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I heard the guy who did "Lone Wolf and Cub" died, so I offer this in memoriam:   
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Synthbuttrange posted:I'm definitely not the ball-less cocks on the second last panel. I don't quite get the joke there, about being unbelievable as British children's entertainment. Is it a reference to some Dr Who monster that somehow got past the censors?
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Apr 19, 2019 16:34
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Nah, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen stuff is full of crude humor. One of them features a giant naked Harry Potter even, I believe. (In that there is a definitely a giant Harry Potter, and I'm pretty sure they made him nude.). There's a ton more in Black Dossier and they had the invisible man be a rapist too, so yeah, Alan Moore.
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Apr 19, 2019 18:22
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IUG posted:Nah, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen stuff is full of crude humor. One of them features a giant naked Harry Potter even, I believe. (In that there is a definitely a giant Harry Potter, and I'm pretty sure they made him nude.). There's a ton more in Black Dossier and they had the invisible man be a rapist too, so yeah, Alan Moore. Not only naked, but he shoots lightning from his penis.
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Apr 19, 2019 18:41
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See, and I was backtracking a bit in my post because I wasn't sure and I didn't want to sound like some kind of werido. Good thing it was even more weird than I remember.
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Apr 19, 2019 18:47
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IUG posted:There's a ton more in Black Dossier and they had the invisible man be a rapist too, so yeah, Alan Moore. Hyde, too. It's messed up. Huh. I say, that looks rather marvelous, doesn't it? Like a daguerreotype developing.
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Apr 19, 2019 19:04
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Doc Hawkins posted:I don't quite get the joke there, about being unbelievable as British children's entertainment. Is it a reference to some Dr Who monster that somehow got past the censors? It's a reference to a comic book by Bob Monkhouse that got past the censors:  The name "Unbelievable Ones" comes from Dr. Strange's Mindless Ones.
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Apr 19, 2019 20:59
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Presented without context Series is Rokudou no Onna-tachi
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Apr 20, 2019 03:03
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More no context Gokushufudou: The Way of the House Husband
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Apr 20, 2019 03:33
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Infinitum posted:Presented without context Frankly, that's much worse than just floating around
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Apr 20, 2019 03:49
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I bet it makes a rickety squeeking as she rides around.
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Apr 20, 2019 04:12
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Even less context! Source is Mad Bull 34 Warning: An older series from the 80s, with a lot of problematic scenes in the early chapters.
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Apr 20, 2019 04:50
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prefect posted:I heard the guy who did "Lone Wolf and Cub" died, so I offer this in memoriam: For context, Kazuo Koike was the writer for Lone Wolf and Cub, and Mad Bull 34 above. He usually paired up with different artists for each series. He also taught manga classes whose alumni is a serious who's who of the manga world Poor guy died of pneumonia a few days after Monkey Punch (Lupin III creator) also died of the same cause.
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Apr 20, 2019 04:54
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Based on the kinds of stories he's written, I've often thought of Kazuo Koike as one of two manga creators who could reasonably be considered the Japanese Frank Miller--appropriate, given Miller's boosting of LW&C in the 80's. (The other is Go Nagai.)
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Apr 20, 2019 05:03
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Go Nagai is a monster in terms of output as well, working on over 360 titles since his debut Mazinger and Getter Robo are straight up some of the best mecha series from the 70s and 80s. Checkout Devilman Crybaby on Netflix for a good modern interpretation of one of his most famous works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww06yGPM7Kc Warning: Extremely violent series. Lots of rape and gore. Noone gets a happy ending.
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Apr 20, 2019 05:18
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A friend sent me this, from Lone Wolf and Cub: Yes, that man is in a box. According to my friend, the other pages should be in the Badass thread.
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Apr 21, 2019 00:31
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Adnor posted:A friend sent me this, from Lone Wolf and Cub: it's pretty great, the guy in the box is a former samurai who's renounced violence and lives his life as a beggar using the table as a game; basically, samurai try to cut off his head for money, and he uses his swordsman skills to evade/grab the blade. then he sees ogami itto and his son daigoro, and instantly recognizes him as a mass murderer, and he basically says to him "i've renounced violence because i don't want to kill people, but if i let you walk away now you'll kill dozens if not hundreds, and so it's my duty to try to kill you, but i'll do it using the skills i've acquired doing this game." and itto, despite the fact that he walks the path of meifumado and has renounced bushido, still has respect for true warriors, and so accepts his challenge. i forget exactly what happens next, cause it's been a while since i read it, but i'm pretty sure it involves throwing a sword cause that happened a lot
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Apr 21, 2019 01:01
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No idea of issue sorry       Goddammit Steve.
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Apr 21, 2019 16:15
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That's from Captain America #696, by Mark Waid and Chris Samnee. It bugged me when it came out because it was right after Secret Empire and it felt like it was sort of shirking the consequences of that event by reverting immediately back to this very sunny, Normal Rockwell-esque version of Captain America's America, a tone I'm not very persuaded by at the best of times.
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Apr 21, 2019 16:35
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Man, gently caress that event.
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Apr 21, 2019 17:53
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Archyduchess posted:That's from Captain America #696, by Mark Waid and Chris Samnee. It bugged me when it came out because it was right after Secret Empire and it felt like it was sort of shirking the consequences of that event by reverting immediately back to this very sunny, Normal Rockwell-esque version of Captain America's America, a tone I'm not very persuaded by at the best of times. Considering things it's not impossible that Captain America being a literal Nazi would make people in small-town America like him more.
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Apr 21, 2019 18:09
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Archyduchess posted:That's from Captain America #696, by Mark Waid and Chris Samnee. It bugged me when it came out because it was right after Secret Empire and it felt like it was sort of shirking the consequences of that event by reverting immediately back to this very sunny, Normal Rockwell-esque version of Captain America's America, a tone I'm not very persuaded by at the best of times. I think that was pretty much the point. Like "hey, Cap's been a Nazi for a while and people are pissed about it, let's do some feel-good stuff to win people back over before actually dealing with the fallout"
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Apr 21, 2019 19:02
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TwoPair posted:I think that was pretty much the point. Like "hey, Cap's been a Nazi for a while and people are pissed about it, let's do some feel-good stuff to win people back over before actually dealing with the fallout" I get that impulse, but I think Waid didn't help things by so heavily empathizing "no, really, Captain America is a populist hero, everyone loves him!" when that was precisely the element of his character that was the main thrust of Secret Empire, albeit in a pretty badly written way. I think ImpAtom's point is apt-- Secret Empire was full of scenes of small-town people eating up the Hydra schtick, so it wasn't really as convincing a "back to basics" as it might have been if Waid/Samnee had veered a bit further away from the Norman Rockwell iconography. To be honest I came around on Waid's run a bit when he shifted away from that stuff but I still think it was a not quite successful attempt at tonal rehabilitation. Edit: That being said I don't really hold it against Waid, as "turn this ship around after Secret Empire, and make Captain America not odious" sounds like a nightmare assignment, and I think Waid was, in theory, a really sharp choice to attempt it.
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Apr 22, 2019 02:51
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I still don't get how "Captain America was secretly a fascist" was allowed to get past the drunken spitballing phase. (I know what's-his-face is super into trump and basically forced it to go forward after a certain point, but there's a string of dumbasses who had to be on board with it to even get it to management in the first place.)
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Apr 22, 2019 03:40
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In Home of the Brave, the Rockwell Americana stuff only really lasts two issues, it's a quick rehab and reset that sets up a different kind of story immediately afterwards.
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Keeshhound posted:I still don't get how "Captain America was secretly a fascist" was allowed to get past the drunken spitballing phase. (I know what's-his-face is super into trump and basically forced it to go forward after a certain point, but there's a string of dumbasses who had to be on board with it to even get it to management in the first place.) I still maintain that, on paper, Evil Cap was/is not a bad idea. At least no more so than any other evil version or body-snatch of a superhero ever made. The problem was just a combination of poor execution and tragic timing with real world events.
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Apr 22, 2019 04:55
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It seems like they had the idea of "Let's take that What If story where Cap gets replaced by a fascist double and turn it into a Major Marvel Event™" and the proceeded to make it really bloated and unfun, as they tend to do.
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TwoPair posted:I still maintain that, on paper, Evil Cap was/is not a bad idea. At least no more so than any other evil version or body-snatch of a superhero ever made. The problem was just a combination of poor execution and tragic timing with real world events. i mean, evil cap is one thing, but making him a member of a neo-nazi group, considering the whole "created by two jewish men and punched hitler before america was even at war with germany" thing was in poor taste the fact that the writer doubled down and made fun of people upset about that didn't help matters. it just came off really tone deaf and turned a lot of people off of marvel
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Senju Kannon posted:i mean, evil cap is one thing, but making him a member of a neo-nazi group, considering the whole "created by two jewish men and punched hitler before america was even at war with germany" thing was in poor taste The complaints about Secret Empire being a thing as naziism was on the rise in the US are legit but this part is super overblown. It’s a comic, and the good, real, captain America came back and punched the bad fake one and everything went back to normal. It’s comics. It’s like the tenth time Cap has fought for the nazis.
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I think part of the issue was it went on for awhile. Steve Rogers said "Hail Hydra" in July 2016 and Secret Empire ended more than a year later, combined with actual fascism making a big comeback at the time, it wasn't a good look. If it had been a 4-6 issue arc that would have been different.
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Apr 22, 2019 06:24
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Comics don't exist in a bubble. Acting as if they do is how you end up with a story where Cap becomes a Nazi when actual Nazis are making a comeback.
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Jordan7hm posted:It’s a comic, and the good, real, captain America came back and punched the bad fake one and everything went back to normal. 
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Apr 22, 2019 06:53
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Ghostlight posted:but hydra-cap was the real one Nazi Cap was TOTALLY the real deal until they decided that he wasn't. They decided that the really for-reals Cap was squirreled away in some pocket dimension or whatever.
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Apr 22, 2019 07:15
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Hydra Cap has the original body.
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Apr 22, 2019 07:27
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Yeah, I'm just gonna erase that from my memory now.
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Apr 22, 2019 09:04
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Too late.
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Keeshhound posted:I still don't get how "Captain America was secretly a fascist" was allowed to get past the drunken spitballing phase. (I know what's-his-face is super into trump and basically forced it to go forward after a certain point, but there's a string of dumbasses who had to be on board with it to even get it to management in the first place.)
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Apr 22, 2019 14:34
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I think this was before Cebulski was EIC.
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I guess you're right. He became EIC in November 2017. Secret Empire ended August 2017. AXELLLLLLLL!!!! 
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Rhyno posted:Hydra Cap has the original body. I'm sure it had already been replaced a dozen times anyway.
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