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McCloud posted:Turns out a lot of people think both Antifa and the nazi demonstrators are just same type of trash with a different authoritarian flavour. The logic is that "if no one cared the nazis would go away, and afa is playing in to their hands by confronting them, because they want attention". Yea, I know those bullshit arguments, no matter what anyone does it totally play either into the Nazis hands or the liberal establishment who can't wait to collaborate with them takes pity on the poor little hurt Nazi feelings gently caress that poo poo, Nazis deserve violence
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Revelation 2-13 posted:No, you see, the people explicitly and openly advocating for, and supporting, the genocide of people with different skin colors, are pretty much the same as the people who are trying to stop them for advocating/enacting mass murder and spreading their hateful ideology. It's really two sides of the same coin when you think about it and both sides are pretty bad. I think there's this part in people where they don't think losers like the NMR can accomplish anything, and are ultimately harmless, so why not let them have their little parade, because what's the worst that can happen? Add to that that AFA do stupid poo poo like throwing rocks and firecrackers at the mounted police and cause collateral damage, and the end result is that people see their involvement as just needlessly causing problems for everyone for something that wasn't considered an issue to begin with. Of course, one only needs to look at what happened in Charloteville to see how very quickly nazis can grow out of control. There needs to be a cost associated with being a nazi, and since these losers probably don't have much of a social circle outside of nazis, having a bunch of people bash your head in will have to be the cost they pay. But attacking police and causing damage to public property just turns people against AFA, and is only counterproductive. Especially in a situation like this when the police actually seem like they're doing a good job
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skipThings posted:
On this, we're agreed.
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McCloud posted:So what exactly happened yesterday with the protests? I read that the nazis tried to change the marching route and the police used that as an excuse to shut the whole thing down. Why did they try going a different route? Why didn't they listen to the police? Apparently, the original route they applied for was longer and also went right past a synagogue. The police had the approved route shortened and changed. For some mysterious reason, it was really important to them to march past this synagogue?
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Anta posted:Apparently, the original route they applied for was longer and also went right past a synagogue. The police had the approved route shortened and changed. The police didn't, but a court overruled the permit that the police gave (i.e the one passing by the book con and the synagogue). The attempted breakthrough aimed at getting through the police blockade and charge the book con afaik.
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skipThings posted:Yea, I know those bullshit arguments, no matter what anyone does it totally play either into the Nazis hands or the liberal establishment who can't wait to collaborate with them takes pity on the poor little hurt Nazi feelings And yet the majority of the antifa were non-violence and they outnumber the nazis by a lot. That is a pretty great way of showing the nazis how few they are. Bonus point comes when the nazis inevitably gently caress up and gets grabbed by the police. The ones similar to the nazis are the minority of the antifa that are only there for the violence. Finally there is no political side in Sweden that wants to have anything to do with the nazis and they have no power whatsoever. But keep on living in your bubble.
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Anta posted:For some mysterious reason, it was really important to them to march past this synagogue? It's all very mysterious. 
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McCloud posted:Of course, one only needs to look at what happened in Charloteville to see how very quickly nazis can grow out of control. There needs to be a cost associated with being a nazi, and since these losers probably don't have much of a social circle outside of nazis, having a bunch of people bash your head in will have to be the cost they pay. But attacking police and causing damage to public property just turns people against AFA, and is only counterproductive. Especially in a situation like this when the police actually seem like they're doing a good job Thing is, how are you supposed to know in advance whether the cops decide to actually do their jobs this time or if they decide to just let the nazis do their thing? They don't exactly have a stellar track record here. EDIT: Also it doesn't really matter what antifa do or don't do, the liberals are too in love with both sides-ism to care.
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I want to believe that the police allowed the nazis to do their illegal "practice" march earlier to trick them into believing that they could get away with poo poo this time.
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my girlfriend is Legos posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqOJgV6rDa8
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Cardiac posted:Finally there is no political side in Sweden that wants to have anything to do with the nazis and they have no power whatsoever. But keep on living in your bubble. Except for the Swedendemocrats, but keep on living in your bubble, Pal.
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Savage Cracker posted:All I want is to get rid of a few ethnic, religious and sexual minorities and if you can't respect that then you're the nazi  MiddleOne posted:It's all very mysterious. lilljonas posted:The police didn't, but a court overruled the permit that the police gave (i.e the one passing by the book con and the synagogue). evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Thing is, how are you supposed to know in advance whether the cops decide to actually do their jobs this time or if they decide to just let the nazis do their thing? They don't exactly have a stellar track record here. True, cops history with dealing with demonstrations isn't stellar, wasn't it a month or so ago they let a bunch of nazis demonstrate without a permit? But I also kind of feel that attacking the police accomplishes nothing, and is counterproductive. If the police are outright hostile then yeah, but that was not the case yesterday. As an aside, how the hell is the NMR protest not classified as "hets mot folkgrupp"? These guys aren't being coy about being nazis,they're not hiding their intentions in doublespeak. McCloud fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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McCloud posted:True, cops history with dealing with demonstrations isn't stellar, wasn't it a month or so ago they let a bunch of nazis demonstrate without a permit? But I also kind of feel that attacking the police accomplishes nothing, and is counterproductive. Again, how are counterprotesters supposed to know how the cops are going to act in advance? Unless you know a hotline to Nostradamus himself, you're kinda asking for the impossible here.
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I'm asking that they not go in assuming cops will be violent dicks, and instead hold off on throwing rocks on them until they act out of line. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Ultimately aggression against cops, even if they would have been protecting the nazis, would not have been productive. But then again, my contact with the police is non existent, and I'm a white middleclass male, so I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt in that they're actually trying to do their jobs in limiting collateral damage and injuries, instead of having a pro-nazi agenda or wanting to bash some heads. I'd like to think our police is held to a higher standard than the US or UK ones, but 
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Cardiac posted:The ones similar to the nazis are the minority of the antifa that are only there for the violence. No, they're not. 
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Being there in an antifa capacity and being there solely for the violence seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Meanwhile, apparently 22 of the 23 kept in police custody are nazis.
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In the 90s in Copenhagen, anti-fascist (mostly just called anti-racists at the time) would have to patrol the streets in the evenings because neo-nazis groups would literally be out looking for immigrants kids to beat up, immigrant shop windows to break and set fire to, and the police didn't do gently caress all. Plenty of 'moderate' politicians would go on and on about them 'just looking for a fight' back then too. Fighting nazis is not something you do because you're 'just in it for the violence'. If that's your thing you join the football violence. In addition, antifa is not some monolithic entity, with a single unified purpose, some of them do see police primarily as tool of capitalist oppression and want to smash the symbols of capitalism and so on. However, as long as they're fighting nazis, and if you're too pussy/busy to join in, please just get out of their way and say thank you when they're done. If it's so important for you to point out 'both sides!!!', then at least save the 'some are bad eggs!&$!' moralizing for when they smash up a McDonalds or something, so you have just a fig leaf of a moral leg to stand on.
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Cardiac posted:Finally there is no political side in Sweden that wants to have anything to do with the nazis and they have no power whatsoever. But keep on living in your bubble. Literal nazi Jimmie Åkesson would like a word with you Cerebral Bore posted:Thing is, how are you supposed to know in advance whether the cops decide to actually do their jobs this time or if they decide to just let the nazis do their thing? They don't exactly have a stellar track record here. Indeed. Last time nazis (illegally) marched in Norway, cops protected them and arrested the protesters. TheRat fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 1, 2017 |
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Revelation 2-13 posted:In the 90s in Copenhagen, anti-fascist (mostly just called anti-racists at the time) would have to patrol the streets in the evenings because neo-nazis groups would literally be out looking for immigrants kids to beat up, immigrant shop windows to break and set fire to, and the police didn't do gently caress all. Plenty of 'moderate' politicians would go on and on about them 'just looking for a fight' back then too. Don't forget the Swedish nazi letter bombing International Socialists and killing a dude, which the police insisted for years was a bomb-building mishap despite being in possession of clear evidence to the contrary. I simply can't imagine why anti-fascists would distrust the police.
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my girlfriend is Legos posted:
See both sides are just as bad.
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SplitSoul posted:Don't forget the Swedish nazi letter bombing International Socialists and killing a dude, which the police insisted for years was a bomb-building mishap despite being in possession of clear evidence to the contrary. I simply can't imagine why anti-fascists would distrust the police.
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I wonder if in Scandinavia there is the same "let's all join the police force" campaigns that KKK and neo-nazis have done for the last few decades in the US, where you find officers, sergeants, and even higher ups with nazi and supremacist tattoos.
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SplitSoul posted:Don't forget the Swedish nazi letter bombing International Socialists and killing a dude, which the police insisted for years was a bomb-building mishap despite being in possession of clear evidence to the contrary. I simply can't imagine why anti-fascists would distrust the police. Wait, what? When did this happen?
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Sandweed posted:See both sides are just as bad. clearly the people oppressed by the police are the victims here
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McCloud posted:Wait, what? When did this happen? 92
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McCloud posted:Wait, what? When did this happen? https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ller%C3%B8dgadebomben And the nazi network ORG got the information for their "traitor" registry from a police officer: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORG
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Neeksy posted:I wonder if in Scandinavia there is the same "let's all join the police force" campaigns that KKK and neo-nazis have done for the last few decades in the US, where you find officers, sergeants, and even higher ups with nazi and supremacist tattoos. I don't think so. At least not these days. The loser fuckups probably won't even get in and the more capable ones are more likely to join one of our scandinavian "we're NOT nazis (officially anymore)" parties.
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You could try but one of the hassles of Sweden (like Scandinavia in general) taking police competency seriously is that you're extremely like to get weeded out at some stage of the education or application process if you're a radical. If you're going to swing that way you have to fall into it after you're already half-way in or hide it really well. Like that excluded SD-youth party guy in Stockholm who is still a professional military paratrooper despite being an outspoken neo-nazi. In the US any idiot can with a high-school diploma can join up, get through the very short a rudimentary education process and wear a badge and gun. Not quite so here.
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Oh, forgot to mention, the cop that did over 8,000 searches of police databases and the Civil Registration System to fill up the ORG "traitor" registry with personal information like street addresses, names of spouses, etc., was merely given probation and fired. They only charged him with unwarranted access, not the fact that he passed the information on to his secret nazi network. Why all the distrust for law enforcement, anti-fascists? Why? MiddleOne posted:(like Scandinavia in general) taking police competency seriously  Yeah, sure, like our new six-month course to become a cadet that any idiot 18-year-old without a high school diploma can apply for.
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SplitSoul posted:Oh, forgot to mention, the cop that did over 8,000 searches of police databases and the Civil Registration System to fill up the ORG "traitor" registry with personal information like street addresses, names of spouses, etc., was merely given probation and fired. They only charged him with unwarranted access, not the fact that he passed the information on to his secret nazi network. wow thats hosed up
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SplitSoul posted:
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SplitSoul posted:Oh, forgot to mention, the cop that did over 8,000 searches of police databases and the Civil Registration System to fill up the ORG "traitor" registry with personal information like street addresses, names of spouses, etc., was merely given probation and fired. They only charged him with unwarranted access, not the fact that he passed the information on to his secret nazi network.
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gently caress the police: https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/svenske-victoria-raser-mot-norsk-politi-etter-utlendingskontroll--apenbart-raseprofilering/68755828
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Alhazred posted:gently caress the police: 
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Alhazred posted:gently caress the police: Ah, Kawesa, the resigned leader of Fi who will be on trial for forging "scientific papers in genus theory" (which is an achievement in a field made up of make belief). Also known for not paying her illegal cleaner (the latter might be another Fi profile). For some reason I would take her statement with a grain of salt.
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Next election I'm going to print out some dickbutts and slip into the voting envelopes. 
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Cardiac posted:Ah, Kawesa, the resigned leader of Fi who will be on trial for forging "scientific papers in genus theory" (which is an achievement in a field made up of make belief). Also known for not paying her illegal cleaner (the latter might be another Fi profile). nice dig, the other woman who was with her confirmed the story though.
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