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Nevvy Z posted:It only takes one for a not guilty right? I skipped crim pro. No. One just hangs it (except in Oregon and Louisiana, which oddly enough allow non-unanimous jury verdicts). empty whippet box posted:Can a lawyer just pitch the case to a jury that whatever their client did shouldn't be illegal, and therefore they should refuse to convict? Can you do that? I've always wondered if drug cases could be argued that way, given the right jury. No judge in the world is going to let a lawyer get away with actually arguing for nullification. Lawyers have to follow the rules of the court, and the rules always say the jurors must decide based on the law. Because jury verdicts are final and we can't look into what happens in deliberation, juries don't actually have to follow that rule. But lawyers absolutely do and you're not allowed to argue for a nullification. HashtagGirlboss fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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empty whippet box posted:Can a lawyer just pitch the case to a jury that whatever their client did shouldn't be illegal, and therefore they should refuse to convict? Can you do that? I've always wondered if drug cases could be argued that way, given the right jury.
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I had not noticed this before, but a bunch of random MAGA CHUDs are apparently concerned because the doctor holding a press conference on Rep. Steve Scalise (supposedly) had some involvement in their crazy Seth Rich conspiracy https://twitter.com/SeaDimon/status/875800736294162433 https://twitter.com/frangiaq/status/875796833137827843 https://twitter.com/RealMattCouch/status/875798419457138688 Mental illness is a hell of a drug
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I can vouch for what the others above me said on the jury nullification point - juries can certainly do that, but lawyers would be in serious danger of disbarring if they openly advised it.
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Jun 16, 2017 23:34
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I guess that embarrassing video rumor yesterday was bullshit.
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Sarcastro posted:I can vouch for what the others above me said on the jury nullification point - juries can certainly do that, but lawyers would be in serious danger of disbarring if they openly advised it. That, and the judge will declare it a mistrial and everyone gets to start over.
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I hope the circumstances of my eventual death are never grounds for becoming an icon to idiots like the t_d chucklefucks.
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skylined! posted:Donate to the ACLU or other similar charitable orgs that help fight this poo poo Namely, the Southern Poverty Law Center
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empty whippet box posted:I guess that embarrassing video rumor yesterday was bullshit. I pondered for a moment today if it was more responding - very late - to the leaked transcript of trump's call w/duterte.
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skylined! posted:Donate to the ACLU or other similar charitable orgs that help fight this poo poo I'm very ignorant of any such organizations - I'm sorry but are there any good summaries of aid organizations based in the US?
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FlamingLiberal posted:I had not noticed this before, but a bunch of random MAGA CHUDs are apparently concerned because the doctor holding a press conference on Rep. Steve Scalise (supposedly) had some involvement in their crazy Seth Rich conspiracy  The guy is the Director of Trauma Surgery at a large trauma hospital. He's gonna be the go to for any comments on Scalise. Initial reporting on Scalise was garbage too. News reported that he was fine, sitting up, laughing, and calling his wife. Later reports were that he was in shock and went straight to the OR. Scalise dying would have had huge conspiracy theories playing off the Seth Rich stuff.
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Nosfereefer posted:I'm very ignorant of any such organizations - I'm sorry but are there any good summaries of aid organizations based in the US? https://www.charitywatch.org/top-rated-charities
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skylined! posted:https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/new-trump-financial-disclosures-show-millions-in-increased?utm_term=.ae27yAEov#.djWWxVENz It's disgusting what he's doing right now. It's such blatant grifting by the biggest grifter in America's history.
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for the non-americans in here who want an idea idea of how bad it is for black americans please read this, the greatest article ever written https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
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Nosfereefer posted:I'm very ignorant of any such organizations - I'm sorry but are there any good summaries of aid organizations based in the US? ACLU is a legit good organization fighting for civil rights. They do everything from take letters from people detained in jails/prisons/immigration detention centers for small violations and serve court orders based on them, to opening up bigger, broader cases, both state and country-encompassing. I'm sure there are other awesome orgs to donate to, but ACLU should be up there.
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Nosfereefer posted:I'm very ignorant of any such organizations - I'm sorry but are there any good summaries of aid organizations based in the US? There is no charity dedicated to the vigorous prosecution of police officers, because that's the state's job, and the families of those killed during interactions with the police usually solicit donations as individuals.
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Maybe someone should start a Victims of Police Violence charity and subsequently get killed/framed for something.
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Jealous Cow posted:Maybe someone should start a Victims of Police Violence charity and subsequently get killed/framed for something. That would get immediately labeled as a hate group or terrorists, just like BLM has been by the right.
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Sorus posted:That would get immediately labeled as a hate group or terrorists, just like BLM has been by the right. Seriously?
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Soooooo... hey! How's that swamp draining coming along? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...e-a7792911.html quote:A wedding planner who coordinated the big day for Donald Trump''s son Eric, has been selected to run the main federal housing programme in New York. ...oh.
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Nosfereefer posted:Seriously? Without question. e: Not only that, but there are also these groups now?!? White lives matter Blue-  lives matterAll lives matter KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Nosfereefer posted:Seriously? I wish I wasn't. My Alex Jones listening, Hannity loving, boss has repeatedly stated such and while he has the rare original thought most of the time he's just echoing RWM bullshit.
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LaserShark posted:Soooooo... hey! How's that swamp draining coming along? ya trump is gonna skim off the top of that, too, no doubt
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Nosfereefer posted:I'm very ignorant of any such organizations - I'm sorry but are there any good summaries of aid organizations based in the US? On the other side of the fence, LEAP is good people. https://lawenforcementactionpartnership.org Started out as Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, but they've broadened their mission.
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Jealous Cow posted:Maybe someone should start a Victims of Police Violence charity and subsequently get killed/framed for something. It's an interesting idea, but would likely fall apart under the fraught question of deciding who gets access to the funds. Does the kin of the convicted sex offender who had an illegal gun when he was shot on the ground while wrestling with police get a cut? Either the charity could be incredibly selective, which is likely to engender bad feelings among family members who feel that the deceased is being put on trial again, or they can be relatively liberal, which risks the scandal of donating money to, for example, sex offenders with a history of domestic battery.
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I just want to make sure that any donation don't disappear into some local scheme or corporation, but ACLU looks good. Is the American Red Cross reliable as well?
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Dead Reckoning posted:It's an interesting idea, but would likely fall apart under the fraught question of deciding who gets access to the funds. Does the kin of the convicted sex offender who had an illegal gun when he was shot on the ground while wrestling with police get a cut? Either the charity could be incredibly selective, which is likely to engender bad feelings among family members who feel that the deceased is being put on trial again, or they can be relatively liberal, which risks the scandal of donating money to, for example, sex offenders with a history of domestic battery. Define the mission and scope up front and stick to it. The ACLU defends things I don't like but I still support them. Nosfereefer posted:I just want to make sure that any donation don't disappear into some local scheme or corporation, but ACLU looks good. Is the American Red Cross reliable as well? Before you donate to the Red Cross, so some research about them. You may be fine with their management and practices, but there are some minor controversies.
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Nosfereefer posted:I just want to make sure that any donation don't disappear into some local scheme or corporation, but ACLU looks good. Is the American Red Cross reliable as well? very much mixed opinions on that one
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Nosfereefer posted:I just want to make sure that any donation don't disappear into some local scheme or corporation, but ACLU looks good. Is the American Red Cross reliable as well? For the issue we're talking about you really want to help the ACLU. They are devoted to exposing those in power who abuse it, and have a crack team of lawyers who specialize.
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Nosfereefer posted:I just want to make sure that any donation don't disappear into some local scheme or corporation, but ACLU looks good. Is the American Red Cross reliable as well?
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KickerOfMice posted:For the issue we're talking about you really want to help the ACLU. They are devoted to exposing those in power who abuse it, and have a crack team of lawyers who specialize. Okay I see, that would probably be the best use of resources then. skylined! posted:very much mixed opinions on that one drat, I'm used to the Red Cross being a very consistently humanist organisation, I take it is different over there then? :/
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Nosfereefer posted:Okay I see, that would probably be the best use of resources then. They're not a scam or anything (probably); the controversies that I know of are in regards to how they use funds for disaster relief perhaps not as efficiently as they could, but it's not like they're soliciting donations and then funneling them to someone's slush fund.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Until they pull them over for speeding, then they are FASCISTS WHO SHOULD BE OUT STOPPING REAL CRIME! Even ol' Zyklon Ben mysteriously loses his respect for our protectors in blue when he goes a few over the speed limit and can't thank-you-for-your-service his way out of a ticket: 
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/875856327905603589 I read 'disappearing' as 'disappointing' and thought ol'jakey was retweeting Onion articles.
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LaserShark posted:Soooooo... hey! How's that swamp draining coming along? It gets better. CNN posted:The Daily News report raises questions about Patton's education background. "She also claims on her LinkedIn page to have obtained a juris doctorate degree in 2000 from Quinnipiac University School of Law in Connecticut," reads the story. "Next to the J.D. notation is written (N/A) without explanation. On Thursday school registrar Jim Benson said Patton attended for two semesters but did not graduate."
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