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xtal posted:Was he the one who was too small for the electric chair so they made him sit on a bible as a booster seat? The very same.
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xtal posted:Was he the one who was too small for the electric chair so they made him sit on a bible as a booster seat? 
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Jun 18, 2020 19:13
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xtal posted:Was he the one who was too small for the electric chair so they made him sit on a bible as a booster seat? 
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Jun 18, 2020 23:55
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What the hell did they sentence a 10 year old to death for? 
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Jun 19, 2020 02:12
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Leavemywife posted:What the hell did they sentence a 10 year old to death for? Holding a toy gun. Oh wait, that was a 12 year old. And in 2014.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:17
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Essentially being black.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:17
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Leavemywife posted:What the hell did they sentence a 10 year old to death for? The murder of two younger children, who were white. The kids really were murdered, but Stinney’s conviction was vacated in 2014 because there was no real evidence against him, he was just the closest Black kid who could be frightened into “confessing”. Stinney was not the youngest child to be executed for murder in the US—that would be Hannah Ocuish, a Pequot child.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:20
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Leavemywife posted:What the hell did they sentence a 10 year old to death for? Stinney was 14 at the time of his execution, not that that's any better. He was accused of murdering two young white girls. The police coerced a confession from him. It was essentially a legal lynching. The execution took place three months after the murders.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:48
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This seems like a good place to ask, does anyone have a link to the article from a few years ago that profiled a woman drone pilot, including about her killing people?
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Jun 19, 2020 15:23
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xtal posted:This seems like a good place to ask, does anyone have a link to the article from a few years ago that profiled a woman drone pilot, including about her killing people? Are you sure it wasn’t a story? Article about the story and the fallout from it.
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Jun 19, 2020 22:23
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https://twitter.com/jamespmcleod/status/1274137020227559425?s=19 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers
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Zopotantor posted:Are you sure it wasn’t a story? Um, definitely not that. I'm referring to a woman in the military who drone striked people and wrote an article justifying it. I think it was in wired or motherboard or something though.
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Jun 20, 2020 06:30
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Stinney was 14 at the time of his execution, not that that's any better. What kind of goddamn monster do you have to be to kill someone who is only 14 years old? How did nobody speak up about how utterly hosed that is? I know, racism, but, just, gently caress
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Jun 20, 2020 06:30
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xtal posted:Um, definitely not that. I'm referring to a woman in the military who drone striked people and wrote an article justifying it. I think it was in wired or motherboard or something though. Doesn’t specifically ring a bell for me. There’s a few on longform but I don’t feel like any of them match what you’re after.
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Jun 20, 2020 10:46
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Leavemywife posted:What kind of goddamn monster do you have to be to kill someone who is only 14 years old? How did nobody speak up about how utterly hosed that is? That we did that in loving June of 1944 while my grandma was herself in a concentration camp and D-Day was happening has always stuck with me. That execution was straight-up nazi murder on a smaller scale.
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Jun 20, 2020 11:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZKETizybw
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:That we did that in loving June of 1944 while my grandma was herself in a concentration camp and D-Day was happening has always stuck with me. That execution was straight-up nazi murder on a smaller scale. The Nazis literally admired the US and wanted to emulate them.
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Jun 20, 2020 14:03
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Tashilicious posted:The Nazis literally admired the US and wanted to emulate them. Hitler’s American Model is a comprehensive read of this. The fact that Hitler found distaste in some of our policies for going too far is something that we should all be aware of.
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Jun 20, 2020 14:16
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MizPiz posted:https://twitter.com/jamespmcleod/status/1274137020227559425?s=19 not sure how the brabant killers is related?
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Jun 20, 2020 14:43
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Tashilicious posted:not sure how the brabant killers is related? I assume the connection is the speculation that the Brabant killers had connections to the Belgian police or military establishment, or maybe Gladio.
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Jun 20, 2020 15:26
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Probably a dumb question, but the Olbermann video made think if corporations are people in the legal sense, is it possible for a corporation to be sentenced as a person for a crime? Like if corporation X (take your pick) is found guilty of say, polluting a town's water supply which then leads to the deaths of dozens of people, wouldn't that count as mass murder and in a death penalty state wouldn't the corporation then technically be subject to a possible death sentence? I want it to be true because it's stupid on top of stupid and it would be so perfect if they had to figure out a way to symbolically execute a corporation.
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Jun 20, 2020 15:30
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Stare-Out posted:Probably a dumb question, but the Olbermann video made think if corporations are people in the legal sense, is it possible for a corporation to be sentenced as a person for a crime? Like if corporation X (take your pick) is found guilty of say, polluting a town's water supply which then leads to the deaths of dozens of people, wouldn't that count as mass murder and in a death penalty state wouldn't the corporation then technically be subject to a possible death sentence? No. Corporations are people when it's an advantage, and not a person when it's an advantage. Protected by law, not bound by it.
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Jun 20, 2020 15:59
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Tashilicious posted:No. I know you meant disadvantage, but eh, I figured as much. I'd love to be a prosecutor and keep driving at that point when a corporation is sued for something and hoist those fuckers by their own petards. And then lose my job and be blacklisted because corporations own everything.
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Jun 20, 2020 16:06
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How can a corporation be a person if I cannot murder them? The definition of personhood should depend on whether or not the "person" in question can be loving shanked in the kidneys and left to die a slow painful death in a ditch somewhere, alone and ignored.
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Jun 20, 2020 16:09
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DRINK ME posted:Doesn’t specifically ring a bell for me. There’s a few on longform but I don’t feel like any of them match what you’re after. I found it. https://www.thedailybeast.com/she-kills-people-from-7850-miles-away It was hard because it is paywalled but it works on outline.com quote:Over the next 24 hours she would track an insurgent, watch as he was killed by a Hellfire missile, and spy on his funeral before ending her night with a breakfast beer and a trip to the dog park. xtal has a new favorite as of 19:32 on Jun 20, 2020 |
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Jun 20, 2020 16:15
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Tashilicious posted:How can a corporation be a person if I cannot murder them?
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Jun 20, 2020 16:20
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There was a bumper-sticker style quote going around a few years back that went, "I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one"
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Jun 20, 2020 18:31
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Stare-Out posted:Probably a dumb question, but the Olbermann video made think if corporations are people in the legal sense, is it possible for a corporation to be sentenced as a person for a crime? Like if corporation X (take your pick) is found guilty of say, polluting a town's water supply which then leads to the deaths of dozens of people, wouldn't that count as mass murder and in a death penalty state wouldn't the corporation then technically be subject to a possible death sentence? PG&E just pleaded guilty to 84 counts of manslaughter. It was fined $4 million dollars. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...mp-fire-deaths/ “CBS” posted:Deems rebuked PG&E for its “callous disregard” for human life and pointed out that if an individual had confessed to the same crimes as the company did, he would have been able to order a sentence of 90 years in state prison.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:29
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Mister Mind posted:PG&E just pleaded guilty to 84 counts of manslaughter. It was fined $4 million dollars.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:39
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Tashilicious posted:How can a corporation be a person if I cannot murder them? This is literally the point of the novella Bicentennial Man.
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Jun 21, 2020 00:10
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Hence the distinction between a corporate person and a natural person. It's a legal fiction, but only the second most fictive. I thought the idea was the CEO of a company can be held criminally responsible for the actions of a company and prosecuted? Idk how that would work for murder though.
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Jun 21, 2020 00:54
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turntabler posted:I thought the idea was the CEO of a company can be held criminally responsible for the actions of a company and prosecuted? Idk how that would work for murder though. I didn’t want to just type “lol,” because it looks kind of rude by itself, but lol. Every company on the Fortune 1000 has committed multiple crimes that would lead to life sentences if an individual committed them, and maybe once per year we get a story about someone in a position of power at one of those companies eating poo poo for it.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:01
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I didn’t want to just type “lol,” because it looks kind of rude by itself, but lol. Every company on the Fortune 1000 has committed multiple crimes that would lead to life sentences if an individual committed them, and maybe once per year we get a story about someone in a position of power at one of those companies eating poo poo for it. Yeah I was literally thinking of the Bhopal disaster as I typed it, although looking at the wiki it seems the despite the CEO dodging chargers so lower level guys ate them instead. But my point was the theory is the CEO is the actual person who should be accountable for the crimes of a company in this way, despite what actual happens.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:10
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:I didn’t want to just type “lol,” because it looks kind of rude by itself, but lol. Every company on the Fortune 1000 has committed multiple crimes that would lead to life sentences if an individual committed them, and maybe once per year we get a story about someone in a position of power at one of those companies eating poo poo for it. I don't want to just type lol either, but I'll start with that. Lol. Now that that's out of the way, could you defend CEOs some more?
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Jun 21, 2020 01:32
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I think they're saying the mechanisms of justice are broken against the corporations, not defending the CEOs??
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xtal posted:I don't want to just type lol either, but I'll start with that. Eh I'm not defending CEOs. Someone asked if a company is a legal person can it be charged with crimes. I said I thought the CEO is the person that is meant to be charged for the companies crimes, and asked if that was the case. Whether it happens or not.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:35
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That is a extremely uninformed opinion that breaches the territory of wilful ignorance. I'm not aware of any time that has ever happened.
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Jun 21, 2020 01:37
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xtal posted:That is a extremely uninformed opinion that breaches the territory of wilful ignorance. I'm not aware of any time that has ever happened. Thoughts/questions aren't opinions but good chat there guy.
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