't just any rubber, but some Platonic super-rubber) Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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Oct 31, 2018 16:57
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Meme Emulator posted:Oda would just answer a question about if pissing caused Crocodiles dick to turn solid instead Do logias have to piss, or can they just turn their bodily waste into their element? When Ace throws a fireball, is he actually throwing his own poop?
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Oct 31, 2018 17:00
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Joseance posted:Which logias have we seen that have extra effects that aren't just the element being produced? Crocodile, swamp guy and blackbeard? Maybe the dessication is an effect of awakening his Logia
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Oct 31, 2018 17:21
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ZiegeDame posted:Do logias have to piss, or can they just turn their bodily waste into their element? When Ace throws a fireball, is he actually throwing his own poop? Did Ace eat a lot of spicy food?
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Oct 31, 2018 17:26
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ZiegeDame posted:Do logias have to piss, or can they just turn their bodily waste into their element? When Ace throws a fireball, is he actually throwing his own poop? If a Logia user has to get surgery could they like turn thier liver into sand and move it outside thier body so its easier to operate on?
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logia's arent seen splitting themselves up so i think theres still an overall binding of their self they can just phase shift their body and guts without really reorganizing them
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Oct 31, 2018 17:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Enel was able to defillibrate himself, and apparently Aokoji's power is so instinctive he's basically immune to the Devil Fruit weakness of drowning because he reflexively freezes water beneath him. I like how Luffy says in their fight that even if he can’t beat Eneru that there are plenty of guys in the Blue Sea that could clean his clock; like freaking Zoro tanked multiple thunder pillars, and Zoro is a tough motherfucker but pre timeskip Zoro is kinda like a joke compared to, say, Garp or even most vice admirals we’ve seen.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:06
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Didn't Zoro spend like p much half of part one near dead? And he continued to get the poo poo kicked out of him. Dude's the toughest motherfucker around.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:09
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Are organs canon in OP? Most humans seem to be 50L bags of blood and willpower.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:10
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law has removed a heart organ from several people
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Oct 31, 2018 20:13
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Snazzy Frocks posted:law has removed a heart organ from several people there's your answer they're real, but people don't need them
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Law has only removed hearts from people, which are needed to pump the gallons of blood each human in One Piece has.
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