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joat mon posted:And in the apparently rare event that you like what you're doing, you'll live in a trailer and spend your commute hoping that your 18 year old car with 249,000 miles on it doesn't break before you get the 20 year old car with 317,000 miles on it fixed*. This is perfectly accurate, but to be fair, I live with my parents and not a trailer 
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echopapa posted:But which suits should you wear when eating tacos on your island? The ones least likely to grow mold, I learned the hard way.
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Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was just below 3 which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14.
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Elotana posted:Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was a two-point-anything which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was a 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14.
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Elotana posted:Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was just below 3 which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14.
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Does anyone here practice in Alaska? My wife's firm is in need of local counsel to file a motion for a writ of garnishment. PM me or post contact info if you're interested.
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Ersatz posted:When we interview laterals we generally don't pay attention to GPA unless it's shockingly low - we're far more interested in what the candidates have done since graduation. Also, to my knowledge, no one I work with assumes that the GPAs of experienced candidates are bad if they're not listed.
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Elotana posted:Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was just below 3 which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14. I wouldn't even list those numbers if I were still in school. In fact, I am in school and don't list those numbers. My LGPA is 3.low as well. Edit: Though most of the jobs I've been applying for require a transcript anyway, so they see it there. But the labor and intelligence jobs that I'm applying to these days that don't ask for transcripts aren't going to see my GPA.
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Elotana posted:Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was just below 3 which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14. I agree with everyone else that it's probably not productive to list your GPAs (especially not your undergraduate) on your resume, but there's a good chance you'll get asked about them anyway and should be prepared to provide transcripts upon request. You'll definitely want to have explanations ready for anything that stands out as abnormally low. I've lateraled twice and even though I had ~2 years of experience the first time and ~4 years the second time, I was asked for my law school transcripts both times as part of the hiring process. The first firm (an IP boutique) also requested my undergraduate transcript, which nearly cost me the job (I was flat out told that if I had been applying for a first year position, my undergrad GPA would have eliminated me from contention). This was for a patent prosecution position though, and I can't imagine anyone would care what you did in undergrad otherwise.
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I've never put my UGPA or GPA on my resume since I was still a student. I've lateraled twice. I've never had anyone ask me what my GPA was. Some places asked for a transcript but most didn't including the places that eventually hired me. Elotana I would be happy to critique your resume. PM or you can email me at a gmail address that is my username at gmail, no spaces.
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Ogmius815 posted:Honestly? I enjoy reading legal documents in my spare time Direwolf posted:Listen. My career services was a joke, they knew nothing about what I wanted to do and the only time I got real help was after I graduated and they hired a new person. But I recognized that before my 1L summer and have just done it all on my own without them, since then. I envy your relentless optimism, yet at the same time despise you for it
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Elotana posted:Is there any good reason to have GPA on my resume at this point? A headhunter is telling me to put them there but I suspect he might not know what he's doing. I've been working for 3+ years and have lots of big case experience with a smattering of trial team stuff. My UGPA was just below 3 which seems to be a universal resume no-no, and my LGPA was 3.low which firms are savvy enough to know is below median at a T14. When I see lateral candidates who list their GPA on their poo poo-stained resumes I personally find it really loving weird. It's usually like a 2.4 from Cooley Tulsa, too
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What's the worst case of leaving your GPA off the resume? They assume you have a bad GPA. But you do have a bad GPA. So worst case leaving it off is the same as leaving it on, but if you leave it on you're affirmatively reminding them you have a bad GPA and that, since you put it on the resume, you think it's relevant for some reason.
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Soothing Vapors posted:When I see lateral candidates who list their GPA on their poo poo-stained resumes I personally find it really loving weird. It's usually like a 2.4 from Cooley Tulsa, too Literally poo poo-stained, huh? Potential applicants can't afford toilet paper so they use their resumes to wipe their asses, but then they can't afford to print more resumes so they recycle the soiled ones? :diealone:
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Unamuno posted:Literally poo poo-stained, huh? Potential applicants can't afford toilet paper so they use their resumes to wipe their asses, but then they can't afford to print more resumes so they recycle the soiled ones? I assume the poo poo is on their grubby little unemployed fingers, likely from digging through dumpsters and toilets for sustenance, and then simply transfers over to the resume
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Soothing Vapors, two years ago posted:Partner, assigning me (nonbillable) research topic: "I remember reading a case on this a while ago. Find that one. I think I found it by searching on Lexis" Didnt even realize it until she was out of my office We become what we hate
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Enigma posted:Does anyone here practice in Alaska? My wife's firm is in need of local counsel to file a motion for a writ of garnishment. PM me or post contact info if you're interested. I am a DA so I don't even know what a writ of garnishment is. But I do work in Alaska. If it is family law related pm me I know some good firms. I do know garnishment is easy up here since we get free money every year! If you need random other civil poo poo I can give you some numbers to call at least. I can't figure out how to pm on the mobile app 
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BigHead posted:I am a DA so I don't even know what a writ of garnishment is. But I do work in Alaska. If it is family law related pm me I know some good firms. I do know garnishment is easy up here since we get free money every year! If you need random other civil poo poo I can give you some numbers to call at least. It's not family related. In short, her firm is looking to enforce a judgment against a franchisor by garnishing its franchisee in Alaska. I would definitely appreciate the contacts. Check your PMs Enigma fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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I was in a group training session at the court today. Another one of the new judicial assistants is a licensed attorney.
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That's fairly common here too. A lot of the judges use their assistant position to hire someone to act as a second clerk, even though they're paid slightly less and it's less prestigious. We also have a program where licensed attorneys are basically free interns while job hunting. It's demoralizing, but I'm also pretty sure it's the only reason I have my current job (which is great) so I can't knock it too much.
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A Game of Chess posted:That's fairly common here too. A lot of the judges use their assistant position to hire someone to act as a second clerk, even though they're paid slightly less and it's less prestigious. There's prestige? I'm supposed to be getting prestige for this gig? No one told me that! We're in our second week on a med mal trial and I am ready for the thing to be over. I have to imagine the attorneys trying the case are even more weary.
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It's more for when you're applying afterward. That might not have been the best word to use.
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Soothing Vapors posted:I just basically did this to a first year lmbo Well at least she won't waste time searching westlaw Ainsley McTree fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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The head partner at my firm was this close to dropping Westlaw because he got into some dumb TEXAS STYLE DEPOSITION pissing match with their rep over pricing. He literally asked me "what's out there that's free that we could use instead." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2BGsqtY1o0
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Elotana posted:The head partner at my firm was this close to dropping Westlaw because he got into some dumb TEXAS STYLE DEPOSITION pissing match with their rep over pricing. He literally asked me "what's out there that's free that we could use instead." I can't believe the US doesn't have a free service like this. It's 2014! I still use quicklaw since I'm used to it, but I can't think of a single partner at work who uses anything but canlii.
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burf posted:I can't believe the US doesn't have a free service like this. It's 2014! Creating a free service would require wresting money out of the hands of powerful lawyers. I for one can believe that we have no such thing.
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Google scholar is pretty darn good for free.
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Roger_Mudd posted:Google scholar is pretty darn good for free. Was going to post this. Also, your state bar may offer something like Fastcase for free, which isn't bad for verifying things that you found on Google Scholar.
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ulmont posted:Was going to post this. Also, your state bar may offer something like Fastcase for free, which isn't bad for verifying things that you found on Google Scholar. Mine does CaseMaker. Which I'm not in love with, but I can at least tell attorneys about when they're trying to find a way around paying for Westlaw.
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A coworker of mine who went to John Marshall just told me that every semester, professors give books to the library that they don't want, and the library sells them for a dollar. He buys them all and takes them to the bookstore and sells them for $40+ a pop and has made a grand every time. I'm unreasonably excited about doing this at other law schools, and I recognize how pathetic this is at the same time.
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mastershakeman posted:A coworker of mine who went to John Marshall just told me that every semester, professors give books to the library that they don't want, and the library sells them for a dollar. He buys them all and takes them to the bookstore and sells them for $40+ a pop and has made a grand every time. I'm unreasonably excited about doing this at other law schools, and I recognize how pathetic this is at the same time. finally, a way to make money with a degree from John Marshall
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Soothing Vapors posted:finally, a way to make money with a degree from John Marshall I wish that guy was here right now to read that, it was pretty sick
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I went to law school, have $0 in debts, and make six figures working from home. Go to law school.
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SA Lawyer & Law School Megathread posters HATE this man!
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I spent all day dealing with a vertical/horizontal choice of law issue. My brain feels like Jello.
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Ainsley McTree posted:SA Lawyer & Law School Megathread posters HATE this man! Things he omitted: Has an engineering degree. Isn't practicing as a lawyer. Will eventually turn into Baruch Obamawitz.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I went to law school, have $0 in debts, and make six figures working from home. Burn the witch.
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Does anyone here know how well JSDs/SJDs from T14s are valued overseas? I am currently doing an LLM at LSE in London (specialising in international tax) and I'm thinking of doing a doctorate in the US. I know the programme director at Ann Arbor, and I think I could swing an SJD there in 2015, but the one thing I'm worried about is how that will look overseas compared to a PhD from an equivalent university (either another T14 in the US or Oxbridge here in the UK). For background, my career goals are to work in tax in either academia or to swing a policy job at national government / OECD level. Any thoughts?
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How can a law school like Regent continue to exist in an environment like this? I can see if there's a GOP administration like the GW Bush one there's an automatic job market for true believers, but how can anyone from a school like that get any kind of job when there isn't? Speaking of which, have any schools shuttered their doors since the job market fell in?
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Zwabu posted:How can a law school like Regent continue to exist in an environment like this? I can see if there's a GOP administration like the GW Bush one there's an automatic job market for true believers, but how can anyone from a school like that get any kind of job when there isn't?
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