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I just finished Coalescent(s?) and I'm about to start Exultant(s?). Am I reading stuff out of order, or did he just jump 20,000 years into the future out of nowhere after setting up the eusocial human potential so that it can be picked up later for some reason? Or are they just loosely related stories in the same universe?
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orange sky posted:Holy poo poo I had no idea that book 5 was out already. At least Ty Francke didn't learn his writing speed from GRRM 
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Aug 28, 2015 19:47
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Captain Monkey posted:I just finished Coalescent(s?) and I'm about to start Exultant(s?). Am I reading stuff out of order, or did he just jump 20,000 years into the future out of nowhere after setting up the eusocial human potential so that it can be picked up later for some reason? Or are they just loosely related stories in the same universe? Remember the center of our galaxy is some 20k-ish Ly away. It's always now, somewhere.
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Aug 28, 2015 22:27
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Guys? Do me a favor. If I ever attempt to buy another Peter F. Hamilton novel, take my Kindle, break it over my head and shove the pieces up my rear end. I read Pandora's Star and bought Judas Unchained and The Void Trilogy based on that. It appears that they are actually all the same book with minor changes in characters and places.
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Aug 28, 2015 22:46
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Mister Kingdom posted:Guys? Do me a favor. If I ever attempt to buy another Peter F. Hamilton novel, take my Kindle, break it over my head and shove the pieces up my rear end. And sex. Weird sex. Uncomfortable, vaguely illegal sex.
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Aug 28, 2015 22:56
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tribbledirigible posted:And sex. Weird sex. Uncomfortable, vaguely illegal sex. And enzyme-bonded concrete.
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Aug 28, 2015 23:49
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Great North Road is still his PFH's best and (nearly) most recent. No uncomfortable sex with youngins, is a pretty long book, and leaves you wanting more. (But not in the Jared Fogle way). It's almost like he's a better writer as he goes along... Even his most recent (Faller Chronicles) he talks about how sex with young women is uncomfortable,  !
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Aug 29, 2015 04:46
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Baloogan posted:start with chasm city Start with Prefect since it's the first, chronologically. Or do you guys think it's better to read it with the knowledge that everything goes to poo poo?
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Aug 29, 2015 05:11
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poo poo, right, before reading LOTR gotta read the entire silmarillion
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Aug 29, 2015 05:21
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Before reading Pride and Prejudice you definitely should read Herodotus: The Histories because it really sets up the backstory for the civilisation in the story
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Aug 29, 2015 05:25
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Hedrigall posted:Before reading Pride and Prejudice you definitely should read Herodotus: The Histories because it really sets up the backstory for the civilisation in the story Probably best to read the entire canon of western literature in case something turns out to be important. No translations, you have to read it in the original or you might miss something.
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Aug 29, 2015 16:49
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Biomute posted:I'm trying to read Revelation Space for the fourth time. I've only ever managed about 100 pages. The universe is drab and boring, there are too many characters, none of which are likable. Derelict space ships and desert planets? So original. Words words words, jump-cut to some other character every 4 pages. Why should I care about any of this? It's fine if you don't but I'd stop trying to read space operas if you don't like them.
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Aug 29, 2015 18:40
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pile of brown posted:It's fine if you don't but I'd stop trying to read space operas if you don't like them. There's a bunch of really good space opera out there. I don't see why this one gets so much love. It does an awful job introducing characters and pulling you in.
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Aug 29, 2015 19:00
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Biomute posted:There's a bunch of really good space opera out there. I don't see why this one gets so much love. It does an awful job introducing characters and pulling you in. What have you liked better?
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Aug 29, 2015 19:43
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Biomute posted:There's a bunch of really good space opera out there. I don't see why this one gets so much love. It does an awful job introducing characters and pulling you in. If you think Revelation Space is doing an awful job at introducing characters and pulling you in now, wait until you get to the last hundred pages of purestrain exposition because Alistair Reynolds decided to push the telling the story part of the story until the very end. Incidentally, I'm reading Chasm City (about a hundred pages in) and really enjoying it so far. It feels more natural so maybe he learned about pacing after Revelation Space or maybe the smaller scale(?) helped.
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Aug 30, 2015 01:50
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Yeah, the huge data dump at the end of revelation space really kills the ending's pacing. It was all stuff I'd have liked to know during the story...
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RVProfootballer posted:What have you liked better? Better introductory/first in a series/stand-alone space opera novels? The Warrior's Apprentice Old Man's War Dune A Fire Upon the Deep Hell, even On Basilisk Station and Heir to the Empire. Leviathan Wakes and Consider Phlebas have some of the same problems, but they do manage to keep your interest until the good bits.
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Aug 30, 2015 02:23
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Tanith posted:Start with Prefect since it's the first, chronologically. Or do you guys think it's better to read it with the knowledge that everything goes to poo poo? Prefect Chasm City Trilogy proper Galactic North
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Aug 30, 2015 06:07
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Well poo poo. Joel Shepherd (of Cassandra Kresnov fame) released his first book in a new milsf/space opera series, Renegade, earlier this month on Kindle/Kindle Unlimited. And I didn't even know. Looks like he'll be trying something new this time: writing with a male protagonist.
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Aug 30, 2015 14:37
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Mars4523 posted:Well poo poo. Joel Shepherd (of Cassandra Kresnov fame) released his first book in a new milsf/space opera series, Renegade, earlier this month on Kindle/Kindle Unlimited. And I didn't even know. Looks like he'll be trying something new this time: writing with a male protagonist. Awesome!!!! Will definitely have to check that out. I really like the CK novels, pulp as hell, but really entertaining.
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Aug 30, 2015 20:47
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thetechnoloser posted:Awesome!!!! Will definitely have to check that out. I really like the CK novels, pulp as hell, but really entertaining. Also, looking from the perspective of everyone else in the galaxy, humanity are the bad guys. They are the genocidal warrior race fighting alongside a bunch of brutal imperialists (and whatever the Alo are).
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Aug 31, 2015 19:52
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Just read Expanse #2, Caliban's War, and its fantastic. Everything I want from a space opera is right there. onto expanse #3, I've heard it isn't the best but so far this series has been pretty much perfect so I'm okay with not all the books being perfect.
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Also has anyone ever thought about milsf milfs?
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Baloogan posted:Just read Expanse #2, Caliban's War, and its fantastic. Everything I want from a space opera is right there. There isn't enough Avasarala in the later books.
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Baloogan posted:Just read Expanse #2, Caliban's War, and its fantastic. Everything I want from a space opera is right there. When reading Books #3 and #4 just know book #5 is just as good as #2.
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Baloogan posted:Also has anyone ever thought about milsf milfs? There aren't many. Most female milsif protagonists are presented as nubile but unattached. Honor Harrington, as much as I hate her Mary Sue-ishness, at least has hung around long enough to get married (though the less said about THAT arrangement, the better) and have kids. Indeed, the original plan, according to Weber, had been for Honor to die in "At All Costs" and then time-skip forward and have her kids be the protagonists going forward against the Mesans. Instead Weber chickened out, so now Honor does everything.  Keeping with Weber, in his collaboration with Steve White over in the Starfire novels, there's Vanessa Murakama, one of the stars of "In Death Ground" and "The Shiva Option" who has two adult daughters who are old enough to be in the Space Navy. Of course, Murakama has benefited from anti-aging treatments and thus still looks like a smoking hot twenty-something. Because it's apparently illegal to have a female milsf protagonist who isn't sexually attractive, even if she's an an admiral.  I'm (mostly) sure there are others, but none are leaping to mind off the top of my head.
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Cordelia from the Vorkosigan Saga?
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Yeah, she's presented as very nurturing, but the author makes a point of her liberal upbringing, education and resulting sexual mores. She gets pretty sultry in the later books. Likewise, Honor Harringtons mother is pretty much the same character.
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Sep 2, 2015 23:10
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gohmak posted:When reading Books #3 and #4 just know book #5 is just as good as #2. Just finished #5 and drat this is true. #3 and #4 are good stories, but not with the page-turning suspense that #5 brought back.
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Yeah, #5 (Nemesis Games) really answered a lot of my criticism about the series. Hard changes to the status quo, development for the boring crew, high stakes. I loved it.
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I struggled through 3 (seriously, gently caress that Mao sister), guess I just gotta do the same with 4 before I can get back to the good stuff.
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Hedrigall posted:I struggled through 3 (seriously, gently caress that Mao sister), guess I just gotta do the same with 4 before I can get back to the good stuff. 4 is pretty  but it's worth getting through. It has...uh, not that much to contribute to the overall arc, but there are a couple points of plot development that matter to the protomolecule/alien story.
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pork never goes bad posted:I don't get this - sure, the 3rd isn't as good as the rest, but even the bad books in the Expanse are better than much of what's discussed in this thread (and better than a lot of what I read!) Any similar books or series? Trying to expand out my space opera with Culture and Expanse under my belt. Goodreads is loving useless for this.
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Webbeh posted:Any similar books or series? Trying to expand out my space opera with Culture and Expanse under my belt. Goodreads is loving useless for this. Read Revelation Space? Classics like Dune and Foundation. gohmak fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Sep 3, 2015 |
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Mister Kingdom posted:And enzyme-bonded concrete. 
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Sep 3, 2015 03:37
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jng2058 posted:
Elizabeth Moon's Familias Regnant series?
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Sep 3, 2015 06:33
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Baloogan posted:Also has anyone ever thought about milsf milfs?
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Sep 3, 2015 06:36
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Old Man's War: milsf gilfs
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Tanith posted:There isn't enough Avasarala in the later books. I'm probably going to get some hate for this but I don't get the massive space boners people seem to have for her. Her whole "bad rear end grandma who swears a lot" got really old fast. Hedrigall posted:I struggled through 3 (seriously, gently caress that Mao sister), guess I just gotta do the same with 4 before I can get back to the good stuff. Yeah, book 3 is definitely the worst of the series. It took me awhile to get into 4 but overall it was a big improvement over 3. And it did have some pretty cool parts. The chapters from the POV of the consciousnesses that were trapped inside the ring constantly sending out messages and receiving no response were creepy as gently caress. Book 5 was a return to book 1 and 2 levels of awesomeness. They better not gently caress up the TV adaptation.
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Webbeh posted:Any similar books or series? Trying to expand out my space opera with Culture and Expanse under my belt. Goodreads is loving useless for this. Maybe give Pohl's Heechee saga a go. I was surprised at how modern it was, despite starting in the 1970s. Gateway is easily the best written, but the following books are also pretty fun. From the secnd book onwards, it kind of reminds me of Banks' work, actually. johnsonrod posted:I'm probably going to get some hate for this but I don't get the massive space boners people seem to have for her. Her whole "bad rear end grandma who swears a lot" got really old fast. This is entirely true.
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