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ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Quest For Glory II posted:

sakamoto actually does shut down all fan projects and he is actually hooked up to a bunch of wires in a lazurus pit like the troll man from dreamfall the longest journey

That's Miyamoto, not Sakamoto. Easy mistake to make.

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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Mr E posted:

I beat Yakuza 4 today. I really enjoyed the majority of the game, but the last boss gauntlet and end of the story was kinda bleh.

now play yakyza 5

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
poo poo, I still haven't beaten YAkuza 5 myself :sweatdrop:

I'm really excited about Yakuza 0 tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1G7WCTy_g8

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Sad realization: there aren't as many funny female pawns in Dragon's Dogma as there are dudes. This is frustrating because I prefer taking along a team of valkyries on missions and it seems like my choices are rather plain to look at.

I'm hoping it'll get more exciting as my level increases, as the later armor sets look cooler, I think.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

corn in the bible posted:

now play yakyza 5

I really want to play Yakuza 5. :( I cant wait for Zero in January.

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

corn in the bible posted:

now play yakyza 5

I've got that, I'll play it after playing some other games first like finishing LISA and playing Life is Strange since I've had it for about a year now.

Discount Viscount
Jul 9, 2010

FIND THE FISH!

ImpAtom posted:

That's Miyamoto, not Sakamoto. Easy mistake to make.

https://twitter.com/realshigerum/status/459436008233119744

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

ImpAtom posted:

That's Miyamoto, not Sakamoto. Easy mistake to make.

Activist fans start a movement to make SEGA refuse to let Sonic appear in any future Smash Bros. games until Nintendo recants on their anti-consumerist ways. Miyamoto is quoted as saying, "Fine I never liked the blue poo poo hanging out with Mario anyway."

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
There are different mindsets when it comes to games and business. Some companies go "ok we genuinely like our fans and want them engaged and they want to make fan projects so let's come up with a way they can do that, and also if we can, let's make money off that because money is good too, and if they're real good we'll hire them" and we get stuff like Valve, mod communities (monetized or not), Sega's recent changes, Paradox, etc.

Then we have companies that are like "we like our fans but ultimately this is our property to sell and promote and we need to protect our brand" like Nintendo and SE. And legally that's fine.

I sure prefer that first attitude though because I like the idea of collaborating with developers and other fans to create neat things and cultivating a community that feels invested in what they love because they are contributing to it. Nintendo got a taste of that with MarioMaker, so they are opening up in some ways but I wish they'd give their fans the kind of community their fans want. Even if sometimes Mario and Luigi kiss.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Nintendo's weird tendency towards control and secrecy is definitely one of the more offputting aspect of a "kid-friendly" company. They won't even let people ascertain if their consoles are made with slave labor or not. They probably aren't, but they don't want people knowing their precious manufacturing secrets.

Looper
Mar 1, 2012
you can ride on a giant mustache dog and he'll sniff out items for you in the new pokemon

Looper
Mar 1, 2012
also this region's professor moonlights as a luchador

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Lurdiak posted:

Nintendo's weird tendency towards control and secrecy is definitely one of the more offputting aspect of a "kid-friendly" company. They won't even let people ascertain if their consoles are made with slave labor or not. They probably aren't, but they don't want people knowing their precious manufacturing secrets.

Foxconn produces Nintendo's hardware, so the answer is yes to slave labor.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Edit: Eh, this isn't really gonna go anywhere good.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Nov 21, 2016

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
Don't make games using IP you don't own.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Okay, chat, weird question: are Pillars of Eternity/Tyranny any faster than the Shadowrun Returns/Dragonfall/HK games? The combat in those games was so slow and tedious it put me off of finishing Dragonfall, and while I'm interested in PoE and Tyranny, well - is it slow? Is it fast? I hope to spend most of my time reading, so how much is it interrupted by gameplay?

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Combat is in real time and plays like Baldurs Gate.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




real time with pausing to give orders

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Thank god, that sounds bearable.

I've never played Baldur's Gate, alas.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


The ending of Far Cry 3 is the most forced moral choice I've ever seen in a video game, ever. The game presents an out of nowhere dilemma where one choice is obviously wrong simply so it can subvert the main character's natural arc that he's been having throughout the entire game.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Lurdiak posted:

The ending of Far Cry 3 is the most forced moral choice I've ever seen in a video game, ever. The game presents an out of nowhere dilemma where one choice is obviously wrong simply so it can subvert the main character's natural arc that he's been having throughout the entire game.

The writer apparently honestly and genuinely thought people would buy into the power fantasy so much they'd go alone with it and then it turned out basically nobody loving did.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


ImpAtom posted:

The writer apparently honestly and genuinely thought people would buy into the power fantasy so much they'd go alone with it and then it turned out basically nobody loving did.

If the writer thought that, why is the choice to stay the bad ending.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/12/19/far-cry-3s-jeffrey-yohalem-on-racism-torture-and-satire/






ImpAtom posted:

Both Pokemon Uranium and AM2R directly steal content from existing games without any sort of attempt to get permission.
There are a million fangames that use graphics and sounds from old Nintendo games that Nintendo has never went after. The creators had no idea that Nintendo would go fangame murder crazy in these specific instances (and No Mario's Sky as well).

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416

http://supermariowar.supersanctuary.net/

http://stabyourself.net/mari0/

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

quote:

RPS: Do you not think there’s a danger of having your cake and eating it? You’re deliberately being a hokum story, you’re deliberately evoking lazy stereotypes, but at the same time, aren’t you just evoking lazy stereotypes?

Jeffrey Yohalem: Yes! Do you know what the name of the island is?! It’s Rook Island! Which means to fraud people! Look up the definition – the definition of “rook” is, someone that steals your money, or it’s a piece in chess. So this is an island that is a fraud. The point is, look under the surface. Not because the game is a fraud, the game is not a fraud, but the island is. What is going on on this island, and the clues are right there in front of you. In my mind it’s an interesting undertaking to take on some kind of examination of deeper issues like this, because like you said if people don’t examine it that way, then maybe they don’t see it? But like I told you, I was building a building that has four legs instead of six. If you don’t see those issues, the thing doesn’t make sense. I find it fascinating again, all the stuff that people are discussing on the internet, because you can see that the people who only looked at the surface are really uncomfortable. So much so that they keep discussing it. So to me that says that the story is not fitting. If the story functions correctly, like say Avatar – Avatar allows you to fit with the story. The story completes, then there’s nothing to discuss any more. So your brain goes, “Yes, I like it.” As humans we’re always looking for meaning, and for things to make sense. So if you miss the deeper meaning it doesn’t make sense any more.

The end of this story is very blatantly a subversion of any kinds of racist stereotypes. What I feel like what’s happened is to explain this story you need more than a soundbite, and I feel like a lot of people just glancingly looked at the thing and then got upset. They didn’t actually explore the whole game.

quote:

[Becoming agitated again] The sex scene [at the midpoint] – first Jason is shooting at that gigantic monster. He kills the monster, and it jump-cuts to him orgasming with Citra! He’s firing sperm at this gigantic monster, and then suddenly he’s on this alter with Citra, having sex with her, and then he thinks he’s the leader of the tribe and makes the big speech, and it’s his power fantasy!

This is the ramblings of an insane person

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Lurdiak posted:

If the writer thought that, why is the choice to stay the bad ending.

It's supposed to be a ~twist~ that by embracing the power fantasy you get tricked and get the bad ending or something. It's really staggeringly shockingly dumb.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


ImpAtom posted:

It's supposed to be a ~twist~ that by embracing the power fantasy you get tricked and get the bad ending or something. It's really staggeringly shockingly dumb.

That would work a lot better if the game didn't have literal magic in it.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
Whenever people talk about Far Cry 3, it reminds me that I'm so glad I didn't play it. It sounds like the main story was "watch your friends get raped" and the so-called fun side part was going around hunting endangered wild life. Why.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


bloodychill posted:

Whenever people talk about Far Cry 3, it reminds me that I'm so glad I didn't play it. It sounds like the main story was "watch your friends get raped" and the so-called fun side part was going around hunting endangered wild life. Why.

It's not all that bad. There isn't horrifying torture porn of your friends or anything, the bigger issue is you never actually get to know them very well outside of "Woah I'm glad you showed up/I am scared and want to escape". Meanwhile fighting two separate armies of bad guys and knifing bears is a lot more fun and the entire game's narrative is about how you've basically got no reason to ever leave with these 'friends' you barely know. Hell, the main character decides he's going to stay halfway through the game after killing the primary antagonist, then the game decides the story should keep going even though there's really nothing left to do except kill another less interesting villain and rescue one last friend. Then all of a sudden turns out your new island buddies are crazy and evil in the last 3 minutes of the game, and you have to make a stupid MORAL CHOICE.

It really is fun to run around and kill virtual endangered animals that infinitely regenerate.

Desperate Character
Apr 13, 2009
On the one hand Swapnote being reborn was great but on the other hand the DLC system can go gently caress itself. It costs about 10-11 dollars to get all basic colors and over 50 to get all the DLC!

the original gave you about 4-5 colors and you got stuff unlocked by play coins (when they were actually worth getting) :member:

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Lurdiak posted:

It's not all that bad. There isn't horrifying torture porn of your friends or anything, the bigger issue is you never actually get to know them very well outside of "Woah I'm glad you showed up/I am scared and want to escape". Meanwhile fighting two separate armies of bad guys and knifing bears is a lot more fun and the entire game's narrative is about how you've basically got no reason to ever leave with these 'friends' you barely know. Hell, the main character decides he's going to stay halfway through the game after killing the primary antagonist, then the game decides the story should keep going even though there's really nothing left to do except kill another less interesting villain and rescue one last friend. Then all of a sudden turns out your new island buddies are crazy and evil in the last 3 minutes of the game, and you have to make a stupid MORAL CHOICE.

It really is fun to run around and kill virtual endangered animals that infinitely regenerate.

That definitely makes it seem more appealing except that last bit about the moral choice. Ya know, games don't always need moral choices, especially when they're "be a sensible person" and "be a psychopath." That's not an interesting choice. Reminds me of hbomber's thing on Fallout 3.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


ImpAtom posted:

The writer apparently honestly and genuinely thought people would buy into the power fantasy so much they'd go alone with it and then it turned out basically nobody loving did.
What the writer did was he tried to save face by saying that his horrific writing was in fact satire and he hoped people would buy that (and they kinda did). When you just judge the game yourself it's really clear that there's nothing satirical about it, it is what it is without any hidden meaning or depth. There's absolutely nothing in the writer's interview that makes any sense when actually compared to the product he talks about.

That said, the best parts of Far Cry 3's writing are the villains. Even the side ones are cool and I enjoyed all of them. If only the devs gave the protagonist and his friends as much character then it would turn the story's quality around. It's still an enjoyable game though, I had a lot of fun with it and definitely don't regret playing through it.

Golden Goat
Aug 2, 2012

Pokemon Sun, Final Fantasy XV and SMTIV:Apocalypse is out pretty close together and I've still got Tyranny & Bloodbourne to go through.

Guys there's too many games coming out at the same time.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


bloodychill posted:

That definitely makes it seem more appealing except that last bit about the moral choice. Ya know, games don't always need moral choices, especially when they're "be a sensible person" and "be a psychopath." That's not an interesting choice. Reminds me of hbomber's thing on Fallout 3.

Yeah it's the only moral choice in the game and comes at the very end and feels super forced. It subverts the main character's arc of finding purpose on the island but not in an interesting way, just a cheap shock one. It's not like the game is super amazing story or character-wise anyway, it's just a really weird ending. It's like if Star Wars ended with Obi-Wan's ghost being like "Ok Luke now eat this baby to become a Jedi"

smuh
Feb 21, 2011

Palpek posted:

That said, the best parts of Far Cry 3's writing are the villains. Even the side ones are cool and I enjoyed all of them. If only the devs gave the protagonist and his friends as much character then it would turn the story's quality around. It's still an enjoyable game though, I had a lot of fun with it and definitely don't regret playing through it.
What's funny is if I remember correctly the main writer guy didn't want Vaas to be anything more than a minor character, but everyone else pressured him into making him a main baddy. Mostly because they loved the actor's performance and wanted more of him, which was the correct decision since he's still the only character I remember from that game!

Anyways while I liked FC3 enough when it came out, I think there's not much reason to play it anymore since FC4 is pretty much the same except slightly better in every single way, even took itself less seriously. The main villain I thought was really entertaining too but sadly very very underutilized.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Lurdiak posted:

Nintendo's weird tendency towards control and secrecy is definitely one of the more offputting aspect of a "kid-friendly" company. They won't even let people ascertain if their consoles are made with slave labor or not. They probably aren't, but they don't want people knowing their precious manufacturing secrets.
Disney are way more aggressive about this. Children's media companies are pretty strict about controlling their brand.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
The hamtaro games that nintendo made are so fuckin good

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


FirstAidKite posted:

The hamtaro games that nintendo made are so fuckin good

Ham-hams don't swear.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
I guarantee they have their own hamchat for curse words

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

not everyone is a slave to profanity. thank you ham hams

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Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

FirstAidKite posted:

I guarantee they have their own hamchat for curse words

The Resetti-esque one definitely had his own Ham-swears.

Probably had his own stash of Ham-booze as well.

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