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Funky See Funky Do posted:Yeah but humans have other traits as well. Fighting is the only thing Krogans like. They also like having sex.
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sneakyfrog posted:geez way to be a space racist. dickhead. I don't give a gently caress. Killed Wrex in 1, destroyed the cure in 2 and shut that lunatic Mordin down in 3.
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Mar 30, 2017 21:53
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't give a gently caress. Killed Wrex in 1, destroyed the cure in 2 and shut that lunatic Mordin down in 3. Space dick. 
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Mar 30, 2017 21:55
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't give a gently caress. Killed Wrex in 1, destroyed the cure in 2 and shut that lunatic Mordin down in 3. I was going to say you can kill Mordin in 2 as well, but then realised you wouldn't want to as he didn't do his heel turn on the genophage until 3
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Mar 30, 2017 21:55
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Funky See Funky Do posted:"We're planning a trip to another galaxy in a spirit of peace and exploration." I saw somewhere that they brought like 1200 Krogans out of 100,000 people. So, not a lot right out of the gate.
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Mar 30, 2017 21:56
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Spikeguy posted:I saw somewhere that they brought like 1200 Krogans out of 100,000 people. So, not a lot right out of the gate. To be fair, if they brought more Krogan the Kett would probably be a non-issue very quickly as the armored hyper violent space frogs just murderfucked every native species in the cluster. "Yeah I know our clans came here to change from our old ways but god drat I can see the appeal of just loving everything up for fun"
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Mar 30, 2017 21:58
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Kimsemus posted:To be fair, if they brought more Krogan the Kett would probably be a non-issue very quickly as the armored hyper violent space frogs just murderfucked every native species in the cluster. About that, check the latest multiplayer update video.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't give a gently caress. Killed Wrex in 1, destroyed the cure in 2 and shut that lunatic Mordin down in 3. i have to say that is the most offensive thing i have ever read on these godforsaken forums.
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Spikeguy posted:I saw somewhere that they brought like 1200 Krogans out of 100,000 people. So, not a lot right out of the gate. One is too many.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:08
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doingitwrong posted:I know the thread's decided that the writing in ME:A is bad and I know it's uncool to have feelings about pixels, but goddamn Hunting the Archon messed me up. Ha, I unknowingly brought Drack too. Best part is him calling Ryder out on his/her "we all gotta look after each other" rhetoric in later quests if the opportunity arises.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:08
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Funky See Funky Do posted:One is too many. 
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Mar 30, 2017 22:09
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doingitwrong posted:Way to be space racist about Krogans. In every ME game you meet multiple Krogans who are trying to make a better more enlightened life for their people, write poetry to the women/Asari they love, etc. The Krogans in ME:A are especially more likely to be like this, as they signed on for this mission to get away from the old cycles of violence. The rest came out here to be cool Krogans outlaws. "Dad said I was a Salarian in a Krogan body, joke's on him, I like the Salarians."
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Mar 30, 2017 22:11
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sneakyfrog posted:i have to say that is the most offensive thing i have ever read on these godforsaken forums. Seriously! With those choices you should be able to convince Mordin to help you keep them genophaged, instead of killing him.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:11
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If you kill Wrex you can persuade Mordin to sabotage the cure because Wrex's brother is a scary rear end in a top hat
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Mar 30, 2017 22:13
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Holy poo poo, Im in Eleendeen and can't find where this Krogan Brenck goes after he asks to talk privately, the pointer doesn't help at all.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:13
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Kimsemus posted:That's because humans excel at other things, and Krogan really only excel at fighting. The existence of the Kett was why choosing a Krogan ambassador should be a no brainer. That and why wouldn't you want more chill Krogan around?
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fruit on the bottom posted:Seriously! Nah it's too much of a risk to keep someone that knows how to cure the genophage alive. Besides, I'm not too fond of Salarians either.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:16
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Fojar38 posted:If you kill Wrex you can persuade Mordin to sabotage the cure because Wrex's brother is a scary rear end in a top hat Eve also has to be dead, I think
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fruit on the bottom posted:Eve also has to be dead, I think Wrex has to be dead, Eve has to be dead, and you have to have destroyed Maelon's research.
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Kurieg posted:Wrex has to be dead, Eve has to be dead, and you have to have destroyed Maelon's research. Destroying Maelon's research is what kills Eve isn't it?
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Captain Oblivious posted:There was a time when I agreed with you. But nowadays I'm not really sure that cultivating stories about inevitable race wars is an actually worthwhile goal no matter how much internally consistent setting lore you dress it up in. Look at this post.
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My video game stories must be ideologically pure or people will learn The Wrong Things, gamers might start thinking that genocide is okay and RAHOWA is inevitable.
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Mar 30, 2017 22:38
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Milky Moor posted:My video game stories must be ideologically pure or people will learn The Wrong Things, gamers might start thinking that genocide is okay and RAHOWA is inevitable. can we quit dropping those poo poo things in here, whatever you want to play your game like a sociopath cool, can you drop the drat nazi poo poo?
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In the year 3017, after the arch-fascist known only as The Shepard has sterilised elements on Earth's population with a stillbirth plague, holding copies of Mass Effect will be seen in the same light as people who possess copies of Mein Kampf.
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doingitwrong posted:I know the thread's decided that the writing in ME:A is bad and I know it's uncool to have feelings about pixels, but goddamn Hunting the Archon messed me up. More and more folks are saying the same. It's a great quest, the best in the game and maybe the series, boosted by its presence on the critical path.
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Wiseblood posted:Destroying Maelon's research is what kills Eve isn't it? Oh, yeah. Still.
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sneakyfrog posted:can we quit dropping those poo poo things in here, whatever you want to play your game like a sociopath cool, can you drop the drat nazi poo poo? I'm not the one who said that the Genophage quest line tells gamers that there are "inevitable race wars", but I'm the nazi? 
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Milky Moor posted:I'm not the one who said that the Genophage quest line tells gamers that there are "inevitable race wars", but I'm the nazi? i meant the lingo, i was trying to ask nicely 
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Milky Moor posted:In the year 3017, after the arch-fascist known only as The Shepard has sterilised elements on Earth's population with a stillbirth plague, holding copies of Mass Effect will be seen in the same light as people who possess copies of Mein Kampf. "The legions stand at the ready mein fuhrer. What are your commands?" … … … "I should go."
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On the other hand you don't know how many survive on the Ark and you know the Krogan are safe and here. It makes sense to do what you did and while Drack's response is understandable it is way over the top. Also lovely writing, granted it's a common theme across the entire series. The only reason that situation exists is because you leave 2/3rds of your team behind on every mission.
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BrianWilly posted:According to Vetra, Cora literally carries an Asari prayerbook around with her. Cora is asari like Steven Seagal is Japanese. Except she can fight
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Nah it's dumb as hell. Krogan's are at best a huge risk on an already risky venture. At worst they're a guaranteed issue that's going pop up as soon as they arrive, revolt and then form their own hostile colony that will immediately attempt to develop a weapon of mass destruction. It's not a scientific expedition, they're bugging out half-cocked because the fuckin' Reapers are coming. 
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Are the krogan inherently biologically violent and incompatible with galactic civilization, or are they violent because of their culture and history? I think that's the crux of the issue on whether or not the genophage is justified, and part of what makes this tricky like the mage thing in Dragon Age is that you can tell the writers have no loving idea what they're doing, as a group. Some are clearly in camp A and others are clearly in camp B, and no one bothers to make sure it's cohesive. You could say this is intentional to represent differing points of view and you need to read between the lines etc., but I don't buy it. I think it's just sloppy, but because it gets them lots of feedback they assume that 'moral ambiguity' is a big draw and not that nerds like to argue over anything ambiguous. Basically I can find strong evidence on either side of the genophage issue if I want to, anyone can, but it doesn't mean anything because different writers believe different things behind the scenes. But on the other hand it's sure weird that Bioware keeps positing scenarios that are 'what if genocide....was sometimes good??' I doubt it's sinister race war prepping, but God it's dumb and lazy.
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They are inherently, biologically violent.
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rio posted:Anyone have recommendations on Infiltrator skills? Cloak of course but I am struggling on the other two. I have concussive shot and flame thrower right now - concussive shot to knock over some asses and flamethrower if anyone gets too close to me. I am still playing as a sniper essentially so I am not sure if my skills make sense and if there are better options? This is single player btw. My build is basically sniper/pistol, cloak/fireball/the one that steals shield, and then heavy heavy into melee. Asari sword is pretty good imo, but it's slow so I picked the cloak option that lets shields regenerate instead of it stays on for a few seconds after you do an action. I think it might be too slow to really benefit from the kung fu melee chain perk, but even when I had a level 2 sword I could kill guys in one hit, and if you have a few next to each other the damage boost is noticeable. You can roll single tough guys even if they have full health and shields, and the damage bonus from that perk is also noticeable then, but it's easy to miss cloaked guys and do stupid poo poo like fall off a cliff or get trapped in world geometry if you're sloppy with your strikes. From what I can see the Asari sword does the most damage out of any melee weapon and attacking with it is basically a free dodge. Doesn't seem to be an actual teleport that lets you pass through walls, and it absolutely will not jump you vertically, only horizontal. Also picked the combat passives that keep you on the ground instead of the ones that let you air fight. Went into options that extend cloak and tech effects. I can bring 3 guns but only take 2 because having short cooldowns helps a lot. Fireball chains with the shield steal so you can basically blow up weak guys for free and it charges back up within a few seconds. Stealing shields is also helpful because cloak won't let them recharge unless you pick the level six perk that lets you. I need to figure out how I want to go with the pistol/sniper/combat fitness though. They all give options to boost ammo and I don't think I want to double down on it. Focusing on melee means I rarely have to worry about ammo but you can't really take on bosses unless you have guns. Mods choice is basically: "does it boost melee damage? It's in" and then whatever else I feel like, usually scope. I have most of my augments in the actual sword, but it seems hit or miss what kinds of augs can go on a melee. The remnant mods that have drawbacks or whatever tend to suck poo poo, the ones I have make me too fragile for this play style to work. Cloak really lets you pick and choose how to fight and you can just bail out of a lovely situation and then slip back in to kill advantageously. The scope vision also helps with this style of picking and choosing. I've never swapped profile even once. A lot of the tech passives seem to be focused on engineer though, so I dunno. Maybe I should give it another look.
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Duder X posted:They are inherently, biologically violent. I guess I should clarify: obviously, to an extent, but to what extent? What's nature and what's nurture? Like the Spartans were an insane war culture and Aztecs liked to rip hearts out for the sun gods, is that kind of ultra violent culture inherent to humans biologically? Or do different cultures emphasize different values? You're totally justified in your statement, just to be clear. I just don't see much point in arguing about krogan nature vs. nurture when it's such a mess from a narrative standpoint. Personally I choose to help the krogan because a) they're fun b) headbutts and c) there will never be negative consequences for helping the krogan within a time span relevant to the game so it doesn't matter. Also, d) because I think the 'but what if you had to make a Hard Choice about genocide, huh??' is just lazy. Wow, what a moral dilemma, makes u think.
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Tiny Deer posted:I guess I should clarify: obviously, to an extent, but to what extent? What's nature and what's nurture? Well, it's both, isn't it? The Krogan were a species whose evolutionary advantages in response to an overwhelmingly hostile environment - strength, toughness, age, extreme adrenal responses, huge birth rate - began to handicap them once they were the dominant species on their planet. This led to numerous wars and events that led to the Krogan who were most adept at surviving becoming more prominent, and therefore reproducing. This is how the so-called 'blood rage' became much more of a problem in Krogan society, whereas previously it'd been a bit of a curiosity they could treat medically and/or handle by separating those afflicted from normal Krogan society, it soon became a common occurrence. They have a disposition to violent behavior (due to an extreme fight-or-flight response, and a general ability to win almost any fight on an equal footing) and their culture facilitates it further. Wrex, for example, thinks he can fight Krogan nature by establishing a better culture for the Krogan. The Krogan are some of the most alien aliens in a universe where the rest are basically Star Trek forehead-aliens, and that seems to genuinely throw people whenever the Genophage is discussed because people - like Oblivious - leap right to the worn out 'we're all the same, aliens are people too' analogy. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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SubponticatePoster posted:Things like that are great. It's Hot take: Liam is the Sera of MEA
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