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Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer

Shrieking Muppet posted:

A member of our data review group is trying to tell me my solution preparation is wrong because a volumetric flask is less accurate than a graduated cylinder.

Day 47. Was feeling good this morning. After last night's session with Marcy in prep, I felt a break through was in the air. We were about the crack this development wide open. Then I got it, a call from DRG. Old DRG always knows how to drag you right back into the mire. I'd go for a walk in the rain to clear my head, but then I'd have to fill out an F412

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Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Shrieking Muppet posted:

A member of our data review group is trying to tell me my solution preparation is wrong because a volumetric flask is less accurate than a graduated cylinder.
Wow, that person is an idiot.

Wrex Ruckus
Aug 24, 2015

Shrieking Muppet posted:

A member of our data review group is trying to tell me my solution preparation is wrong because a volumetric flask is less accurate than a graduated cylinder.

It's right there in the name!

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
I called four of my operators in on a Saturday to manufacture an urgent batch, with some of them driving in from 1.5 hours away (bay area madness), and the formulators loving canceled the batch at 10:15AM once everyone was already here.

Way to ruin all their weekends, assholes. At least they get 2X OT Pay for the full day for it.

Rozzbot
Nov 4, 2009

Pork, lamb, chicken and ham
Are there any thread recommended reads for people who stumble into a position where they suddenly find themselves responsible for setting up a lab?
I've got 100m² and dreams of storage space.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Rozzbot posted:

Are there any thread recommended reads for people who stumble into a position where they suddenly find themselves responsible for setting up a lab?
I've got 100m² and dreams of storage space.
I've built a lab from scratch before. I was working with a guy who did it before and he helped me out. Our cabinet guy was really helpful too. Visualize everything. Plan out workflows. Everything revolves around the sink. Giant sinks that you can access from multiple angles in the middle of the room are amazing. Put your heavy equipment on adjustable height tables so you can allow short people to ergonomically access the tops of autosamplers. A table also gives the same amount of bench space, storage underneath, and costs $2k per spot less than the equivalent bench. Do an airflow analysis if you have hoods. Spend money up front so you're not constantly cycling in hot/cold air and sending your heating/cooling bill through the roof. Look where your intake/return is for the hoods. You want them as far apart as possible.

Wall cabinets are kinda a pain, tbh. They are expensive and oftentimes less useful than more open free bench space.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Rozzbot posted:

Are there any thread recommended reads for people who stumble into a position where they suddenly find themselves responsible for setting up a lab?
I've got 100m² and dreams of storage space.

I initially read this as 100 square feet and was going to ask who the hell you pissed off. :doh:

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

what you do is make sure that the cold air vent is blowing directly down onto your most temperature-dependent setups at all times, even in the middle of winter

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
You also have to make sure that the exhaust from your fume hoods is right by most traveled entrance of the building.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Dance Officer posted:

You also have to make sure that the exhaust from your fume hoods is right by most traveled entrance of the building.

Our cafeteria exhaust is close enough to our lab intake that I smell bacon every morning right around 5am.

Breakfast opens after my night ends so I never get the bacon.

I really want the bacon.

Rozzbot
Nov 4, 2009

Pork, lamb, chicken and ham
Your lab doesn't have its own hot plate?!

Rozzbot
Nov 4, 2009

Pork, lamb, chicken and ham
But thanks for the tips, especially Dik Hz!

Depending how hot we are working, our solvents are either aqueous or inorganic oxides, so my ventilation requirements are primarily for dust control and heat extraction which is a lot easier to manage than what you carbon touchers have to deal with.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

Mr Newsman posted:

Career progression question:

Currently work as a "Liquid Handling Automation Specialist" but my title is Senior RA. Have a masters in bioengineering and do a lot of genetics work right now.

My role currently involves programming with the Hamilton Star and running samples through my methods. I did some FSE work prior on some bulk dispensers which is how I got into this.

Recently had a mid year review and it's difficult to identify growth opportunities to pursue. I'm the only one here doing this sort of work so there's not much in the way of mentoring opportunities either. I'm doing fine and the boss is happy with what I've got done so far since starting, but I'm starting to get a bit bored now that I've got the bulk of my programming done. I'm not really a part of the actual science that's going on currently, but my group is more along the lines of helping therapeutic areas figure out how to get the data they want anyways.

I'm happy to use my free time at work to do personal growth projects but having a hard time coming up with things. I'm not sure what sort of job comes next here but I was going to poke around various postings and identify some skills to work on.

Any thoughts? Like I'm happy with my job but just getting bored now that the initial rush of learning a new system is over. I know it's kind of vague but TLDR: have some spare time and want to keep learning new things to prevent being bored, but also want it to be relevant to my current role.

How are you at scripting? Good STAR programmers here (SoCal) make 100k+ easy.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees
I just got approved for an internal transfer from pharmaceutical qc/micro to a LIMS/MODA Business analyst position (exciting!). But I got it based on my qc / gmp / change control experience not coding experience. Does anyone have suggestions for what I can start working on that'll benefit me for this new role on the programming side of things?

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003

Spikes32 posted:

I just got approved for an internal transfer from pharmaceutical qc/micro to a LIMS/MODA Business analyst position (exciting!). But I got it based on my qc / gmp / change control experience not coding experience. Does anyone have suggestions for what I can start working on that'll benefit me for this new role on the programming side of things?

Which LIMS?

What are your responsibilities going to be? Will it primarily be gathering requirements from the business, documenting, and passing the work on to the developers or will you be making changes to the LIMS directly and serving as a system administrator?

Lyon fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Dec 22, 2019

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Lyon posted:

Which LIMS?

What are your responsibilities going to be? Will it primarily be gathering requirements from the business, documenting, and passing the work on to the developers or will you be making changes to the LIMS directly and serving as a system administrator?

I get a real kick out of you selling LIMS products to this thread for like ten straight years. :v:

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees

Lyon posted:

Which LIMS?

What are your responsibilities going to be? Will it primarily be gathering requirements from the business, documenting, and passing the work on to the developers or will you be making changes to the LIMS directly and serving as a system administrator?

I believe it's labware lims though I could be wrong about that. I haven't actually started in the role yet. I'll be making changes to the system directly and serving as system admin. I'll be serving as system admin for labware, moda and openlab CDS /Chem station. We worked with lims devs for the initial rollout to build it out for us, but that was three years ago now we mostly make changes and new methods ourselves.

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003

Sundae posted:

I get a real kick out of you selling LIMS products to this thread for like ten straight years. :v:

I hosed up the one real good opportunity I found here in the thread unfortunately. I’ve actually switched roles to a technical sales/sales “engineer” position so I’m not direct sales anymore but still always on the lookout for opportunities. I work for LabVantage and our product is hands down the best in the market of the major industry agnostic LIMS (us, LabWare, StarLIMS, Thermo).

We are continually enhancing our LIMS, ELN/LES, and we are adding SDMS to our core offering. Our current major competitors won’t exist in 20 years (or they’ll just be collecting legacy support revenue) unless they make some major changes. It will be us and IDBS fighting for the market depending on if the customer is thinking from the LIMS or ELN perspective.

Spikes32 posted:

I believe it's labware lims though I could be wrong about that. I haven't actually started in the role yet. I'll be making changes to the system directly and serving as system admin. I'll be serving as system admin for labware, moda and openlab CDS /Chem station. We worked with lims devs for the initial rollout to build it out for us, but that was three years ago now we mostly make changes and new methods ourselves.

Oh boy have fun! LabWare uses a programming language they developed called LIMS Basic which is based on Basic (surprise) so you might want to start brushing up on Basic basics. You’ll also want to start learning SQL. There are some differences depending on if you’re using Oracle or SQL Server but the major principles are all the same.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Lyon posted:

I hosed up the one real good opportunity I found here in the thread unfortunately. I’ve actually switched roles to a technical sales/sales “engineer” position so I’m not direct sales anymore but still always on the lookout for opportunities. I work for LabVantage and our product is hands down the best in the market of the major industry agnostic LIMS (us, LabWare, StarLIMS, Thermo).

Eh I wouldn't blame you.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees

Lyon posted:

Oh boy have fun! LabWare uses a programming language they developed called LIMS Basic which is based on Basic (surprise) so you might want to start brushing up on Basic basics. You’ll also want to start learning SQL. There are some differences depending on if you’re using Oracle or SQL Server but the major principles are all the same.

Well that'll be fun! Ah well thanks for the heads up.

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003
I know some LabWare folks so if you have more specific questions let me know. I can probably get you answers.

Spikes32
Jul 25, 2013

Happy trees

Lyon posted:

I know some LabWare folks so if you have more specific questions let me know. I can probably get you answers.

I don't have pms but have a few more questions I'd like to ask, do you have an email I can send your way?

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003

Spikes32 posted:

I don't have pms but have a few more questions I'd like to ask, do you have an email I can send your way?

Sure, ecksile @ gmail will work.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost
Anyone gonna be at SLAS this year?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Today, I had the amazing privilege of meeting with a county fire marshal at work to discuss the matter of our entire facility design not meeting fire code and wondering how we ever got approval for it in the first place. :suicide:

Long story short: The entire facility is based off of one main corridor that goes in a circle but has ingress and egress controls at opposite ends (dividing it into a controlled-access lab area and an uncontrolled office area), with everything based off of that central corridor. I threw together a rough schematic of our office area / airlock for the purposes of this post...



The airlock in the top left comes out of the controlled lab area. Elevators, of course, are not emergency egress routes. That staircase around the corner is the actual lab emergency egress. Ends up that the people who built our facility forgot that the fire code doesn't just say "thou shalt have 44 inches of clearance," but that it also says "emergency routes may not have anything whatsoever, at all, in their path. Nothing of any sort whatsoever may be stored or placed in an emergency egress corridor."

Just below that airlock is our newly-determined emergency egress corridor-kitchen. It isn't wide enough to classify as a room, is in an emergency exit route, and also is classified as a kitchen. It has tables, chairs, a fridge, cabinets, water cooler, plants, sinks, shelves, etc. The dotted-line area where all our materials and mail are dropped off. The bottom area is more shelves, cabinets, printers and a photocopier. That's all hallway technically, and it's all emergency route. That conference room placement? Creates more "hallway" for the cubicle-dwellers south of it. The conference room door open outward and can block their shortest emergency exit. (There are actually more offices on the southwest wall too, but I got lazy and didn't draw them.)

That large room in the northern middle? It's a lab area that needs to dispose of laboratory waste and hazardous waste daily. Where's the freight/warehouse elevator (can't take waste in a standard personnel elevator)? It's the one over by that airlock in the northwest corner. You know... the one on the other side of the kitchen. The kitchen that hazardous and laboratory waste aren't allowed to pass through because people eat there.

I have to work with our site architects to figure out who designed the floor originally and sacrifice them to the gods figure out a redesign for the entire office so that we remove all the copiers, kitchen, tables, mail boxes, package dropoffs, cabinets, etc etc from the corridor. Where will we put them? Nowhere. There's nowhere left. We have no spare rooms. The architects didn't put any closets or storage rooms into our floor. :lol:

In a week or two once we figure out the plan (we get 60 days to fix it before they come back to re-inspect), I get to tell the people on my floor that I'm (probably, barring some sort of exception agreement) ripping out their goddamned break room and copier. :suicide:

Snack Bitch
May 15, 2008

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Sundae posted:

Today, I had the amazing privilege of meeting with a county fire marshal at work to discuss the matter of our entire facility design not meeting fire code and wondering how we ever got approval for it in the first place. :suicide:

Long story short: The entire facility is based off of one main corridor that goes in a circle but has ingress and egress controls at opposite ends (dividing it into a controlled-access lab area and an uncontrolled office area), with everything based off of that central corridor. I threw together a rough schematic of our office area / airlock for the purposes of this post...



The airlock in the top left comes out of the controlled lab area. Elevators, of course, are not emergency egress routes. That staircase around the corner is the actual lab emergency egress. Ends up that the people who built our facility forgot that the fire code doesn't just say "thou shalt have 44 inches of clearance," but that it also says "emergency routes may not have anything whatsoever, at all, in their path. Nothing of any sort whatsoever may be stored or placed in an emergency egress corridor."

Just below that airlock is our newly-determined emergency egress corridor-kitchen. It isn't wide enough to classify as a room, is in an emergency exit route, and also is classified as a kitchen. It has tables, chairs, a fridge, cabinets, water cooler, plants, sinks, shelves, etc. The dotted-line area where all our materials and mail are dropped off. The bottom area is more shelves, cabinets, printers and a photocopier. That's all hallway technically, and it's all emergency route. That conference room placement? Creates more "hallway" for the cubicle-dwellers south of it. The conference room door open outward and can block their shortest emergency exit. (There are actually more offices on the southwest wall too, but I got lazy and didn't draw them.)

That large room in the northern middle? It's a lab area that needs to dispose of laboratory waste and hazardous waste daily. Where's the freight/warehouse elevator (can't take waste in a standard personnel elevator)? It's the one over by that airlock in the northwest corner. You know... the one on the other side of the kitchen. The kitchen that hazardous and laboratory waste aren't allowed to pass through because people eat there.

I have to work with our site architects to figure out who designed the floor originally and sacrifice them to the gods figure out a redesign for the entire office so that we remove all the copiers, kitchen, tables, mail boxes, package dropoffs, cabinets, etc etc from the corridor. Where will we put them? Nowhere. There's nowhere left. We have no spare rooms. The architects didn't put any closets or storage rooms into our floor. :lol:

In a week or two once we figure out the plan (we get 60 days to fix it before they come back to re-inspect), I get to tell the people on my floor that I'm (probably, barring some sort of exception agreement) ripping out their goddamned break room and copier. :suicide:

Well, it seems that the break room and copier are a glitch in the hallway and you are fixing the glitch. No problem

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Snack Bitch posted:

Well, it seems that the break room and copier are a glitch in the hallway and you are fixing the glitch. No problem

But there's a coffee maker in that glitch! :negative:

Dance Officer
May 4, 2017

It would be awesome if we could dance!
Well I'll be damned. My boss actually went through with something, and we're now hosting some (final year) students two days a week to validate our methods.

And, since my boss isn't around much, that task falls on me. Their first day wasn't promising. Messed up making standards and stock solutions, tried pouring water into concentrated acids, left a mess and a bunch of other stupidity.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

At work today, someone was trying to pull the lid off a vacuum desiccator and wound up breaking the glass cage around one of our scales. Without missing a beat, I said, "Sounds like someone lost his balance." I think I've peaked.

Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer
That pun has a 40 year retention time

vivisectvnv
Aug 5, 2003
please provide a full breakdown of the delivety... cadence, general volume, position to to target etc thnx in advance

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006
DEA showed up today to audit our controlled substances, happens yearly no big deal. They just talk to our controlled substance officer, weigh some things and thank us for our time. Since the word audit was spoken our QA site head seems to think they have to be involved. She’s a control freak and generally only seems concerned with making her job easier without any concern for how it impacts others, this has yielded the coveted title of ‘least like person on site’. She seemed to think the DEA are just like the FDA and attempted control the audit as such. Much to the amusement of everyone after about five minutes she was told to go away by the agent because the only person they want to talk to is the one who signs the paperwork for these materials and her prescience was “disruptive” to the audit.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
How on earth does a QA site lead not know the difference between a real audit and an annual DEA audit/reconciliation? :wtc:

Snack Bitch
May 15, 2008

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

Sundae posted:

How on earth does a QA site lead not know the difference between a real audit and an annual DEA audit/reconciliation? :wtc:

Well the safety officer at my site has been trying to get use to smash down bags of solid chemical waste with a hammer so we can fit a few extra bags per drum. These bags have glass in them. Idiots are everywhere.

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006

Sundae posted:

How on earth does a QA site lead not know the difference between a real audit and an annual DEA audit/reconciliation? :wtc:

She thinks QA should be in involved in every little thing we do here, she decided one day to write a SOP for DEA visits, EHS said was a dumb idea, seems they were proven right. A previous episode that came up a few years ago is she wanted to restrict us to one brand of pen in blue or black. This was shouted down by purchasing and the admins who realized they wanted to keep her away from there poo poo as much as possible.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Shrieking Muppet posted:

She thinks QA should be in involved in every little thing we do here, she decided one day to write a SOP for DEA visits, EHS said was a dumb idea, seems they were proven right. A previous episode that came up a few years ago is she wanted to restrict us to one brand of pen in blue or black. This was shouted down by purchasing and the admins who realized they wanted to keep her away from there poo poo as much as possible.

If you can get me a job as your site lead, I'll make it my first priority to fire her silly rear end. :v:

Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006

Sundae posted:

If you can get me a job as your site lead, I'll make it my first priority to fire her silly rear end. :v:

We have an opening as a lead in our small scale manufacturing dept but I wouldn't wish this mess on my worst enemy.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Shrieking Muppet posted:

We have an opening as a lead in our small scale manufacturing dept but I wouldn't wish this mess on my worst enemy.

sounds perfect for Sundae!

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Discendo Vox posted:

sounds perfect for Sundae!

:negative:

I'm actually not looking right now, at least not actively. It feels like cheating to job hunt while on 100%-paid paternity leave, and I still do like my job. :3:

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Shrieking Muppet
Jul 16, 2006
So had the eval meeting my with my supervisor, surprisingly she asked me if I would take on being the instrument bitch in our group. This would involve coordinating PMs, repairs and change controls. Part of the reason i left my last group was because i didn’t want to become the NMR mechanic. Now I’m here getting asked if i want to become a part time XRD/KF/DSC/Particle Size mechanic. Part of me wants to just tell no thanks but it would add job security. On the other hand the career path of onsite instrument mechanic is basically seems to only end with traveling instrument service engineer which I don’t really want. I was considering trying to migrate to method development since those jobs are usually more abundant but that leads to long hours and dealing with customers and makes me stay in pharma. Anyone have some suggestions on what questions i should ask about this role or own experiences being the instrument person?

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