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They should switch to Prick city, a comic just as mediocre but with a cute animal mascot for the kids.
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At first I was like "hell yeah socialism" and then I was like "oh wait, it's just a russia thing"
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loquacius posted:At first I was like "hell yeah socialism" and then I was like "oh wait, it's just a russia thing" nationalize telecomms and social media 
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loquacius posted:At first I was like "hell yeah socialism" and then I was like "oh wait, it's just a russia thing" I didn't even get it at first, probably because I didn't want to believe even Bennett had fallen to that level.
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tyblazitar posted:I didn't even get it at first, probably because I didn't want to believe even Bennett had fallen to that level. Seriously. "Right-wing ultra-nationalist petrostate" does not beget "comrade," dammit!
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Sep 15, 2017 16:03
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D.N. Nation posted:Seriously. "Right-wing ultra-nationalist petrostate" does not beget "comrade," dammit! That, combined with the fact that the whole "Russians bought $100k worth of FB ads" is completely insignificant to begin with.
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Man has walked on the moon, and sent probes out of the solar system. Been to the bottom of the ocean, near enough. We've cured polio, eradicated smallpox. Built the Parthenon and the Pyramids. We're connected 24/7, on a device that fits in a pocket. Amy Adams exists. So we were kind of justified in thinking we were doing pretty well. But with this cartoon newspaper headline, we've actually reached the peak, the apotheosis of mankind. So just loving wrap it up, humanityailures, we're done here.
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tyblazitar posted:That, combined with the fact that the whole "Russians bought $100k worth of FB ads" is completely insignificant to begin with. How so?
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Discendo Vox posted:How so? 100 grand is a drop in the ocean of propaganda spending by both Russia and the US, but every single example of Russia or Russians doing anything related to US politics gets blown out of proportion by media that wants to push the establishment dem narrative of "Russia hacked the election!".
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I do. Thanks for the link. tyblazitar posted:100 grand is a drop in the ocean of propaganda spending by both Russia and the US, but every single example of Russia or Russians doing anything related to US politics gets blown out of proportion by media that wants to push the establishment dem narrative of "Russia hacked the election!". I mean I think it's more than a Dem narrative. FBI, CIA various cybersecurity firms, and even Republicans have all agreed that hacking occurred. CNN has a pretty good timeline with sources/links. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/index.html
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JerikTelorian posted:I mean I think it's more than a Dem narrative. FBI, CIA various cybersecurity firms, and even Republicans have all agreed that hacking occurred. CNN has a pretty good timeline with sources/links. I'm more referring to the "nefarious Russians are the main reason we lost the election, no need for introspection or fundamental changes to our politics, rhetoric or strategy" narrative. I don't think anyone's disputing that there was some attempts from Russia to influence the election result, just like there's hardly a single election on Earth where the US isn't trying to influence it to advance their own interests, legally or otherwise.
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tyblazitar posted:I'm more referring to the "nefarious Russians are the main reason we lost the election, no need for introspection or fundamental changes to our politics, rhetoric or strategy" narrative. I don't think anyone's disputing that there was some attempts from Russia to influence the election result, just like there's hardly a single election on Earth where the US isn't trying to influence it to advance their own interests, legally or otherwise. "Russia is getting its tendrils worryingly deep into our political infrastructure" is the kind of introspection you say isn't happening. It's not blaming Russia, it's "how the gently caress did we let this happen."
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OK I went a long time without a smartphone and I have a GPS and a "real" camera. Neither is as good as what I have on my phone. The GPS is out-of-date and I have to pay to update it. I still use it on long trips because of phone battery stuff, but away from my car it does me no good. The camera I have, admittedly, is old, but honestly I don't want to carry around a big camera for a few snapshots of places I visit. I'm not a photographer. The mp3 thing maybe he has a point, but I'm not an audiophile either, and I don't use mono bluetooth speakers.
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Johnny Walker posted:OK I went a long time without a smartphone and I have a GPS and a "real" camera. Neither is as good as what I have on my phone. The GPS is out-of-date and I have to pay to update it. I still use it on long trips because of phone battery stuff, but away from my car it does me no good. The camera I have, admittedly, is old, but honestly I don't want to carry around a big camera for a few snapshots of places I visit. I'm not a photographer. In true Rall fashion he has managed to take something that's easy to criticize from a leftist or consumer perspective, and criticize it in the shittiest way possible. "Ugh, people should spend thousands of dollars on all these different high-quality products instead of getting access to the same technologies in one comparatively affordable package!" - Noted champion of the proletariat and friend of the poors, Ted Rall.
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I kind of look at it as "here's evidence of $100k that was spent on Facebook ads, what else were they doing?" Because the investigation has shown that it's been more than just 1 approach. Also, I'm not sure how much "screen time" 100k gets you on Facebook as opposed to millions on ads for TV.
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Iron Crowned posted:To be honest, I'm shocked that Kelly has a Blu-Ray player It's not like he has much choice in the matter. 
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D.N. Nation posted:Seriously. "Right-wing ultra-nationalist petrostate" does not beget "comrade," dammit! I'd always just assumed "comrade" was Russian for "friend." Is that not right? tyblazitar posted:I'm more referring to the "nefarious Russians are the main reason we lost the election, no need for introspection or fundamental changes to our politics, rhetoric or strategy" narrative. I don't think anyone's disputing that there was some attempts from Russia to influence the election result, just like there's hardly a single election on Earth where the US isn't trying to influence it to advance their own interests, legally or otherwise. Is this a narrative you've heard a lot of? Most people I'm aware of, including Hillary Clinton, are saying that Russia is one of many reasons why we lost the election. But given how close it was, if any one of those reasons had been different it might have been enough to tip the result. There's also the question of "does Trump owe them anything in exchange for their help?"
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Jurgan posted:I'd always just assumed "comrade" was Russian for "friend." Is that not right? No, the word is not of Russian origin, but has been associated with Soviet Union because of the political meaning of it being rooted in socialism. I do not claim to know Russian but I am somewhat sure that "tovarisch" is the word you are looking for. e: same reg date! nice.
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Jurgan posted:Is this a narrative you've heard a lot of? Most people I'm aware of, including Hillary Clinton, are saying that Russia is one of many reasons why we lost the election. But given how close it was, if any one of those reasons had been different it might have been enough to tip the result. There's also the question of "does Trump owe them anything in exchange for their help?" For a while there was a sufficient level of hysteria around Russia that people got mad at politicians for trying to talk about healthcare instead sometimes (while the GOP was actively trying to repeal the ACA). I distinctly remember arguing with people about that ITT and being accused of being pro-Russian-interference. And yeah Bennett has been doing a whole lot of Russia toons all year
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tyblazitar posted:"nefarious Russians are the main reason we lost the election, no need for introspection or fundamental changes to our politics, rhetoric or strategy" Point to me someone in his forum whose bottom line on the elections is literally just "its Russia." No "yeah hrc has decades of poo poo sloshed all over her surname" or "Bernie would have won, but I held my nose and voted anyway" or "Dems sucked at the message," just the straight up single-minded narrativist you and others keep harping on. I don't think you can find one. This straw man does not actually exist. Cut it the gently caress out.
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Jurgan posted:I'd always just assumed "comrade" was Russian for "friend." Is that not right? Comrade is just the translation of the actual Russian word. Revolutions like to police language, under the assumption that the way you talk influences the way you think. Having everyone be a "comrade" would help usher the perfect equality of communism. For an older historical example of the same kind of thing, revolutionary France insisted on everyone being called "citizen" to break away with the feudal system of the monarchy where people where subjects, lords, or lieges. Using "sir" or "mister" back then was a good way to get yourself in jail or worse. This lexical fervor faded away in time and now nobody would use "citizen" to address someone, and likewise I doubt many people in Russia are still using calling people "comrade" but it's still ingrained in living memory so cartoonists still see it as a convenient shorthand for Russianness.
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Yes Komrade (pronounced Ca-Ma-Ra-d), these writings of John Clancy broke the feeble capitalostic american mind
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Cat Mattress posted:For an older historical example of the same kind of thing, revolutionary France insisted on everyone being called "citizen" to break away with the feudal system of the monarchy where people where subjects, lords, or lieges. Using "sir" or "mister" back then was a good way to get yourself in jail or worse. This lexical fervor faded away in time and now nobody would use "citizen" to address someone, and likewise I doubt many people in Russia are still using calling people "comrade" quote:but it's still ingrained in living memory so cartoonists still see it as a convenient shorthand for Russianness.
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So here's something this made me ponder: just how ignorant is the Republican party/your everyday R voter? Hear me out because it's not just a simple burn disguised as a question. They seem really good, and I mean REALLY good at taking an actual message or idea and missing just a small enough detail to make it seem crazy and outlandish. This cartoon being a prime example. See, I haven't heard a single person (aside from Republicans) claim that "hurricanes existing is proof of climate change." I believe the leading argument is actually that numerous large or record breaking hurricanes might be a result of climate change. So Republicans take that narrative and just slightly tweak it so that you're some crazy liberal loon for believing in climate change. They did the same poo poo with BLM. The (intentional?) failure to grasp the implied "too". No one was going around saying ONLY black lives matter, except guess who. Same could be said for socialism too. Wanting to implement some facets of socialism to benefit society turns into "the left just wants everyone to be paid the same for doing no work at all." Gun rights, you betcha. The reality is that most people leftists just want more strict regulations. The right's interpretation that they push 24/7: "Democrats want to confiscate all guns." I guess it's probably a combination of the two and there's probably even a term for this strategy, but are they actually incapable of comprehending their opponent's message or are they just being assholes?
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Potato Salad posted:Point to me someone in his forum whose bottom line on the elections is literally just "its Russia." No "yeah hrc has decades of poo poo sloshed all over her surname" or "Bernie would have won, but I held my nose and voted anyway" or "Dems sucked at the message," just the straight up single-minded narrativist you and others keep harping on. I don't think you can find one. This straw man does not actually exist. Cut it the gently caress out. (Assuming you meant "this forum".) I did not mention SA or goons at all (most of my observations in the wild have been on Twitter fwiw), and I'm sorry if it seems like I'm trying to rehash the same old 2016 primary arguments for the millionth time. Can we all just agree that the latest Bennett is bad and that he generally has been pretty bland the last year or so?
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I was the one who mentioned this thread, and I even found the post in question but I decided linking it would constitute stirring up old drama and elected not to
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My go-to example of this is probably people who bought into the "Planned Parenthood is selling baby parts  " thing
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"For the love of God, Trump!" "Yes, for the love of Trump!"
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's not like he has much choice in the matter. 
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Is this how equal rights have to come in? "Sorry old man, we don't do cis hetero same race marriages anymore" Because I'd actually support that.
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The gently caress do you think "sour grapes" means, Payne?
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I'm at least 80% sure this is a worse abuse of the source material than Branco's.
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