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DEUCE SLUICE posted:the loving lick from Birdland You might have to be a little more specific
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the head, the first bass thing at the top of the song
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Jan 23, 2011 19:42
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Vino posted:When I slap my right hand is typically doing a rhythm machine kind of motion where it's constantly waving back and forth, two times per beat, and you opportunistically hit or pop the string whenever it's appropriate. You can see Alex doing it in the video. So, your thumb never gets a chance to rest on the string, it's already bounced back up. Yeah that makes sense. Once I started speeding up it became easier because my hand was moving faster by necessity. Now I can slow it down tempo wise and still get the same sound. Thanks! DEUCE SLUICE posted:As someone who spent a lot of time learning how to slap, double thumb, learn Victor Wooten solos and Marcus Miller solos, etc: I play for fun so as long as it's fun, it's not a waste of time!  (plus my band digs it and wants me to get better at it)
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Jan 23, 2011 20:19
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:You want to learn something hard and USEFUL? Get an upright. One of these days... 
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Jan 23, 2011 20:22
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Sometimes I feel like the only electric bassist alive who has no real taste/admiration for Jaco... edit: I don't deny his talent and all, I just never really got into any of his stuff, and really dislike his tone.
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Jan 23, 2011 20:24
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:As someone who spent a lot of time learning how to slap, double thumb, learn Victor Wooten solos and Marcus Miller solos, etc: What, seriously? You're telling the guy to cut out half a repertiore. Not that you should play slap all of the time, but it's hardly a waste of time. Being able to transition back and forth from solid fingering to slapping is a great skill. Scarf, I'm not a huge Jaco fan either, but if you don't like his tone then you must not like Flea's either? He basically stole it from Jaco I think.
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Jan 23, 2011 22:48
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Flea and Jaco? Really? I would have never made that connection
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Jan 23, 2011 22:50
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Scarf posted:Sometimes I feel like the only electric bassist alive who has no real taste/admiration for Jaco... manic mike posted:Edit: Also, Jaco already showed us everything the electric bass can do. Anything else is just a gimmick. And Flea stealing Jaco's tone? His Modulus/Stingray tone was a little similar, but anybody would sound like that playing fingerstyle over a bridge pickup. And since he changes his setup almost every album he's spent very little time sounding like that over his career.
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Jan 23, 2011 23:41
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Vino posted:What, seriously? You're telling the guy to cut out half a repertiore. Not that you should play slap all of the time, but it's hardly a waste of time. Being able to transition back and forth from solid fingering to slapping is a great skill. Nope. Flea has a great sense of rhythm, but I've never been the biggest RHCP fan either aside from BSSM (couldn't really escape it since it came out when I was in middle/high school). I really don't see what the draw is to the solo'd bridge pickup tone. It's like bite without the balls... Just makes the whole bass sound castrated to me. I'm pretty much a P-bass-tone guy through and through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3SvyCSt9H0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJtmDQBvF8
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Jan 24, 2011 00:55
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Vino posted:What, seriously? You're telling the guy to cut out half a repertiore. Not that you should play slap all of the time, but it's hardly a waste of time. Being able to transition back and forth from solid fingering to slapping is a great skill. Yes, seriously. It's only half of a repertoire of a really bad bass player no one wants to listen to, or guys only bass players give a poo poo about. It's a waste of time. I'm not trying to be a traditionalist stick in the mud or anything, just trying to give practical advice. Being able to slap will not get you gigs, sessions, admiration, auditions, or anything other than personal satisfaction. If that's what you want, great. Knock yourself out. Just realize that you'll probably regret putting a ton of time into perfecting your double-thumb technique when the guy that spent that time working on his sight-reading and time gets all your gigs. Solo bridge pickup tone owns as long as you're using it in the right kind of music. If I'm playing in a fusion band, or metal stuff, or anything that needs fast note definition, then a P-bass is going to be a little "fluffy."
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Jan 24, 2011 01:40
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Yes, seriously. It's only half of a repertoire of a really bad bass player no one wants to listen to, or guys only bass players give a poo poo about. It's a waste of time. This. I've been playing for 5 or 6 years, and 3 years ago I pretty much stopped slapping. Its the equivalent of a rapper, who only raps about money, ho's and guns. It's been done to death for years now, and EVERYONE has heard it. The novelty wears off pretty quick, and eventually you will get tired of the thuggish rapper, and move on to someone with better lyrics and tighter beats. When I first started I thought Les Claypool was the best bassist ever, now I respect Jeff Berlin and Jaco alot more.. But slapping is pretty drat fun. edit: also a big Flea fan. Constipated fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jan 24, 2011 |
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Jan 24, 2011 02:37
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So I'm looking for a 5-string. Budget maxes around 600. Eyeballing mainly: Ibanez SR405QM ESP LTD D-5 Ibanez SR605 But open to other options. I'm not sure on the tone I'm looking for; but I do know I want a 5 string at some point. I currently play an Ibanez SRA300 and its pretty alright. Any suggestions of other items to look at? edit: I'd like something that I can get a more "mellow" tone if that makes sense. The SRA300 has tons of punch as it is. edit again: Maybe the Fender Standard Jazz Bass. It's looking like its 700, but I could probably swing it. Walked fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Jan 24, 2011 |
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Jan 24, 2011 04:08
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A five-string Jazz Bass is always a safe bet. Tons of room for upgrades down the road, too.
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Jan 24, 2011 04:26
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:A five-string Jazz Bass is always a safe bet. Tons of room for upgrades down the road, too. What I am curious is whether I could get away with the Squier 5-string jazz.. less than half the fender. I'm not terribly great; but do some jamming with friends. Though I doubt I'd notice the difference. Unfortunately, I can only seem to locate the squier locally, so I cant try the fender out.
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Jan 24, 2011 04:35
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Buying used will open more options to you. Coughcough-Lakland 55-01-coughcough
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Jan 24, 2011 04:37
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That Squier Deluxe Active 5 gets a ton of love. I've played one once and the fret ends were awful, but that's more the fault of Wisconsin being so goddamn dry in the winter and it's easy to fix. Tone was definitely there, and it played great.
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Jan 24, 2011 04:38
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SR405QM or SR605 will be a shitload lighter/thinner than a fender or lakland 5 - Think of your back! (one day I'll get my endorsement deal and until then I'm gonna keep practicing 
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Jan 24, 2011 05:23
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That's a good point DrChu, the BSSM sound is the most memorable in my head as far as bass tone goes since later albums have so much more compression and layering by the guitarist.DEUCE SLUICE posted:Just realize that you'll probably regret putting a ton of time into perfecting your double-thumb technique when the guy that spent that time working on his sight-reading and time gets all your gigs. Granted, spending time learning anything at the expense of theory is a bad idea to me. For a beginner to music in general this is probably good advice. But if you already have good theory then I'd not shy away from learning new techniques.
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Jan 24, 2011 09:54
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Ackbarf posted:SR405QM or SR605 will be a shitload lighter/thinner than a fender or lakland 5 - Think of your back! How do you figure? The 405 is Mahogany and the 605 is Ash (same as the Fender/Lakland). Neither is really considered the lightest of woods. Average for both newer Fenders and Laklands is less than 10lbs. and in a lot of cases, less than 9.5lbs. Which is pretty standard across the industry.
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Jan 24, 2011 14:52
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Scarf posted:One of these days...
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Jan 24, 2011 15:13
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MolluskGoneBad posted:DO IT. Sell a couple of Laklands and buy a double bass and a bow. Best music-related decision I ever made. Yeah, but at the moment I only have 2. And only selling one would get me about 1/3 of the way to affording the upright I'd like to have. The hollowbody lakland is too drat cool, and the 44-02 is too drat versatile. Maybe I can sell various bodily fluids...
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Jan 24, 2011 15:23
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I missed out on a nice upright a while ago too. Couldn't make up my mind about 3/4 vs full size. The instrument as a whole has always felt too short for me as a 3/4, whereas the interval distances seem okay compared to an electric. Only ever played a full size once and can't remember whether the fingering was that much more of a reach. Is there a big difference?
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Jan 24, 2011 18:38
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Scarf posted:Yeah, but at the moment I only have 2. And only selling one would get me about 1/3 of the way to affording the upright I'd like to have. The hollowbody lakland is too drat cool, and the 44-02 is too drat versatile. You can make about $70 a month selling plasma. So two years from now...
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Jan 24, 2011 18:52
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Underflow posted:I missed out on a nice upright a while ago too. Couldn't make up my mind about 3/4 vs full size. The instrument as a whole has always felt too short for me as a 3/4, whereas the interval distances seem okay compared to an electric. Only ever played a full size once and can't remember whether the fingering was that much more of a reach. Is there a big difference? Well there's also 7/8s as well. I don't think I've EVER seen anyone playing a fullsize double-bass outside of a symphony orchestra. They're loving HUGE.
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Jan 24, 2011 19:03
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I'm 6'1" and I played a 3/4 in college. It seemed to be about just right.
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Jan 24, 2011 19:45
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No one ever plays a full-size upright. Buy a 3/4 size.
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Jan 24, 2011 20:29
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Scarf posted:Well there's also 7/8s as well. I don't think I've EVER seen anyone playing a fullsize double-bass outside of a symphony orchestra. They're loving HUGE. Seventh Arrow posted:I'm 6'1" and I played a 3/4 in college. It seemed to be about just right. DEUCE SLUICE posted:No one ever plays a full-size upright. Buy a 3/4 size. OK, thanks for that. 3/4 it is then.
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Jan 24, 2011 21:09
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Scarf posted:How do you figure? The 405 is Mahogany and the 605 is Ash (same as the Fender/Lakland). Neither is really considered the lightest of woods. Average for both newer Fenders and Laklands is less than 10lbs. and in a lot of cases, less than 9.5lbs. Which is pretty standard across the industry. Well the P/J style bases have a very large and thick body on them vs the SR, and much meatier necks. Although I am aware the J neck is a bit thinner, the SR neck is roughly equivalent to a guitar neck albeit less wide across the fret board - so though you're talking heavier woods, there's a lot less of them. I've played many a 34" scale and none of them have been as light as my mahogany SR, other than the Thumb 4 which, body-wise, is honestly about 3/4 of the size of a J. Most of the Laklands I've seen are pretty much on par with Fenders for size/thickness, which is why I suggested that the SR would be lighter. I'd be curious to look at actual strung weights and be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. Edit: I am also aware what effect the lack of wood is going to have on sustain, so obviously it's not ideal for everybody.
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Jan 25, 2011 01:48
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Walked posted:So I'm looking for a 5-string. So after some soul searching; and dicking around at the store a whole lot. I ended up deciding what I wanted. Ended up with a Sterling Music Man Ray35 and a Big Muff PI pedal. I can get pretty much the tone I want with these guys (and a ton others) and god drat the bass spoke to me. Hooray?
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Jan 25, 2011 08:43
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Walked posted:So after some soul searching; and dicking around at the store a whole lot. I ended up deciding what I wanted. Coolness! But unless there are pics, you are making it all up! Much better choice than the 5 string Fender Jazz - those fretboards are huge! (and this is coming from an occasional six string bassist!)
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Jan 25, 2011 16:43
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Schatten posted:Coolness! But unless there are pics, you are making it all up! There will be pictures once I get it back from being setup. I am very excited!
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Jan 25, 2011 16:58
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Currently playing an Ibanez SR300 and enjoying it, but I'm in the market to treat myself for my birthday and I was considering one of the top-end new BC Rich Warlocks - purely from a technical standpoint are they worth the premium?
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Jan 25, 2011 18:07
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Southern Heel posted:Currently playing an Ibanez SR300 and enjoying it, but I'm in the market to treat myself for my birthday and I was considering one of the top-end new BC Rich Warlocks - purely from a technical standpoint are they worth the premium? Do you play metal? This limits your playing to... metal if you plan on playing with a band of any kind. There are older used warlocks you can pick up for cheap dollars - the real stuff made back in the 80's. There's one like I just linked to on GC's used section for 139.99, another for 299.99. Add in about 15-20 bucks for shipping and any applicable tax - quite a cheap bass even to toy around with at home. There's also a five string used for 349.99. If you want to go this route, go used. GC's used stuff, even if shipped to you, has a 30 day money back guarantee.
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I get an item-out-of-stock error when I look at that page, but I gather from the text we're talking about the same thing: http://www.bcrich.com/bass_nj_dlx_warlock.asp When you say 'you can only play metal', do you mean the sound is harsh? I'm not so fussed on what people think about the way it looks - I think it looks pretty neat and that's the whole point, isn't it? Does the hardware command the premium, or is it more about looks and status than quality? This is somewhat related because it's puzzling me - this song has a retardedly simple bassline, but I'm not sure how it's being achieved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ThppM3IhA The fast sections are G, G# repeated and then a couple of C's and back to the start. Right now I'm fretting with my index rolled across the G and C, then fretting the G# at the same time I'm hitting the string to get it fast enough. Is that about right?
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Jan 25, 2011 18:26
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Jesus, is Kittie still around?
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Jan 25, 2011 18:48
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Southern Heel posted:I get an item-out-of-stock error when I look at that page, but I gather from the text we're talking about the same thing: http://www.bcrich.com/bass_nj_dlx_warlock.asp Search the used section of GC's website for warlock. You'll see the prices i'm referring to. Metal - or 80's coverband rock, that would be the limitations because of the style of the bass in appearance only. No idea how they sound, but my guess would be better wood, construction and electronics. No idea! Don't take my word for it! Schatten fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jan 25, 2011 |
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Jan 25, 2011 19:22
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For basses equipped with EMGs (at least for most of the pickup models), it really doesn't matter what tone wood is used in the basses construction because you're not going to hear any of the nuances of it.
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Jan 25, 2011 19:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsuiVj3B9E0 Ed Friedland reviews the new Epiphone Zenith bass. As a big acoustic/hollowbody fan, it's nice to see something like this hitting the market.
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Jan 25, 2011 20:44
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Scarf posted:Ed Friedland reviews the new Epiphone Zenith bass. As a big acoustic/hollowbody fan, it's nice to see something like this hitting the market. Don't like the design, but it's the first time I hear a decent sound from a piezo. Actually prefer it over the regular pick-up's sound in that video.
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What's the cheapest envelope filter I can buy that doesn't sound like a fart in a paper bag?
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