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Krile as a tank job, throwing shade at Alphinaud as he heals her.
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theironjef posted:I like the idea of a one pistol, one cutlass Pirate class that works a little like a non-magical version of the Red Mage, but I don't know how Krile would lead into it. Obviously she gets an eyepatch and a shoulder colibri. combining this with the "scouting should be dual wielding" idea to make a class that's just cervantes from soul calibur
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May 20, 2023 04:51
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Lord_Magmar posted:Krile is probably whatever new healer or caster they do. The Scouting job would probably not be her thing no. At the dramatic climax of the story, Krile lowers her hood to instead put on a conical party hat. About 13% of the playerbase throws a three-month party, nobody else quite gets it.
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May 20, 2023 05:15
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:
It’s not her’s. That’s Maroya’s Crystal
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May 20, 2023 05:57
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theironjef posted:I like the idea of a one pistol, one cutlass Pirate class that works a little like a non-magical version of the Red Mage, but I don't know how Krile would lead into it. Obviously she gets an eyepatch and a shoulder colibri. Wasn't that the original idea? Basically the Corsair from XI with Merlwyb being the "iconic" example for that, but then they went with MCH instead?
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May 20, 2023 06:07
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the_steve posted:Wasn't that the original idea? Basically the Corsair from XI with Merlwyb being the "iconic" example for that, but then they went with MCH instead? Basically. Even back in 1.0 there was an idea for a Musketeer class (there's still signage for it in Limsa), but it eventually mutated into Machinist. I've always thought it was because 'Shoots Good' just isn't enough for an MMO moveset.
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May 20, 2023 07:47
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Cleretic posted:Basically. Even back in 1.0 there was an idea for a Musketeer class (there's still signage for it in Limsa), but it eventually mutated into Machinist. 'Just Guns' is a hard design space to work with, about the only way you'd be able to make a functional gunner character in XIV and make it feel correct would have to be something like Gene Starwind's Caster. And at that point you got a Gun Wizard.
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May 20, 2023 07:58
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Gearhead posted:And at that point you got a Gun Wizard. Wouldn't be the first 
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May 20, 2023 08:02
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Qwertycoatl posted:Wouldn't be the first That's just Blue Mage with extra steps.
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May 20, 2023 08:16
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Qwertycoatl posted:Wouldn't be the first There are worse places to mine for content. Here's an option for Krile being, somehow, involved in the reveal of whatever the next Job is without her being something uncharacteristic: Have it be a combat technique the Sons have uncovered and she comes to the WoL for help in figuring out how it worked. It certainly wouldn't be the first time we basically created the modern interpretation of a lost (or foreign) art of some sort. G'raha seems to be the one doing the heavy lifting on Mysteries of the Realm, which leaves me wondering what SHE is doing.
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May 20, 2023 08:19
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Gearhead posted:'Just Guns' is a hard design space to work with, about the only way you'd be able to make a functional gunner character in XIV and make it feel correct would have to be something like Gene Starwind's Caster. And at that point you got a Gun Wizard. 'Just Bows' is hard for basically the same reason, which is why we have Bard instead of Hunter. It's actually sort of a fun situation; pretty much every MMO has had to grapple with this problem, and very few of them end up with the same solutions. My favorite was always City of Heroes, who leaned into the fact they were making a superhero game and made their 'bow', 'rifle' and 'pistols' movesets into Green Arrow, Rob Liefeld and John Woo pastiches respectively.
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May 20, 2023 08:28
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WoW more or less manages it by making it a choice between "Animal Man Dan" "Melee Animal Man Dan, but less animal" and "Perfect shot, no animals". It isn't always perfect, but Marksmanship does a lot out of "Just guns/bows/crossbows". In any case, this discussion is why I think Gambler with dual-pistols is a reasonable option for Scouting, since there's at least a thematic link between gambling and six-shot revolvers at minimum.
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May 20, 2023 10:52
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I remember some discussion of alchemist, wandering into battle dual weilding potions and flasks with a lot of grenade like skills would be pretty funny. Pretty sure that idea eventually turned into sage though.
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May 20, 2023 11:34
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FunkyFjord posted:I remember some discussion of alchemist, wandering into battle dual weilding potions and flasks with a lot of grenade like skills would be pretty funny. Chemist has been aborted twice now. First time it got blended with Musketeer and became Machinist, second time it became Sage. That definitely says there's will to make Chemist, but it just hasn't come together.
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May 20, 2023 13:12
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Chemist might make more sense as a DPS than a healer in FF14 tbh
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May 20, 2023 13:30
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What would you do? Poison people? Throw acid at them? Seems a bit less honorable than punching or slicing them
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May 20, 2023 13:42
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FuturePastNow posted:What would you do? Poison people? Throw acid at them? Seems a bit less honorable than punching or slicing them Yeah haha can you imagine inflicting the nonstop burning of a theoretical sun on your foes
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May 20, 2023 13:47
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The WoL encounters a disillusioned and recently unemployed Gleaner who gifts them their soul stone after it reacts to the WoL's ambiguously sized bag. the job is a mix of Gambler and Chemist as you pull random poo poo out of your bag to Use against the enemy in various combinations like Rikku. You periodically get salaries from Sharlayan the more you walk around on foot like in FF8. Scouting gear
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May 20, 2023 13:51
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100's of millions dead thanks to Riqi-Tio's invention, dynamite
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May 20, 2023 13:59
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mascot job a la X2
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May 20, 2023 14:10
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Gearhead posted:'Just Guns' is a hard design space to work with, about the only way you'd be able to make a functional gunner character in XIV and make it feel correct would have to be something like Gene Starwind's Caster. And at that point you got a Gun Wizard. As someone who loves Outlaw Star to an unreasonable degree, I cannot fully express how ok I would be with letting my character have a Caster Gun.
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May 20, 2023 14:39
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Chillgamesh posted:Chemist might make more sense as a DPS than a healer in FF14 tbh Just make Chemist a tank who is constantly drinking their own potions/experimenting on themselves. Literally just Singed from League as a Chemist Tank.
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May 20, 2023 14:43
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Where was it stated that Sage and the defunct Muskateer were supposed to be chemist?
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May 20, 2023 14:43
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Chillgamesh posted:Chemist might make more sense as a DPS than a healer in FF14 tbh I love the idea of Chemist as a Scouting job with, like, darts or Arkham Scarecrow-style syringe-claws, and I do think it'd work as sort of an alternative take on the mudra system; slap together different reagents for different effects. Ibram Gaunt posted:Where was it stated that Sage and the defunct Muskateer were supposed to be chemist? For Sage, turns out, it was Gamer Escape that asked! (I think other sources did too, I vaguely recall first reading this from a site with a cooler color palette, but this is the one I found) Unfortunately I can't dig up similar for Machinist, at least on short notice.
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May 20, 2023 15:20
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I hope the next job is a healer that uses scouting gear
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May 20, 2023 15:29
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Personally, I want 5 new Jobs, one each for Tank, Healer, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, and Caster DPS. And they all dual weild Shields.
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May 20, 2023 15:31
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Cleretic posted:I love the idea of Chemist as a Scouting job with, like, darts or Arkham Scarecrow-style syringe-claws, and I do think it'd work as sort of an alternative take on the mudra system; slap together different reagents for different effects. Cool, thank you.
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May 20, 2023 15:32
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I think you can see pretty clearly the outlines of chemist in sage and also why it doesn't work. Eukrasia is a nothing ability that doesn't seem in any way to go towards the sage class fantasy (of...nu Gundam healer? I don't really Get sage), it's just a toggle you hit on your DOT and a bunch of abilities you probably aren't usually using. but it makes a ton of sense to me as mix, with eukrasia representing the vestige of a system where you change abilities by "mixing" them with different eukrasia-type buttons. personally I would not want to play an all-eukrasia class, which seems like it could be frustratingly unresponsive and unintuitive. just a theory but knowing that sage derives partly from chemist designs, it makes the most sense to me. unfortunately dps chemist seems to share a lot of design space with both ninja (mudras) and bard (party buffs). actually ninja also has a significant party buff (well, enemy debuff) too ig
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May 20, 2023 15:43
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Dancer should have been a tank job. It's all about being the center of attention.
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May 20, 2023 16:23
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we could go for more jobs that use shields tbh if only because it feels like a glamour dresser tax to have both swords and shields in there
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May 20, 2023 16:31
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blatman posted:I hope the next job is a healer that uses scouting gear My dumb wishlist item is a non-magical combat medic themed healer, they could use scouting gear
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May 20, 2023 16:32
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They really couldn't, a healer with a non-healer armor type just isn't going to happen. I mean, they could, but they're probably not going to do that.
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May 20, 2023 16:33
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I'd be down for scouting to be a kind of green mage/geomancer. It could wield a bell-mace.
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May 20, 2023 16:55
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the_steve posted:As someone who loves Outlaw Star to an unreasonable degree, I cannot fully express how ok I would be with letting my character have a Caster Gun. Gunbreaker is the closest we'll get to that, but the cartridges are just pure energy and the user still shapes them for special effects (healing, a shield) like a normal magic user person. Except Thancred, who just dumps raw energy into the blade.
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May 20, 2023 17:07
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Gunbreaker is the closest we'll get to that, but the cartridges are just pure energy and the user still shapes them for special effects (healing, a shield) like a normal magic user person. No he doesn't, Thancred needs other people to make the cartridges for him, that's why he can initially only use cartridge attacks with Ryne in the party, but later on she teaches Y'shtola and Urianger so they can do it too. Oh wait, I just reread what you're saying. In any case the Cartridges are made of Aether yes, and Thancred uses them for the Cartridge spending attacks but needs other people to give him the cartridges regardless. I don't think the healing/shield are meant to be cartridge based (which is why they don't cost a cartridge).
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May 20, 2023 17:09
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Yes, I meant he dumps raw energy from the cartridges into the blade, no refinement due to no aether control. His movesets as a trust are actually surprisingly limited, especially if someone who can provide cartridges is absent. Thankfully this is aesthetic and does not effect his damage output. Those moves don't spend a gameplay cartridge, no, but a lot of moves are obviously cartridges being fired. Gunmetal Soul has you firing an entire set of them to create the LB3 shield, for example.
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May 20, 2023 17:15
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I could see chemist working as one of those other limited jobs Yoshi P mentions from time to time. Gotta collect the parts to make the pots then you get the cool moves. I've always felt like the way to finish what they started with blue mage was to take a bunch of class concepts that work with monsters but won't get made into full classes (artist, monster tamer, mimic/whatever Gau is, calculator) and have them all he able to form parties and run content together.
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May 20, 2023 18:08
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Cleretic posted:Unfortunately I can't dig up similar for Machinist, at least on short notice. Valentin's likely on the money for Eukrasia being another go at Mix.
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May 20, 2023 18:14
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the_steve posted:As someone who loves Outlaw Star to an unreasonable degree, I cannot fully express how ok I would be with letting my character have a Caster Gun. They could do this, it's one of the gimmicks I think about when I idly daydream about a cutlass and pistol pirate. Give them slow ninjutsu basically. Which is to say, an ogcd called load with a 10 second cooldown that gives you a bullet, up to 3 and then a gcd called fire where you shoot your gun and it does something different based on bullet count. Like 1 bullet would be a damage buff, 2 an aoe and 3 a big ST hit if I wanted to be boring about it. Would give scouting gear a core gimmick in the same way striking jobs attack fast (so does nin yes I know shh) and maiming jobs are more slow. Would also give them a reverse red mage combo where you leap out, do a series of fast ranged attacks and then swing back in for a big melee hit. Make their gap closer swinging around on a rope out of nowhere and kicking people.
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May 20, 2023 18:32
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theyre going to add beastmaster as a new limited scouting job and piss everyone off
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