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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Speaking of Scion, revisiting the Hero book now that it's out and final and: Spending Legend still sucks, and is lovely, because regaining Legend sucks, and is lovely. At least fresh out of chargen at Legend 1 where you just, lose the ability to do god crap that involves Imbuing Legend if you ever pull the trigger on the more interesting stuff, until you derail the story to stock up. Like, the spend/regain Legend system seems like a bolted-on or aborted previous version of WoD-lite where you need to do the god-narrative equivalent of vampiric feeding for this one uncommon instance of a thing, in a game where otherwise you're pretty loosy-goosy with always-actives and per-scene commitments. And half the stuff you can spend it on isn't necessarily that much more narratively impactful than the regular Imbues! It's this that caused me my doubts about playing Scion despite getting the books in the mail.
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Xelkelvos posted:It's this that caused me my doubts about playing Scion despite getting the books in the mail. It just cries out for a 1.5e for one specific thing (higher-powered urban fantasy at the jump).
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Legend 1 is a bit rough, yeah. It gets way easier to deal with when you have even a second dot of it.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:06
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Mors Rattus posted:Legend 1 is a bit rough, yeah. It gets way easier to deal with when you have even a second dot of it. As fuel for things, yeah. But really, having power stats at 1 in other gamelines is a complete pain too. It's slightly less noticeable in 2e stuff, but out of the gate characters are going to have a harder time actually pulling off the most basic of powers unless you put dots on the sheet in an ideal way to give you a better starting pool. That's not always ideal for the character, but w/e it's going to happen. Probably worse for Scion if it's a spendable resource mechanic, but everyone has to start somewhere. Basically, if you're a new whatever, the basics should be a little bit of a drag to make it more obvious that you're getting stronger when those stats go up.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:18
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Jhet posted:As fuel for things, yeah. But really, having power stats at 1 in other gamelines is a complete pain too. It's slightly less noticeable in 2e stuff, but out of the gate characters are going to have a harder time actually pulling off the most basic of powers unless you put dots on the sheet in an ideal way to give you a better starting pool. That's not always ideal for the character, but w/e it's going to happen. Probably worse for Scion if it's a spendable resource mechanic, but everyone has to start somewhere.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:The other gamelines don't have a power pool of 1 at rating 1, they usually have a power pool of 10. And all of them have easily-repeated, explicitly off-screenable ways to regain pool. Fair. I was incorrectly equating Legend to Blood Potency or the like. If it’s better equated to Vitae or Mana then that’s pretty annoying.
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Jhet posted:Fair. I was incorrectly equating Legend to Blood Potency or the like. If it’s better equated to Vitae or Mana then that’s pretty annoying.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:36
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What does Nobilis have to do with free-form narrative, anyway?
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Jun 6, 2019 15:47
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Why can't my toad Noble turn people into toads Rand * I didn't play 3e
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Jun 6, 2019 16:01
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Werewolf: the Apocalypse - Earthblood is going to be shown off at E3.
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It sounds exciting till you realize they just used furry Homestuck fanart to remake Tokimeki Memorial. Hopefully the DLC will let you gently caress the apocalypse, though
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:It sounds exciting till you realize they just used furry Homestuck fanart to remake Tokimeki Memorial. Hopefully the DLC will let you gently caress the apocalypse, though Look I know you're joking but I would honestly give an absurd amount of money for a game where I can finally get Bone Gnawer-sempai to notice me.
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Hattie Masters posted:Look I know you're joking but I would honestly give an absurd amount of money for a game where I can finally get Bone Gnawer-sempai to notice me. That does sound rad but honestly I think making Earthblood a kart racer was the right move.
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I would love a Garou dating simulator but it would slam face-first into the most unsavory parts of Garou reproduction. In fact I think it would hit literally every bump on the way down.
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Hattie Masters posted:Look I know you're joking but I would honestly give an absurd amount of money for a game where I can finally get Bone Gnawer-sempai to notice me. A one-dot Fetish called "Necklace of Hamburgers." Rand Brittain posted:I would love a Garou dating simulator but it would slam face-first into the most unsavory parts of Garou reproduction. In fact I think it would hit literally every bump on the way down. Y'all seen these romance sim-style banner ads? poo poo like: You try and hold Crinos-chan's hand on the ferris wheel but she immediately bursts into war form and gets you both stuck inside the gondola. Then she frenzies. What do you do????
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Jun 7, 2019 15:27
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Why limit it to Werewolf when it could be all the WoD Splats? (except Beast)
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Jun 7, 2019 15:59
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a Beast dating sim would be actively the worst.
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Kurieg posted:a Beast dating sim would be actively the worst. A Beast dating sim would be The Bachelor.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Don't get me wrong, I still think it's eminently playable and the basic system is a nice sweet spot between WoD/Exalted crunchy dots and Nobilis-style "*massive bong rip* what are rules even, man?" freeform narrative. Nobilis is LESS freeform than WoD. 
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Y'all seen these romance sim-style banner ads? poo poo like: You try and hold Crinos-chan's hand on the ferris wheel but she immediately bursts into war form and gets you both stuck inside the gondola. Then she frenzies. What do you do???? Hand stuff.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Don't get me wrong, I still think it's eminently playable and the basic system is a nice sweet spot between WoD/Exalted crunchy dots and Nobilis-style "*massive bong rip* what are rules even, man?" freeform narrative. Yeah, Nobilis is diceless but it has a very solid mechanical core about having a general level of power and spending resources to go beyond it. Labes for days posted:Have any of you run Promethean? Can you give me some resources or advice for that game in particular? I picked up 2nd edition and am kicking around ideas for running a game once the one I’m currently playing in concludes and running into some blocks. One of my favorite campaigns was a year-long Promethean one we ran back when 1e came out. I'd say it benefits the most from having players that really buy-in into the idea, see if you can convince them into keeping in-character journals for you to build milestones around of. It is a game that can be centered on the character's internal pilgrimage, so don't shy away from having personal roleplaying moments if your group size allows for it. If you have over three regular players this might not be entirely feasible, so you can focus it more on experiences shared by the party as a whole, as well as taking advantage of the Centimani, Pandorans and Qashmallim as central plot drivers.
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I'm running Changeling (Lost not Dreaming, good lord) and one of my characters wants to gently caress Odo. There's a shapeshifting face changing spirit in that game somewhere, right? Some kinda realm where they could meet the platonic manifestation of Odo-ness? I know the dream magic poo poo is mechanically busted, anything else? And, yes, we've talked about it. This is the best I could negotiate them down to. Please don't judge.
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Having read through Beast I've come to the conclusion that everyone seems to have which is that Heroes are much more interesting than Beasts. The idea of disruptions in what amounts to the collective unconscious can drive an ordinary person to obsession and madness while they attempt to embody heroic archetypes and fight very real monsters is pretty drat cool.PHIZ KALIFA posted:I'm running Changeling (Lost not Dreaming, good lord) and one of my characters wants to gently caress Odo. There's a shapeshifting face changing spirit in that game somewhere, right? Some kinda realm where they could meet the platonic manifestation of Odo-ness? I know the dream magic poo poo is mechanically busted, anything else? It's your game. If you want to let them gently caress Odo, they get to gently caress Odo. That having been said the actual Odo would shoot some rando right the gently caress down.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Having read through Beast I've come to the conclusion that everyone seems to have which is that Heroes are much more interesting than Beasts. The idea of disruptions in what amounts to the collective unconscious can drive an ordinary person to obsession and madness while they attempt to embody heroic archetypes and fight very real monsters is pretty drat cool. Beast was secretly Reckoning 2.0
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Thinking back to VASCU, you could totally do the "Have to work with creepy/dangerous prisoner" except the prisoner is a vampire that's been there for longer than you've been alive. That's loving great.
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Quick running question; for a game set in a school where the characters could be a nyhimg from 15 to 18, should I worry about replacing Drive and Firearms?
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OscarDiggs posted:Quick running question; for a game set in a school where the characters could be a nyhimg from 15 to 18, should I worry about replacing Drive and Firearms? Depends on what state the campaign is set in. if it’s like Kentucky for Iowa no kids are driving himself to school and probably hunting pretty regularly
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Bust Rodd posted:Depends on what state the campaign is set in. if it’s like Kentucky for Iowa no kids are driving himself to school and probably hunting pretty regularly I was thinking more east coastish. But I'm not American so I admit I don't know much about what the difference would be outside of dome stereotypes from movies and TV.
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I'm from rural upstate New York, lots of my classmates went hunting with their families and it was pretty common for parents to take their kid to practice driving before they were actually of the legal age, and you had to have access to a car to do basically anything noteworthy as a 16-18 year old.
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OscarDiggs posted:I was thinking more east coastish. But I'm not American so I admit I don't know much about what the difference would be outside of dome stereotypes from movies and TV. Just set the game in 2021 after the supreme court made a gun mandatory for all students in order to prevent school shootings.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm from rural upstate New York, lots of my classmates went hunting with their families and it was pretty common for parents to take their kid to practice driving before they were actually of the legal age, and you had to have access to a car to do basically anything noteworthy as a 16-18 year old. This is true for me and I lived in suburban Cincinnati which is semi-East Coastish. It's worth remembering that America generally has garbo public transport, so lots of kids around 16 are super eager to get a car because otherwise they can't really do stuff on their own.
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ZearothK posted:Just set the game in 2021 after the supreme court made a gun mandatory for all students in order to prevent school shootings. That's not a bad idea, but what do I replace Firearms with on the character sheet?
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OscarDiggs posted:That's not a bad idea, but what do I replace Firearms with on the character sheet? America.
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Jun 8, 2019 17:43
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OscarDiggs posted:That's not a bad idea, but what do I replace Firearms with on the character sheet? Does Archery fall under athletics?
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Jun 8, 2019 17:48
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Bust Rodd posted:Does Archery fall under athletics? It does (which makes it hilariously appealing for min-max purposes.)
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Jun 8, 2019 18:00
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ZearothK posted:America. Hah. I could also just not set it in America to side step the issue, but again that leaves a whole blank skill. Unless I can make up an in setting replacement.
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Leaving the skill blank doesn’t really require you to mod something into its place. You can just say “there are no guns because you’re kids”.
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OscarDiggs posted:That's not a bad idea, but what do I replace Firearms with on the character sheet? Fortnite.
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