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Nephthys posted:And there were a bunch of assassination attempts on Jane. And she sent drones after Dirk and Roxy. And bombed Jakes house. She wanted the kids to get into the game. Why, we don't know but I'm 90% certain this was explicitly stated. The idea she wants her own universe makes sense. She probably needs Roxy around simply to do the voidy thing. I doubt Roxy will suffer the same fate as the Wiionic as she doesn't have to be hard wired into a spaceship but she might get an involuntary God Tier-ing so her Voidy powers once again black out her surroundings from LE. Whatever the case I don't think Fish Hitler is acting within LE's instruction right now.
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Towards the end, Calliope figured she'd got it the wrong way around and Roxy was unwatchable while sober. Which works with her being blackout sober for the duration of the session, all of which was just black on Calliope's screen. Note also that we just skipped right by most of their session in the Act 6.4 flash.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:54
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Maybe... maybe she captured Roxy to keep her safely out of the way while she kills the other three kids? After all, the Void is hiding the session from being found (you can view it on the tv tower thing, but that doesn't mean you can find it on a map...)
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Dec 5, 2012 19:06
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Trebuchet King posted:Well, with regard to the portals, I'd assumed they can only fly on prospit/derse. Roxy's on Derse now, though, so who knows, I guess. No, John flew on the battlefield when his dream self woke up, and Dave flew out to Derse's moon after he cut it off. I think Hussie just didn't think all this out.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:11
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They can't fly because after 5 months of Jake drama they no longer have any happy thoughts, duh. I foresee a callback to WV watching John die and go god tier with Caliborn watching Roxy on the monitor tree.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:29
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creationist believer posted:I foresee a callback to WV watching John die and go god tier with Caliborn watching Roxy on the monitor tree. And then the screen goes blank, like it did for WV! Hah. That's actually not implausible.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:31
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Maybe it's the pyjamas that let you fly? Hussie needs to do another Q+A session so can get this poo poo clarified! Also to ask why he hates women with facial hair so god drat much.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:39
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Bobulus posted:Well, the monitor tree seems to be able to show anything the audience can see. I could imagine a god-tier void player being able to black out a small region such that even we couldn't see what is happening near them. Honestly surprised this hasn't happened already, unless you count Equius' aura of OH GOD I DON'T WANT TO SEE e/ Or any of the other circumstantial stuff mentioned in the last page. I guess following commands with a black screen for void players would be a somewhat ham-handed way of demonstrating the level of fourth-wall-breakiness of their powers, and we wouldn't want that. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Dec 5, 2012 19:41
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You can fly in your dreams. Once a dead player's dreamself becomes the real self, they aren't dreaming.
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Gul Banana posted:You can fly in your dreams. Once a dead player's dreamself becomes the real self, they aren't dreaming. But post-death, pre-godtiering Dave could fly. edit: Let's solve this right now: The Cond put her to sleep as she started to fall and thus she wasn't awake to start floating.
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Dec 5, 2012 20:38
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Maybe he STRONGJUMPED the distance.
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Bobulus posted:But post-death, pre-godtiering Dave could fly. I've seen it claimed that Dave was using the same sort of horror-terror type stuff that Rose did, it sort of looks like he has a black aura around him when taking off. Whether this makes things even more confusing and stupid is up to you, I guess. vvv Sollux can fly by himself, he's got telekinetic powers. Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 5, 2012 |
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Mazerunner posted:I've seen it claimed that Dave was using the same sort of horror-terror type stuff that Rose did, it sort of looks like he has a black aura around him when taking off. Sollux's dreamself flew from Derse to LoBaF after his realself was killed and he revived as it. I'm pretty sure anyway.
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Karkat told John he was the only troll that couldn't fly. BUT he also never went to sleep to activate his dream self, until Bec Noir came through and killed him immediately after he woke up. For Dave and Rose, it seems like their post-death, pre-godtier selves was still their Dreamselves because of the Derse pajamas.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:If I had a nickel for every time someone called something a "Gnostic story"... For what it's worth, reading something into a story is considered just as valid if not moreso than authorial intent in the post-modern framework. Something doesn't have to be premeditatedly gnostic to come off as gnostic. And that wouldn't be a valid argument in this case anyway, because it's very blatantly obvious that it's intentionally trudging about waist-deep in gnostic symbolism and archetype and you either have to be really lucky or really knowledgable to do this good a job of it. And also that article is a really great read. I'm gonna go read about gnosticism when I get home because wow cool.
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Note Block posted:For Dave and Rose, it seems like their post-death, pre-godtier selves was still their Dreamselves because of the Derse pajamas. The only reason anyone else who lost their realself isn't wearing the pyjamas is because they changed their clothes.
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Don't forget the first callback to that!  (Of course, that Dave died, too) ; )
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Is it possible this isn't the first time that this has happened to Roxy? If GCat was controlled by the Batterwitch, it's not a huge leap in logic to assume that Fefpeta was put to sleep suddenly by the Batterwitch, too. If that's the case, Roxy commenting on how Fefpeta suddenly falls asleep quite often could be precursor to Roxy being abducted. There's already precedent for characters being pawns who can't remember they're working for the bad guys in the form of Meulin. It's possible Roxy doesn't remember herself being under the Condense's control.
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Condy's a little less threatening now that I know her dramatic entrances are accompanied by dubstep.
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afatwhiteloaf posted:I'm confused about dream selves. It's funny that of all the kids, Jake is the only one who, as far as we know with the currently established rules, absolutely cannot go god-tier. The Hero of Hope is the one who can't achieve his full potential. How very convenient for Lord English.
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Prison Warden posted:It's funny that of all the kids, Jake is the only one who, as far as we know with the currently established rules, absolutely cannot go god-tier. The Hero of Hope is the one who can't achieve his full potential. How very convenient for Lord English. Where would the Prospitians put a hero's body after a funeral procession?
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TheDemon posted:Where would the Prospitians put a hero's body after a funeral procession? Not even after. Look again. During the funeral procession, they're carrying him on his Quest Slab. But the three people who have Godtiered on their quest slab (Dave, Rose, Aradia) were all alive and died on the slab. Assuming Jake's dreamself did actually die (and WV didn't feed him a non-peanut by mistake), he doesn't meet that requirement. Of course, based on the way Hussie worded it, we don't know if the requirement is "dreamself dies on Quest Slab" or "last life dies on Quest Slab".
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Thing is, he has said that part of going god tier is that your dream-self "takes over" as your main body. Now, this may only be part of the mechanism for the Quest-bed-on-planet method, but everyone we know of who has used the quest-slab-on-derse method has done so using their dream-self. Not to say that jake couldn't die on his planet quest bed, and because his dream self is already on his prospit quest slab he auto-resurrects as god tier Page, but with the mechanisms as established, he seems to be sol.
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Thing is, that happened before he entered the game itself, so it's possible he's going by a variation of Aradia rules.
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Bobulus posted:Not even after. Look again. During the funeral procession, they're carrying him on his Quest Slab. I'm pretty sure Aradia's dreamself was already dead, that's why she was placed in the Derse core's crypts.
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life_source posted:I'm pretty sure Aradia's dreamself was already dead, that's why she was placed in the Derse core's crypts. I don't think that's the case. Rather, it seems incredibly clear that Aradia's dreamself was comatose, hence why Aradia ascended to God Tier after Bec Noir destroyed Derse.
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I was under the impression that her dream self was still alive, but asleep, up until Jack destroyed Derse.
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Yeah, I can't be bothered to look, but one of the Hussie plot summaries or the formspring implied that her dreamself was comatose in the crypt, not dead.
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I just interpreted that she was killed by Vriska, and found her quest bed and moved it to a safe place deep within Derse. Then she slept on it and willed herself back to "life" as a ghost. And when Derse was being destroyed she self-destructed and stopping being the ghost, and then went God Tiered when she died/exploded/burned up because of Jack's rampage.
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I actually like the comatose idea. Dreamselves are affected by what happens to the Realself, so flat out dying would probably do something major like sending it into a coma. Re-watching [S] Wake. does have Aradia opening her eyes seconds before her revival, so comatose then wakes up then revives could be how it all went down.
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Eh I don't think she moved it herself. There's basically no explanation as to why or how she became a ghost in the first place other than that she had unfinished business on Alternia. Basically she died and became a ghost, and because she became a ghost she couldn't sleep for her dreamself to awaken. Then Eq kissed her post-mortem (the robo-kiss) so when her robot self blew up her "real self" died "properly" with all requirements for the dreamself to take charge in place; then the dreamself died on the quest slab. I'm not sure if she *could* Quest-Slab revive if her dreamself was dead before that, but then again we have precedent for such a kind of revival (Jade was dead before Jack placed her on her Quest Bed) and a suggestion to it happening in the future (Jake's dreamself's dead body placed on his Quest slab by the Prospitians).
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Prison Warden posted:It's funny that of all the kids, Jake is the only one who, as far as we know with the currently established rules, absolutely cannot go god-tier. The Hero of Hope is the one who can't achieve his full potential. How very convenient for Lord English. As long as we don't see Dirk's sprite, there is the (very) remote possibility of prototyping it with Jake's dreamcorpse, and then Jake could achieve god tier like Jade did.
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I had thought it was said that Dreamselves only fly in proximity to Prospit/Derse? It would stand to reason that she was just caught off guard by being teleported several hundred feet in the air or so though. Let's go with that.
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Bobulus posted:Of course, based on the way Hussie worded it, we don't know if the requirement is "dreamself dies on Quest Slab" or "last life dies on Quest Slab". He was also rather coy on whether or not burning in the fires of the Green Sun was a requirement.
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It seems like a real stretch, but it's worth reminding people that there was some speculation that CD didn't actually poison Jake's dreamself, because he hosed up.quote:He says the intelligence report he had said the kid wouldn't take well to peanuts. So he snuck in there with a whole bag of them. You know, like the kind from circuses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus_Peanuts wikipedia posted:Circus Peanuts is a peanut-shaped marshmallow candy. ...and we know how much the Midnight Crew types love their candies. Bobulus fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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Dec 6, 2012 01:16
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Yeah, but he choked on them anyway.
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Cabbit posted:Quick, someone make a photoshop of Coyote stealing Jake English's bad memories.  After that one panel, I didn't quite feel like doing the whole thing 
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 Tumblr link Finally managed to put together some new music. The heat death of the universe is a tedious, boring, long-lasting process. Much like this song More of an experiment than anything else, so it's probably not up to par with my other stuff, but I did like how the piano breakdown about 3/4 of the way through turned out, and who knows, maybe someone else might like it. NO LISTEN TO ME fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Dec 6, 2012 |
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YF-23 posted:Eh I don't think she moved it herself. There's basically no explanation as to why or how she became a ghost in the first place other than that she had unfinished business on Alternia. Well, she already had ghost powers, which probably has something to do with it. Rorus Raz posted:
Also, are you sure you didn't shop in John instead of Jake? I can't unsee the former.
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