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Ace of Baes posted:Get his email and I will. isaac@politico.com
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jfc i cant believe the clinton campaign hosed up the downtickets so badly to me it smacks of factionalism, not for the sake of policy, but to solidify patronage networks yeh, even in a hypothetical world where the dems could make up those 100000 voters in the midwest, the clinton admin would have been completely loving useless at least in this hosed up world its easy to oppose trump and use him as a wedge in the republican base, his honeymoon period wont last long
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Democrats honestly deserve to be outlawed by Trump. Then we can rid ourselves of the illusion that we live in anything other than a one party dictatorship of capital led by the epitome of capitalist avarice himself What I'm saying is this can be a laboratory experiment for accelerationism vs. we're all boned-ism
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the fastest wayt o accelerate your nonexistence is to decelerate a piece of lead though your cranium (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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seriously, tho -- gently caress the national committee. they made their bed, and now they're trying to get out of having to sleep in it? light them the gently caress up.
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Business Gorillas posted:they didn't have to do joint fundraising because one of clinton's greatest strengths was giving money to downticket races, hth Just wanted to point out this was a good burn. Yossarian-22 posted:Democrats honestly deserve to be outlawed by Trump. Then we can rid ourselves of the illusion that we live in anything other than a one party dictatorship of capital led by the epitome of capitalist avarice himself I'd rather they gum up the works and keep Trump from getting what he wants. But I'd also like them to do a complete loving 180 in terms of shittiness/uselessness, yes.
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To Be Fair, I'm a Wonk
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Yeah, that's pretty much it all right. It sounds unbelievable that the Dems managed to lose the "come off as more compassionate" game to Donald loving Trump, but welp...that Kos piece is kind of how you do it.
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tower time posted:I'll just post this in full from the comments section on bleeding heartland regarding the VAN: so i think bob krause is right in some sense, although i don't totally agree with him. he has a legitimate grievance - he's run twice for statewide office on a shoestring budget, and the idp asks for a lot of money to get access to van. my understanding is that successful nominees get access to van for free, but primary candidates have to pay. for districted candidates, this isn't a big deal since it's not that expensive for them and they usually don't really need it. statewide is expensive, though. this is all basically the idp's way of fundraising for its data program and access to the voter file. krause didn't have access to the stuff general election candidates get since he never got through the primary in his last two runs. so he's got sort of an incomplete view and i think he doesn't realize that what they have access to now is much better than what they had before. handing out access to the raw candidate ids is a security issue, and for a campaign the raw id data is not nearly as useful as the support models that the dnc provides to candidates. primary campaigns most definitely do get individual level voting history, though. so that combined with party registration is enough for those campaigns to do what they need to do. i would not be surprised if the idp would have exported in old ids had krause requested something specific, though. but i think mainly the party wants to avoid giving away the keys to the kingdom to someone who might either deliberately or accidentally make that data accessible to people who shouldn't have it. plus, they just don't need it. for general elections, candidates are provided some cool stuff from the dnc to help them target - generic partisan id scores, downballot drop off models, turnout models, etc. this is built on top of that old id data along with new polling to keep it fresh, and it can transfer over data from other states if someone is a new resident in iowa. this stuff is really, really valuable - it's tens of thousands of dollars of free modeling and far better than the thing he's asking for. but the dnc (and the idp) really drops the ball in telling candidates how to use this stuff. a lot of these guys are first time candidates, or their staff are 60 year old volunteers just learning to use van. you hand over van access to this guy running for state senate, but he doesn't have a clue how to actually use this stuff. it's just an option on a menu without an explanation. so they come up with their own creative methods of targeting and they're usually a disaster. like, what he mentions (targeting people by their ids in past elections) is a really bad practice. so the party does need to do a better job training staff and candidates on this stuff. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 10:26 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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Local candidates shouldn't have to pay for van during the primaries, that's how you get nominees who are owned by whoever the big company in the local area, you end up with lovely local dems who do stuff like like giving the partners who gave them $10 or $15k "business incentives" which translate to giving them huge local tax breaks, which fucks the local revenue, runs smaller businesses out of business because they're now competing with bigger companies who are also getting bonuses from the local city council or mayor, you see similar things with counties or cities selling or leasing land or water rights. It cuts out working people from governing their own communities and hands them to GOP politicians when it gets bad enough, who proceed to gently caress the community even worse. Also obviously a lot of the time a rich person will just run their own campaign in these places and cut out the middleman, once theyre in office they can feel free to ignore everyone for the most part, because they know the chances of them getting primaried as an incumbent ranges from unlikely to next to impossible, depending on how much influence they have in the local party and how well off they are relative to the area they're living in.
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Minnesota uses a voucher program which should be everywhere, people can donate up to $50, fill out a simple form, mail it in, and the state gives them a check for $50 in the mail. No means testing, or application process, and you can donate it to state candidates for legislature, governor, SoS, political parties, etc.
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Keith Ellison also introduced a bill to the house a while back which if it were passed (in the future obviously) to provide multiple matching for campaigns under certain circumstances. "The “Government by the People Act” would provide six-to-one matches for all donations worth less than $150, as long as candidates don’t self-fund, refuse most PAC money and, most importantly, decline donations over $1,000. To encourage more small-dollar donors, individuals could receive up to $25 in tax refunds for giving to campaigns, provided they don’t give more than $300 to a candidate in a cycle." https://www.minnpost.com/dc-dispatches/2014/02/rep-ellisons-big-idea-cleaning-campaign-finance
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Phobophilia posted:jfc i cant believe the clinton campaign hosed up the downtickets so badly Ace of Baes posted:I don't know if theres a phrase to describe how badly Clinton hosed up the election, like a much more extreme version of making GBS threads the bed. Oh god, thought that quote was from this last page but it was five pages ago. Nichael has issued a correction as of 13:30 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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CC does that mean list access is only charged to primary challengers but incumbents get it for free? hosed up if tru
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Nichael posted:Is he even having a honeymoon period? He might be the first president (in my lifetime at least) without one. I don't think Obama got one? Certainly not for his second term.
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Yossarian-22 posted:What I'm saying is this can be a laboratory experiment for accelerationism vs. we're all boned-ism
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My reaction to this was that it fuckin ruled, but I am keenly aware that the only reason it felt good for me to read it was the same smug superiority instinct smug/whiny hillarymen have been following but at least the person I feel better than is rich and privileged also in the related links was this takedown of Matt Yglesias which basically comes down to a guy getting way too mad about a guy getting way too mad about HRC's email scandal but which I still found enlightening to read. quote:He triumphantly concludes, “email server management, rather than any deeper or more profound root cause, was the dominant issue in Donald Trump’s successful rise to power.”
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I wonder how DC apprachnicks explain away all the big campaign blunders made the Hillary such as not realizing the "safe" rust belt states were in play or how the campaign failed on the messaging side?
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the attempt to blame emails is funny because at the heart of it the whole server is a brutal self-own, as Clinton and her team decided to set up the stupid server themselves
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clinton is a criminal and its a drat shame the rich and powerful have what effectively is a seperate legal system. hillary clinton and her rapist husband should be behind bars if not on death row
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Baloogan posted:clinton is a criminal and its a drat shame the rich and powerful have what effectively is a seperate legal system. hillary clinton and her rapist husband should be behind bars if not on death row Pump your brakes, Baloogan.
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Zikan posted:the attempt to blame emails is funny because at the heart of it the whole server is a brutal self-own, as Clinton and her team decided to set up the stupid server themselves Imagine if she didn't have private server how it would have made it much easier to run her campaign. Also lolling at her special treatment since lower ranking peons in the defense industry or military did get into big trouble for sending classified info over private email.
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loquacius posted:also in the related links was this takedown of Matt Yglesias which basically comes down to a guy getting way too mad about a guy getting way too mad about HRC's email scandal but which I still found enlightening to read. Does anyone know the size and strength of the Sons of Yglesias?
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etalian posted:I wonder how DC apprachnicks explain away all the big campaign blunders made the Hillary such as not realizing the "safe" rust belt states were in play or how the campaign You can go to the election thread in d&d to get a glimpse of this. It's mostly a mix of racistsexism, bernouts, and poor messaging (ie. Everything that absolves the iron abuelas platform of guilt)
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Business Gorillas posted:You can go to the election thread in d&d to get a glimpse of this. It's mostly a mix of racistsexism, bernouts, and poor messaging (ie. Everything that absolves the iron abuelas platform of guilt) Not to mention the hilarity of how dems on the ground in rust belt states realized support was swinging towards Trump but got told by the Brooklyn office to fuckoff when they begged for help.
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etalian posted:I wonder how DC apprachnicks explain away all the big campaign blunders made the Hillary such as not realizing the "safe" rust belt states were in play or how the campaign Putin
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Joementum posted:Putin Such a god tier leader he tricked Hillary into not campaigning for states like Wisconsin.
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this really articulates well why i'm so frustrated that a lot of people blame everything but the campaign and a lovely attitude towards large sections of the voter base has anybody ever anywhere been called a shithead and gone "man. you're right. i should be onboard with you. i am a racist shithead."
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Office Surprise Store posted:this really articulates well why i'm so frustrated that a lot of people blame everything but the campaign and a lovely attitude towards large sections of the voter base Remember Hillary's great deplorable comment and how her supporters attacked Bernie for how he took a more sympathetic view on Trump's supporters? Looking down on the other side is never a productive mindset especially Hill folk chuckling over coal miners dying, "They got what they deserved!"
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Business Gorillas posted:racistsexism I prefer my made up word, racogynist.
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Playstation 4 posted:I prefer my made up word, racogynist. transracogynisphobia etalian posted:Remember Hillary's great deplorable comment and how her supporters attacked Bernie for how he took a more sympathetic view on Trump's supporters? It's Her Turn just that phrase alone
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If we wanna go that far, Tracogynist works. Or the older term, shithead. Bernie could have won.
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This is like the funny/good version of that SA front page article.
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Business Gorillas posted:You can go to the election thread in d&d to get a glimpse of this. It's mostly a mix of racistsexism, bernouts, and poor messaging (ie. Everything that absolves the iron abuelas platform of guilt) I peeked in for a little bit, but had to stop after suffering through multiple pages of the one guy who still has an unironic Hillary avatar steering the conversation toward "the word 'neoliberal' is actually completely meaningless" with fifty posts an hour, because it was excruciating It was basically "what even IS a hipster anyway, the word doesn't mean anything anymore *sips latte, strokes moustache, lovingly pets MBP*" but even more obnoxious Office Surprise Store posted:this really articulates well why i'm so frustrated that a lot of people blame everything but the campaign and a lovely attitude towards large sections of the voter base  tone argument tone argumentit's the Bad Opinion Lockup for you pal 
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loquacius posted:I peeked in for a little bit, but had to stop after suffering through multiple pages of the one guy who still has an unironic Hillary avatar steering the conversation toward "the word 'neoliberal' is actually completely meaningless" with fifty posts an hour, because it was excruciating These transparent attempts at language control always bug me. "don't use the word establishment, there is no 'establishment'! Now let me falsely attribute several bogus uses of the word to you." "don't use the word neoliberal, neoliberal has just become a generic insult! Now let me falsely attribute several bogus uses of the word to you." Makes conversation a lot more difficult when you're not actually allowed to use names for the groups opposing you.
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etalian posted:I wonder how DC apprachnicks explain away all the big campaign blunders made the Hillary such as not realizing the "safe" rust belt states were in play or how the campaign RUSSIA HACKED THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN AI AND TURNED IT INTO AN IDIOT YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST AT NEOLIBERINFOWARS.COM Slightly more seriously, my whole thing is that I don't want to see things like Russia's interference and (much more importantly) voter suppression efforts dismissed as OH YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO ABSOLVE HILLARY. One of the many many consequences of the Clinton Campaign Follies is that it makes it more difficult to meaningfully discuss the other ways in which our general electoral process was (and will likely continue to be) hosed up, and those other problems aren't exactly going away in 2018/2020.
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good way of viewing russian interference: russia hacked into things like e-mail servers so we have to protect against it, including training people so they don't get brutally owned like john podesta bad way: because russia donald trump
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Zikan posted:good way of viewing russian interference: russia hacked into things like e-mail servers so we have to protect against it, including training people so they don't get brutally owned like john podesta Another possible lesson: "hey maybe don't be corrupt as gently caress so that even if your emails DO get hacked your opposition will gain nothing from it"
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