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Rand Brittain posted:That website was incredibly weird because somebody recreated, fixed, or found a bunch of Old World of Darkness PDFs that were previously only available as lovely scans and put them up for sale without telling anybody. Like, we're talking dozens of books that were only available on this one website that nobody knew about, which now no longer exists, and which haven't shown up on DriveThru yet. (Matt McElroy tells me that they basically sent him a giant heap of files when the website shut down and he hasn't had time to sort them all out into usable order yet.) All I remember of the website was it was terrible to try and navigate and lol gently caress you if you wanted to sort things beyond "Hey here's a whole bunch of Vampire stuff, you figure it out" Reading Swedracula's tone deaf "I got fired but it's because I was just too cool maaaan" blog post has made me incredibly happy. And gives me mild hope this New New World of Darkness won't be a complete train wreck after all. Lol gently caress Swedracula.
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I was watching What We Do In The Shadows (movie) and got to wondering: do ghouls ever make the jump to vampire in oWoD? I know the lady in the movie isn't a ghoul or otherwise following game rules. Maybe there's something wacky about the vampire blood in a ghoul that keeps them from being convertible?
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May 17, 2019 07:05
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SuperKlaus posted:I was watching What We Do In The Shadows (movie) and got to wondering: do ghouls ever make the jump to vampire in oWoD? I know the lady in the movie isn't a ghoul or otherwise following game rules. Maybe there's something wacky about the vampire blood in a ghoul that keeps them from being convertible? They absolutely can but vampires are generally insanely hesitant about elevating disposable mortal servants to the slightly-less-disposable rank of full vampire. Most ghouls really want them to, though, and push for the Embrace like they're hounding their boss for a raise.
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May 17, 2019 07:23
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The whole ghoul to vampire career path is super common, but vampires are indeed dicks who don't want to give up the useful ghoul traits like 'don't burn in sunlight', even if they'd still have a childe who was theoretically more powerful. They generally get away with stringing ghouls along a lot longer in Vt* than in WWDITS due to the whole 'don't physically age as long as they have vitae in their systems' thing ghouls have in those settings, too. ...which arguably makes WWDITS vampires like Deacon *bigger* dicks than the average Vt* sire, though there are a few examples of them letting their ghouls get old before the embrace, just out of sheer intentional dickitude.
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May 17, 2019 09:18
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Rand Brittain posted:They absolutely can but vampires are generally insanely hesitant about elevating disposable mortal servants to the slightly-less-disposable rank of full vampire. Most ghouls really want them to, though, and push for the Embrace like they're hounding their boss for a raise. The problem with elevating a ghoul is that then you get full-fledged member of a vampire society who also knows a lot about you. This makes them extremely useful for your enemies and much less useful to you, as you get a servant that you no longer control that well and who can't move in daylight anymore. It's much more prudent to choose a malleable mortal, Embrace them and mold them to your heart's desire. Or, for maximum dickishness, turn someone else's ghoul, although this probably is frowned upon.
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May 17, 2019 09:19
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WWDitS has probably the best depiction of what happens when you discover you have obfuscate.
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May 17, 2019 09:24
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Nessus posted:Can you summarize what the system issues are, because when it came up it seemed to be "this is self-evidently lovely" and I looked over at the game I'm in and it was like "hm, I am not sharing this qualitative experience." I think the limiting of power access, expenditure and recovery was the gripe I remember seeing from this thread.
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May 17, 2019 13:35
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Does the Embrace clear blood bonds?
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May 17, 2019 14:27
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Captain Monkey posted:Does the Embrace clear blood bonds? I don't believe so, but blood bonds aren't safe. They're deeply unhealthy fixations and loves, and it is entirely possible - and recorded in the game as happening to some NPCs - that, say, a ghoul clan that is fully blood bonded to a vampire can, "for his own good", conspire to send him into torpor and protect him by keeping him safe in their basement...while not incidentally using him to feed their vitae addiction.
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May 17, 2019 15:06
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Captain Monkey posted:Does the Embrace clear blood bonds? Depends on the book, and your ST, as the typical way to write about the Embrace is to give it a three to five page write-up thats two pages away from the Blood Bond rules without one mentioning the other in any way.
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May 17, 2019 18:05
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Gerund posted:Depends on the book, and your ST, as the typical way to write about the Embrace is to give it a three to five page write-up thats two pages away from the Blood Bond rules without one mentioning the other in any way. I thought the embrace cleared existing blood bonds but gave you a new one to the person who embraced you.
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May 17, 2019 19:30
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Kurieg posted:I thought the embrace cleared existing blood bonds but gave you a new one to the person who embraced you. It's definitely not a full one, I remember reading 'the Embrace leaves you one step bonded to your Sire' but it wasn't specifically talking in the context of being a ghoul previously.
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May 17, 2019 23:18
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Captain Monkey posted:Does the Embrace clear blood bonds? Think of it this way. The Embrace kills you, every time. When you die, all blood bonds clear. You then come back without any, even though it took vitae to bring you back anyway. That never gives you a blood bond, even though it pulls you back from the dead. Some argue it differently, but blood bonds usually clear on death. It's really easy to manipulate one's childe into a blood bond all over again, which is why if vampires want independent, capable childer, they don't Embrace those that they have bound.
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May 18, 2019 03:30
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So I nabbed a few books for Requiem, specifically the Mekhet book. It seems elder vampires are more... Common? In nWoD? The protagonist in the Mekhet book meets at least one that's older than Jesus. For example, the Egyptian elder that got her brain scooped out before she was embraced. Which is cool as hell. I suppose it would vary city to city, but how common are elders vs. "middle-aged" vamps vs. neonates?
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May 19, 2019 06:23
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The impression I've gotten from Requiem is that elders are pretty common but also way less of a big deal, because blood potency drops the longer you're sitting in your coffin. And memories get muddled. So a player character vampire in Requiem can be older than Jesus, but still have 'neonate' blood potency and no political connections because they were a corpse since 1100, and while they might have a strong sense of themselves and their life their historical knowledge is so incredibly suspect as to be entirely personal.
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May 19, 2019 06:26
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Particularly in first edition with the Fog of Ages or whatever, you should be extremely skeptical of any vampire claiming to have been around over a thousand years, let alone more than that. I like the approach in second edition better, where you just have normal, fallible human memory to explain why "I was at Jesus' crucifixion" doesn't hold much weight even if you almost certainly did go to some martyr's execution 2,000 years ago. In any case, as mentioned, the way Blood Potency and torpor works takes care of the insuperable elders problem. Even with Thousand Years of Night's additions, being an Elder doesn't give you the ninth-level spells or whatever. Your main advantage is just having all those extra dots in stuff that everyone has notional access to already.
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May 19, 2019 06:48
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Watching What We Do In The Shadows (TV show). This is not a very good first episode and I hope it gets funnier fast. But anyway - do WoD vampires become freaky monster men when they get very, very old? I heard they were eternally unchanging, but I also heard stories of the Antediluvians becoming weird stuff, but also they might be an Extra Special Situation with Magic Stuff involved.
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May 20, 2019 22:40
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SuperKlaus posted:Watching What We Do In The Shadows (TV show). This is not a very good first episode and I hope it gets funnier fast. But anyway - do WoD vampires become freaky monster men when they get very, very old? I heard they were eternally unchanging, but I also heard stories of the Antediluvians becoming weird stuff, but also they might be an Extra Special Situation with Magic Stuff involved.
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May 20, 2019 23:45
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SuperKlaus posted:Watching What We Do In The Shadows (TV show). This is not a very good first episode and I hope it gets funnier fast. But anyway - do WoD vampires become freaky monster men when they get very, very old? I heard they were eternally unchanging, but I also heard stories of the Antediluvians becoming weird stuff, but also they might be an Extra Special Situation with Magic Stuff involved. Any vamp with over 1000 years under their belt gets weird in a lot of ways. They might still look human, but psychologically speaking it's almost impossible for them to relate to younger vampires, much less mortals.
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May 20, 2019 23:59
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Still thinking about how like all the Onyx Path devs try to say they're woke but also most of them posted on 4chan's /tg/ watching people call their LGBT colleagues horrible poo poo until like 2016 so they could talk to the internet's dumbest loving people about how mages are the best or how a Solar Exalted could totally organize a Dragon-blooded eugenics camp, lmao
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May 21, 2019 03:06
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SuperKlaus posted:Watching What We Do In The Shadows (TV show). This is not a very good first episode and I hope it gets funnier fast. But anyway - do WoD vampires become freaky monster men when they get very, very old? I heard they were eternally unchanging, but I also heard stories of the Antediluvians becoming weird stuff, but also they might be an Extra Special Situation with Magic Stuff involved. A few clans get monstrous as they age, Tzimici as part of their path of enlightenment and Gangrel as their clan weakness is they accrue beastial features for every frenzy. Nosferatu start off as hideous monsters, but yeah it's fair to assume if you live long enough you start looking a little feral around the edges. But yeah, once humanity drops you start looking more and more corpselike.
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May 21, 2019 03:37
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Cool, thanks. Zereth, your avatar is one of the top on the whole forums, by the way. Another question but not one that has anything to do with WWDITS: would a vampire fry from sunlight if he entered outer space? A friend once told me (oWoD) sunlight lethality is mystical, not at all "scientific," so you couldn't kill vampires with UV grenades like in Blade. Given there is no concept of daybreak in space...vampire astronauts yes or no?
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May 21, 2019 04:05
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No canonical answer, what’s better for your game?
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May 21, 2019 04:14
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SunAndSpring posted:most of them posted on 4chan's /tg/
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May 21, 2019 04:14
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SuperKlaus posted:Cool, thanks. Zereth, your avatar is one of the top on the whole forums, by the way. See now I'm not wondering if it works, I'm wondering how many different elders have tried it if it doesn't?
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May 21, 2019 04:23
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xanthan posted:See now I'm not wondering if it works, I'm wondering how many different elders have tried it if it doesn't? I think there's some Malkavians in the BSD/Nephandi evil techno base on the dark side of the moon, or were in one of the splats back during the Haight times.
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May 21, 2019 04:33
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SuperKlaus posted:Cool, thanks. Zereth, your avatar is one of the top on the whole forums, by the way.
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May 21, 2019 04:34
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SuperKlaus posted:Cool, thanks. Zereth, your avatar is one of the top on the whole forums, by the way. "Real" UV grenades, made out of mortal science, probably wouldn't, but Technocracy gadgets that produce mystically genuine sunlight would. The sunlight in space would probably still count as anti-vampire rays.
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May 21, 2019 05:27
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Captain Monkey posted:I think there's some Malkavians in the BSD/Nephandi evil techno base on the dark side of the moon, or were in one of the splats back during the Haight times. This assumes your game is cool enough to have Space Vampires, of course. Also, in a pure vampire game I'd rule "natural" UV rays could do lethal damage to vampires but they would get the benefit of soak. So a UV cannon or a grow light would be a method of attack but would not be an ultimate trump card. e: Better question: Would vampires still be hurt by the Sun on other planets? What about the central stars of other solar systems?
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TheNamedSavior posted:[Citation Needed] I did, until someone got doxxed. Olivia used to, too. Don’t know about anyone else, but I didn’t read the Exalted threads on the regular. Hell, I once posted on the rpg.site. Compared to “90% of my writing credits turn out to be coauthored with, or developed by, serial harassers and probable rapists”, posting on a pre-Trump tg is weak sauce in the Things I Regret stakes. It’s okay to make mistakes, as long as you rectify them. Dave Brookshaw fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 07:17
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Dave Brookshaw posted:It’s okay to make mistakes, as long as you rectify them. You literally just dismissed working with THE home base of the alt-right by saying "Nah, I've done worse." You're not rectifying mistakes, you're whitewashing them. And they were ALWAYS homophobic, sexist, and racist as gently caress, trump gave them power, don't pretend like a cheeto person suddenly made them all hate gays. Stop pretending like you are clean of your actions, you had to have seen them saying "f*g" and *n**ger" over and over again many times, and it wasn't until shockingly you saw horrible people who say bigoted things reveal that they also do awful bigoted things as well that made you suddenly realize "oh right, these guys are actually bad?" You just lost a customer. Good job.
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May 21, 2019 07:33
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What is he supposed to do, exactly? He posted in a lovely place and then stopped once he realised it was lovely. What can you do besides that?
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May 21, 2019 07:46
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ZeroCount posted:What is he supposed to do, exactly? He posted in a lovely place and then stopped once he realised it was lovely. What can you do besides that? Not post in a casually bigoted place in the first place. Wow, sounds pretty easy.
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May 21, 2019 07:55
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TheNamedSavior posted:You literally just dismissed working with THE home base of the alt-right by saying "Nah, I've done worse." You're not rectifying mistakes, you're whitewashing them. I mean a non-trivial amounts of our moderators have turned out to be monsters, and there's a reason our anime sub-forum is called the anime death tentacle rape warehouse. A lot of really sketchy poo poo used to go on here, and sometimes still does. And in the great circle of life, a lot of the shittier versions of the internet can trace their direct genesis from this place pushing out it's undesirables into the void. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Because, you know what? TheNamedSavior posted:Not post in a casually bigoted place in the first place. *You* failed.
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May 21, 2019 07:58
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TheNamedSavior posted:Not post in a casually bigoted place in the first place. Yeah but 'never make a mistake' aren't reasonable expectations to have for yourself or anyone else.
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May 21, 2019 08:00
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ZeroCount posted:What is he supposed to do, exactly? He posted in a lovely place and then stopped once he realised it was lovely. What can you do besides that? Yeah, so, at the time I was one of those "tg, and specifically the nwod thread, isn't *so* bad" people. Which is, of course, utter idiocy. Shouldn't have done it. I have caught more flak from OPP for posting here, though. (I am also not an Onyx Path employee)
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May 21, 2019 08:03
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TheNamedSavior posted:Not post in a casually bigoted place in the first place. Dave Brookshaw posted:Yeah, so, at the time I was one of those "tg, and specifically the nwod thread, isn't *so* bad" people. Which is, of course, utter idiocy. Shouldn't have done it.
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May 21, 2019 08:05
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Nessus posted:If it is impossible to rectify mistakes, there is no reason for people to stop once they have committed one. Not them. They also aren't, and weren't, actual OPP employees. In any case, boycotting OPP over my inability to see someone be wrong about Awakening without jumping in would be misguided.
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May 21, 2019 08:23
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Again, treating far-right attitudes as something you can simply catch by being in wrong place like some mind ebola and stay infected forever is loving stupid and counterproductive. It fucks over the entire movement, making it an an elite place for the few people good enough to belong there just to make them feel better. Please find other ways to caress your ego, because you're actually making left-wing activism harder for everyone.
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I also used to be one of those "hur hurr, I'm a paid-up European liberal, anything in the US is Ultra-Right by comparison" types. And then my own country collapsed into Brexit.
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