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Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Who is this prophet you speak of?

I think I said something along those lines but I've been doing projections and growing enough weed when the power and climate have failed is gonna be loving hard.

I think I agree with Voice of Labor -- I personally prefer to not live in or near cities because they are loud and anxiety producing for me, that's it. If (when) poo poo gets really bad, I tend to think we all die together, if somewhat remote areas held on and had food production they would be overrun by starving hordes.

If I was really smart maybe I'd be digging down and trying to make an underground mycoprotein facility that's hidden or something, but, seems better to just do what little we can and enjoy the time we have now with our kids and each other etc. Everyone that's born dies, usually in pain and always, on some level, alone.

Hubbert posted:

i'm putting my odds on this goon, unless Cabbages and Kings wants to become the community building katana-wielding feudal lord from World Made by Hand

nah, I'm generally meek when push comes to shove. My spouse says I have a latent tendency towards cult leader, so I guess if my brain broke in a certain way during the collapse I might take a run at that, but I don't think it'd work out well for me, or anyone else. Also there's so many crazy MFs armed to the teeth with freezers full of drugs and god knows else up in the hills here, who knows what a real loss of state and national governance leads to.

Realistically I think we're somewhere that things might be better for a while than some other places, mostly because I find it objectively better to be here than most of the USA already, but that means we're already in the "a while", a period noted for having something else (worse, almost certainly) after it. I hope it lasts.... for a while, at least?

Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 11:59 on Aug 2, 2022

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AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1554437243313573888?s=20&t=qStyaANMXcOmvLAMEPVXJQ

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Cabbages and Kings posted:

I think I said something along those lines but I've been doing projections and growing enough weed when the power and climate have failed is gonna be loving hard.

My plan for that is just to plant weed in the mountain valley I live in, on each mountain range. Just going to play Johnny Appleweed.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

forty monkeys drowning in a boiling sea
everywhere I go, it rains on me

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Trabisnikof posted:

half earth socialism is a neat little game free on steam. it’s utopian but still realistically challenging.

i enjoy how the modeling is both straightforward but not entirely upfront. like on turn 1 you can declare you’re switching to a grid mix that is 65% hydro then get owned as hydro resource availability declines

it’s also a good book that andreas malm is on the cover blurb

MightyBigMinus
Jan 26, 2020

i'm pretty sure nuclear winter is still bullshit because everything in those lynas tweets sounded like the ancient boomer bullshit (4000 nukes, implied ground-strikes)

i tried clicking through to see if he linked anything but couldnl't find it... of course that could just be because twitter is a finely tuned machine for destroying context

links welcome. this was "debunked" (mostly just pointed out as an absurdly improbably scenario) looooong before ukraine.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Mayor Dave posted:

Danish is just about the easiest language for an English speaker to learn, RIP

Yeah but it's spoken by Danish people plus almost everyone in Denmark is Danish

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

My plan for that is just to plant weed in the mountain valley I live in, on each mountain range. Just going to play Johnny Appleweed.

:hmmyes:


I am prepared for this phase and some of the climate maps make it look like VT ought to support a decent outdoor weed season until I die, but, also, I don't loving believe any of the maps or projections because at a glance everything is both speeding up and becoming less predictable against a backdrop of mounting global instability and an increasingly hot WWIII.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

MightyBigMinus posted:

i'm pretty sure nuclear winter is still bullshit because everything in those lynas tweets sounded like the ancient boomer bullshit (4000 nukes, implied ground-strikes)

i tried clicking through to see if he linked anything but couldnl't find it... of course that could just be because twitter is a finely tuned machine for destroying context

links welcome. this was "debunked" (mostly just pointed out as an absurdly improbably scenario) looooong before ukraine.

There are some updated modeling up thread people have discussed.

I used to be exactly as you (Carl Sagan and Stephen Schneider famously having their falling out over the topic.) but the more recent modeling seems pretty darn solid.

Edit: here’s the paper that was being discussed earlier https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021AV000610

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

CODChimera posted:

they could get better

supply chains are complex and could get better in some ways and not others

The main visible thing is backlogs. Our inability to process the amount of freight flowing around or distribute it once we receive it. As the economy gets worse in the US we will have backlogs cleared and less things to ship in the future so this will naturally clear up.

Some things that aren't able to be procured or made in enough quantities, like fertilizers and raw materials, aren't getting any better. Not everything tracks 1:1 with consumer demand like appliances and clothes and electronics backlogs due to shipping delays or manufacture delays related to component delays.

We are just going to transition to a new supply chain problem as large segments of it go bankrupt or out of business and alternate sources are required but shipping probably won't be the problem.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
I love it when I'm reading something that should be a mile away from biosphere collapse and then biosphere collapse pops in and says "don't forget about me!!"

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220719-can-you-prevent-childhood-allergies

quote:

A study by Nadeau and researchers at Stanford University found that exposure to wildfire smoke was linked to significantly lower concentrations of type 1 T helper cells (Th1) in children, which fight infection, and higher levels of type 2 T helper cells (Th2), which trigger the activation of cells involved in allergic inflammation.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Microplastics posted:

I love it when I'm reading something that should be a mile away from biosphere collapse and then biosphere collapse pops in and says "don't forget about me!!"

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220719-can-you-prevent-childhood-allergies

oh, cool.

I'm just gonna go stare at my kids' bedrooms and their proximity to the chimney flue stack.

We run HEPA filters on all floors and in the bedrooms, but we're heating this place with a 50 year old wood stove. Catalytics? Lol what's that. I do have co2 sensors all over, and I am personally pretty smoke sensitive, but who knows.

goochtit
Nov 2, 2021



MightyBigMinus posted:

i'm pretty sure nuclear winter is still bullshit because everything in those lynas tweets sounded like the ancient boomer bullshit (4000 nukes, implied ground-strikes)

i tried clicking through to see if he linked anything but couldnl't find it... of course that could just be because twitter is a finely tuned machine for destroying context

links welcome. this was "debunked" (mostly just pointed out as an absurdly improbably scenario) looooong before ukraine.
Here's the article he wrote, there are links to referenced studies throughout:
https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2022/03/what-the-science-says-could-humans-survive-a-nuclear-war-between-nato-and-russia/

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Dog Case posted:

As a feral child with a sharp boomerang and a big glove I feel my chances of survival are pretty good

My future as an afghan style warlord in the Colorado mountains is assured. Goons welcome but mainly for labor.

MightyBigMinus
Jan 26, 2020


thank you, that lays it out a little more clearly

short version is:
- india/pak nuking each other a hundred times (which i consider a very low probability bordering on absurd) would translate to a mostly regionalized (to the region of earth where 50% of humans live) food shortage for single digit years, likely triggering famine deaths on the order of tens of millions. so basically right on par with what we're already doing to them.

- russia/us/china setting of 4000+ nukes would create a ~decade long "the road" scenario with 90-99% deaths. however... this is also an absurd scenario. even if you assume putin is a pure cartoon character and pushes the "launch it all" button, and that the US is so dumb an vicious that they retaliate against all russian targets, there's no way the US nukes half of china just for shits and giggles. like the first two parts are very unlikely and the third part is just silly. these are not plausible scenarios, they're academic research thought exercises.

plausible scenarios (india and pakistan nuking each other single or double digit numbers of time, russia nuking europe and the US retaliating single or double digit number of times) seem very likely to cause immense suffering, but 'nuclear winter' is not actually on the table in any meaningful way.

no point in worrying about an absurd hypothetical doom when we've got plenty of doom at home.

MightyBigMinus has issued a correction as of 16:40 on Aug 2, 2022

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Hubbert posted:

alright team, welcome to the biosphere collapse apocalyptic raider warband audition

i've got a few questions to determine if you'll get to be part of the goonmeet, or if you'll be goonmeat

ok here we go:

(1) what is your new nickname
(2) what will be your role in the gang
(3) how do you expect to die
(4) what will be your signature piece of BDSM attire

(1) r*tard
(2) dogshit collector
(3) putting something in my rear end that i probably shouldnt
(4)

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

MightyBigMinus posted:

there's no way the US nukes half of china just for shits and giggles.

lol

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

a few diamonds itt aside, in the post-apocalypse i think i'd prefer to be with fyad than c-spam

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

i had a dream once where i accidentally stumbled upon the fyad hq in a jungle in the wilderness. it was a single small room set up with desks and early 00s rainbow macs around the walls, everything entirely hot pink and the anime tractor picture on the ceiling. the fyads all sat in a circle on the carpet in the middle of the room giggling to each other and brainstorming their arcane nonsense, and all at once they'd leap up and run to the computers and post as a flock. in the dream, i tried to log onto one of the computers so i could post on fyad about the exact dream i was having, but they told me i wasn't allowed to be there and then locked me out of the building

an egg has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Aug 2, 2022

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Cousin fuckers at DuPont killin us all.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
i grew up on a diet of sweet lead water and microwaved plastic you're gonna have to try harder than that duponts

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

an egg posted:

a few diamonds itt aside, in the post-apocalypse i think i'd prefer to be with fyad than c-spam

makes a lot of sense to want to be with only 20 people on average than ~600 because the potential for chaos and things getting out of hand increases nonlinearly with headcount


of course, the 20-person FYAD camp would probably end up getting demolished by whatever is left of the CSPAM camp after a bunch of leftist in-fight Night Of The Long Knives poo poo

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

It's nice that we have these little rings of horrible pollution and economic devastation and rampant crime around every American military base. It's hard to even single one out as particularly bad, they are each so devastating and harmful in their own unique, charming way.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.
"A person drinking wine and smoking a blunt on a beach at the end of the world".

May the end times be this full of chroma, I guess.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Cabbages and Kings posted:

makes a lot of sense to want to be with only 20 people on average than ~600 because the potential for chaos and things getting out of hand increases nonlinearly with headcount


of course, the 20-person FYAD camp would probably end up getting demolished by whatever is left of CSPAM after BFC hires TFR to subjugate everyone else

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020

Cabbages and Kings posted:

"A person drinking wine and smoking a blunt on a beach at the end of the world".

May the end times be this full of chroma, I guess.



don't dall me

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

I think this depends on BFC turning their currency into useful things before currency loses its value and from what I can tell those people really, really love their currency

TFR is still gonna TFR, though, I think they'll be offering gun safety classes in the skull deserts tbqh. can't be too safe out there.

AceClown
Sep 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/subfossilguy/status/1554457392972283909?s=20&t=o1hgelkWBTg_HUnqllf8Aw

anyone have desertification of the southern alps in 2022 on the bingo card?

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
try and ski now richies!!!! your stupid nazi "neutral" fortress sucks

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

MightyBigMinus posted:

the US is so dumb an vicious

lol no never

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

I cyberbullied all the snow off the alps so hard it had to change schools

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Also, itd be bad rear end if the stargate was real and we got visited by sg1 so Daniel Jackson and Samantha Carter could solve the microplastic cancer crisis with nanobots or asgard technology or Marlins magic or some poo poo

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
Nuclear Winter would probably be magnificent for the Atlantic Cod. Colder water plus fewer pesky humans fishing the gently caress out of them.

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


Egg Moron posted:

Also, itd be bad rear end if the stargate was real and we got visited by sg1 so Daniel Jackson and Samantha Carter could solve the microplastic cancer crisis with nanobots or asgard technology or Marlins magic or some poo poo

shoot 3 zat zaps into the sky to disintegrate the microplastics

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Egg Moron posted:

Also, itd be bad rear end if the stargate was real and we got visited by sg1 so Daniel Jackson and Samantha Carter could solve the microplastic cancer crisis with nanobots or asgard technology or Marlins magic or some poo poo

We are more like a horror episode of Sliders where they travel here and are stuck trying to fix their timer while police actively try to kill them for being homeless and they can't get medical treatment because they don't have insurance. At the end of the episode they slide out while 300 cops are dumping their clips on Remmy because he was running away from them.

Evil_Greven
Feb 20, 2007

Whadda I got to,
whadda I got to do
to wake ya up?

To shake ya up,
to break the structure up!?

AceClown posted:

https://twitter.com/subfossilguy/status/1554457392972283909?s=20&t=o1hgelkWBTg_HUnqllf8Aw

anyone have desertification of the southern alps in 2022 on the bingo card?

"lol," said humanity to the glacier, "lmao"

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Nature is healing.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1554611754792955904

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

Rectal Death Adept posted:

We are more like a horror episode of Sliders where they travel here and are stuck trying to fix their timer while police actively try to kill them for being homeless and they can't get medical treatment because they don't have insurance. At the end of the episode they slide out while 300 cops are dumping their clips on Remmy because he was running away from them.

:hmmyes:

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void


Finally I can stop going to the loving Galapagos and rubbing the iguanas together unnaturally until they reproduce

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hekaton
Jan 5, 2022

sure wish i could understand what the hell was going on with my life
so i could be properly upset when things happen

Egg Moron posted:

Finally I can stop going to the loving Galapagos and rubbing the iguanas together unnaturally until they reproduce

airdropping pornographic pamphlets of iguanasex on the islands to get them in the mood

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