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Bionic Psyker
Apr 23, 2009
Edit: Question answered, missed it. Sorry

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Not enough boats !

The latest hot thing in naval miniatures is rapid-prototyped models produced sold through a site like Shapeways. I've always been fond of the old CinC 1/4800 scale naval line, it's a great scale, they look almost as crisp and detailed as GHQ 1/2400s. But CinC stopped making new models after they did the British and German line. Now a talented 3D modeller is producing 1/4800 scale ships that are just gorgeous.

Here's HMS Malaya, a 3D render, not the final model. I've got some of these models and they really do look as good as the renders.



Sample models, the Dunkerque and Strasbourg painted up.



Brooklyn-class light cruisers


The CA Chokai


An assortment of USN landing craft and attack transports


And they're cheap, the complete set shown above, with 10 APAs, 10LST and 20LCI/LCTs is... $27.76
http://www.shapeways.com/model/593795/48us06-us-navy-amphibious-ships-amp-crafts.html

A couple of hundred aircraft in 1/4800 is :10bux:
http://www.shapeways.com/model/635989/1-4800-allied-aircraft-pack.html

Also enjoy photos of painted or rendered ships and WiP postings:
http://roetengco.blogspot.com/

I really need to finish painting mine.

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!

mllaneza posted:

tiny navy ships.

So, what are some good rules to use in that scale? I'd love to get some kind of navy thing going if there are decent models/rules to be had.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

mllaneza posted:

Not enough boats !

The latest hot thing in naval miniatures is rapid-prototyped models produced sold through a site like Shapeways.

Even though I already own some of Langston's, even they made some Age of Sail ships, I'd be all over that.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




YF19pilot posted:

So, what are some good rules to use in that scale? I'd love to get some kind of navy thing going if there are decent models/rules to be had.

Victory at Sea by Mongoose is a decent set, there were a ton of articles in S&P with more ships. The Convoy series has a good set of tactical rules, plus you get to play a whole convoy run as a campaign game. The publication on these is a bit convoluted, but if you pop into the Yahoo group you can PayPal the designer for a PDF.

edit: I should say more about the Convoy series. This game combines a set of tactical miniatures rules for air, sea and surface with a convoy-based campaign system. To set one up, the allied player rolls up a convoy, it's composition, escorts and route. The German player determines what he has available to attack it. Each campaign turn, the convoy moves one space and rolls an event. The event tables will set up an attack, cause a ship to straggle or some other of the things that can happen to a convoy. If there is an attack, it is fought out on the table.

The first edition was published by Clash of Arms. Reportedly royalties were not paid. What's definite is that the CoA editors stripped out the combat rules and put in an unplaytested cut-down of their own system. Two more ragged editions came out and finally there's a complete edition as originally intended. That's "Rising Storm", which covers the early years of the war. It's available from the author.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WW2convoy/


edit: the IJN Cruiser set is available, http://www.shapeways.com/model/664968/48jn04-savo-island-ijn-cruisers.html $20 for a whole mess of cruisers.

mllaneza fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Aug 13, 2012

LintMan
Mar 12, 2006
Be seening you
Here is a quick review of Battlefronts new line of 15mm buildings. These are from their battlefield in a box range. I have subscribed to their 12 month deal where they send me a different building each month. Battlefront underestimated the demand so I was lucky to get subscribed.

The buildings are very similar, most are modifications on the basic structure so I will just do a general review and you can look at the pictures on the Flames of War website if you want to check out the look of the next 10 buildings.

The buildings are made from a dense resin. Its heavy and solid so it is not as brittle and prone to breaking as the earlier Eastern front buildings set.
Each building comes in 3 parts. The ground floor, 2nd floor and the roof. The details are moulded on but the windows are solid resin. However I wouldn’t recommend drilling them out due density of the material and chance of snapping the resin.

Each floor and roof has a grove so they lock in place. The also provides stability and the roof can go on the ground floor to make a single storey house or a 3rd storey added from another set.
Inside there is enough space for a Battlefront large base which equates to 2 medium bases or 4 small bases.

The paint job is acceptable. These have been mass produced and it shows. The colours used are generic and can easily be touched up. From a distance the basic paint job is fine.

What I really like about this product is its perfect to game with. The buildings are usable straight out of the box. They are heavy enough so they will not get bumped around while you are playing. The buildings come apart allowing your models to occupy positions in the building. The colours are neutral and will fit into most European tables from France to Holland.







3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
That seems like a bad place to stand.

Anyway, they seem decent, but I'm not sure on the price. Also seems silly to have removable tops but not open windows.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
They're still advertising the subscription :psyduck:

But yeah, it seems like a great way to forget where you put a platoon in some ways.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
There's a pretty nice article about Dux Bellorum in Wargames Illustrated, it actually tempts me. It seems like I could use my Saga warbands for it well enough.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
That's the new Osprey Arthurian combat one, right? I saw that and the price was right. Very tempting.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*
I bought Dux Britaniarum from Too Fat Lardies myself, and it looks a blast.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Serotonin posted:

I bought Dux Britaniarum from Too Fat Lardies myself, and it looks a blast.

I'm curious if there's a 2FL game that description doesn't apply to.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Colonial Air Force posted:

I'm curious if there's a 2FL game that description doesn't apply to.

I think this is possibly their best to date. The book (and tablet enabled PDF) is fantastic and the rules look a whole lot of fun. The whole system is based around a campaign system thats so simple Im shocked no one has thought of it before. Its nice to see a game designed like that as opposed to tacking on a campaign system- the only other game I can think of that handles a campaign as well as is Maurice and thats more of a round robin tournament than a true narrative campaign.

Mr.Booger
Nov 13, 2004
So, I have given up having free time and started gathering models and paints to work up a Black Powder game. I picked the Battle of Dresden to be a general goal, not going for super historical accuracy, but as a general idea of troops, nations, and army composition.
As I now look at my living room full of boxes of little plastic Europeans, I am eager but somewhat overwhelmed. anyone have experience doing mass armies that has some assembly/painting tips for good looking mass production?

Just for thought, I now have about 1500 28mm figs staring me in the face, mocking my ability to get them all done :)

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Mr.Booger posted:

Just for thought, I now have about 1500 28mm figs staring me in the face, mocking my ability to get them all done :)

Since those aren't GW figs, you should have enough money for the cocaine you'll need to get you through the painting project.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?
Yeah seriously. You better never forget the mantra of "they're for play not for show" or you'll never paint 1500 28mm figures in less than 15 years.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Mr.Booger posted:

So, I have given up having free time and started gathering models and paints to work up a Black Powder game. I picked the Battle of Dresden to be a general goal, not going for super historical accuracy, but as a general idea of troops, nations, and army composition.
As I now look at my living room full of boxes of little plastic Europeans, I am eager but somewhat overwhelmed. anyone have experience doing mass armies that has some assembly/painting tips for good looking mass production?

Just for thought, I now have about 1500 28mm figs staring me in the face, mocking my ability to get them all done :)

You need to make painting and assembly a habit. Spending an entire every evening now and then won't help, but if you spend an hour or two every single day, you'll make progress.

Also, don't get discourage with how long time your first miniatures will take, once you know the kits as the back of your hand, you'll be able to assembly them much faster. Same goes with painting. After a while you'll know every single detail on each model, so you won't waste time searching and planning. Get your painting schemes down, and you won't even have to think about colour selection.

You'll spend a lot of days going "ok, so today I'll paint 200 shoes and belts in this brown colour", but that's how you get an army painted. That, and washes.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*
Also consider block painting the lot in a base colour, without shading and highlighting. That way they get on the table faster and you can go back and add shading etc later. Also for huge armies like this consider using the dip method, especially for rank and file stuff.

Also, sounds dumb, but keep a list of the exact paints you have used because if you are anything like me, you will take a break from the project, go back to it and then be thinking 'poo poo which of my 10 shades of brown paint did I use on the belts?'

EDIT: anxiously watching the letterbox hoping Muskets and Tomahawks arrives today!

Serotonin fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Sep 1, 2012

Fish and Chimps
Feb 16, 2012

mmmfff
Fun Shoe

Mr.Booger posted:

So, I have given up having free time and started gathering models and paints to work up a Black Powder game. I picked the Battle of Dresden to be a general goal, not going for super historical accuracy, but as a general idea of troops, nations, and army composition.
As I now look at my living room full of boxes of little plastic Europeans, I am eager but somewhat overwhelmed. anyone have experience doing mass armies that has some assembly/painting tips for good looking mass production?

Just for thought, I now have about 1500 28mm figs staring me in the face, mocking my ability to get them all done :)

I hope SA, the internet in general and human civilization still stands when you're finished with this massive, insane project, so you can post some pics!

Good luck to you though. Sounds like an awesome project. Maybe you could enlist some help from a fellow gamer?

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009

Serotonin posted:

I think this is possibly their best to date. The book (and tablet enabled PDF) is fantastic and the rules look a whole lot of fun. The whole system is based around a campaign system thats so simple Im shocked no one has thought of it before. Its nice to see a game designed like that as opposed to tacking on a campaign system- the only other game I can think of that handles a campaign as well as is Maurice and thats more of a round robin tournament than a true narrative campaign.

Is it the kind of system you could tack onto another if for some crazy reason you aren't that interested in the time frame?

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Cassa posted:

Is it the kind of system you could tack onto another if for some crazy reason you aren't that interested in the time frame?

I guess so.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?
I can't be the only one excited about the new Flames of War starter set. Because goddamn I want three sets of the Brits so I can have an awesome plastic paratrooper company and armoured squadron for like, 100 bucks.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Looks like they're American paratroopers in the box. I may have to get it just to put aside for when I eventually get back into FoW.

Serotonin
Jul 14, 2001

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Devlan Mud posted:

I can't be the only one excited about the new Flames of War starter set. Because goddamn I want three sets of the Brits so I can have an awesome plastic paratrooper company and armoured squadron for like, 100 bucks.

They are bound to be more pricey than PSC though.

R.S. Gumby
Jul 26, 2007

Utterly useless.
I don't even play FoW, but dammit, I'm really tempted by that box. Haven't seen the price yet though. I'd love to paint some WWII stuff (even if it's Russians I really want).

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!
The V1 rocket is making it very tempting for me, personally.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

R.S. Gumby posted:

I don't even play FoW, but dammit, I'm really tempted by that box. Haven't seen the price yet though. I'd love to paint some WWII stuff (even if it's Russians I really want).

The box is $70 in the US, so, going halfsies on two boxes pretty much gets all the shermans a brit(and probably american) will ever need, a good start to a US airborne force, and plenty of Germans for one of the more generic forces.

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.
Got a question that's really only slightly related, but I figure if anyone's gonna know this it's one of you guys. Is there a good way to pronounce the acronym Sd.Kfz. (As in an Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track for example)? I've always heard it in my head as Skid-fizz, which I know probably isn't right, and gently caress saying Sonderkraftfahrzeug.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Beardless posted:

Got a question that's really only slightly related, but I figure if anyone's gonna know this it's one of you guys. Is there a good way to pronounce the acronym Sd.Kfz. (As in an Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track for example)? I've always heard it in my head as Skid-fizz, which I know probably isn't right, and gently caress saying Sonderkraftfahrzeug.

I just say, 251 if I have to or, "those german half-tracks".

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



poo poo I don't use any of those armies but $70 is a fantastic deal for what you get. I'd love to see battlefront continue in this direction.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Beardless posted:

Got a question that's really only slightly related, but I figure if anyone's gonna know this it's one of you guys. Is there a good way to pronounce the acronym Sd.Kfz. (As in an Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track for example)? I've always heard it in my head as Skid-fizz, which I know probably isn't right, and gently caress saying Sonderkraftfahrzeug.

I say ess-dee-kay-eff-zee. But yes, saying just the number is easier.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Beardless posted:

Got a question that's really only slightly related, but I figure if anyone's gonna know this it's one of you guys. Is there a good way to pronounce the acronym Sd.Kfz. (As in an Sd.Kfz. 251 half-track for example)? I've always heard it in my head as Skid-fizz, which I know probably isn't right, and gently caress saying Sonderkraftfahrzeug.
I've heard people say "Scud Fuzz".

Panzeh posted:

I just say, 251 if I have to or, "those german half-tracks".
"Hanomag" works better for those, although everything had a Sd.Kfz number.

Mr.Booger
Nov 13, 2004
The upside of Doing the Battle of Dresden it that there are so many different nations involved, so you will never be painting the exact same uniform for too long. I do plan on enlisting help, and have an airbrush and good block colors for each participant ( French, Saxony, Poles, Austrians, Russians, Prussians, and all the other associated minor powers).

El Estrago Bonito
Dec 17, 2010

Scout Finch Bitch
Does anyone know if there would be interest in some very cheap balsa wood FoW bases?

I started making them when I was bored and things were drying and continued well beyond what I needed for my army and would totally offload the extras and any more I happen to make when I'm bored for very very very cheap. They aren't total rear end either since they are made from decent quality Aircraft Balsa.

CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!
Are these detailed bases or just flat rectangular shapes? If the latter, I could use about 10 or 15 small bases for use as Booby Trap markers.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?

YF19pilot posted:

Are these detailed bases or just flat rectangular shapes? If the latter, I could use about 10 or 15 small bases for use as Booby Trap markers.

Litko makes lasercut wooden bases in FoW sizes, FYI.

LintMan
Mar 12, 2006
Be seening you
Over weekend a bunch of NZ wargamers decided to refight Borodino. Every regiment who took part is represented. With over 4500 infantry, 1000 cav and 160 gun models it was extremely impressive.
We used Blackpowder and everything flowed nicely. We even got a result!
I commanded the centre right an Davout I Corp with 3 infantry divisions, the corp cav and artillery. Most of the photos are from my attacks to take the fleches.
At first my corp took a while to get into place. Then with a corp order of “Storm the Fleches!” and a few good command rolls saw the entire corp get stuck and overran the left gun position.
It was an epic battle as the fleches changed hands 8 times become it became clear the Russian infantry were expended but their Cavalry and guns formed up behind the fleches preventing any further advancement.
I called in support from II Resever Cav corp, with 2 bridges of Cuirassiers and 1 light cav brigade. Napoleon himself released a division of young guard to ensure the Russian centre broke.
We such fine troops I pushed forward breaking several divisions and causing Bagrations 2nd Western army to break. Dispatches from my right confirm that the Poles with aid from Junots corp of 2 divisions secured the road.
News from my left was also good as the forces there claim the great redoubt.
On our far left things were not so well. The Russian cavalry crushed an entire French corp and shattered several neighbouring divisions before Napoleon order the artillery reserve to halt the advance.

All in all a great result. The best thing was combining 20 wargamers from throughout in one huge game.
Sorry for the picture quality I spent most of my time fighting hard the fleches and only briefly had time to take pictures from the left flank.

[Edit] Looks like Chris Packer has taken some video. First part has been uploaded to youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nglNHTaYJU




LintMan fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Sep 10, 2012

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

LintMan posted:

Over weekend a bunch of NZ wargamers decided to refight Borodino. Every regiment who took part is represented. With over 4500 infantry, 1000 cav and 160 gun models it was extremely impressive.
:aaaaa: This. Is. Awesome.
I'm a sucker for large-scale historical battles, even if the battlefield shape has to make concessions to accessibility.

Mr.Booger
Nov 13, 2004
That looks absolutely awesome, and this is why I started into Napoleonics.

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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
That is loving fantastic. There's no way I could run a game like that, but I'd love to play one.

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