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Synology warned me that the wd disk I shucked wasn't on their compatibility list.  The array is repairing now. Thanks thread.
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2x 20TB WD Red Pros from WD's shop today for $600 is a pretty good deal. Hopefully I don't have to replace my 5x 8TB NAS for a long time but my next NAS build is going to be nuts! Here's the slickdeals link: https://slickdeals.net/f/16656665-20tb-western-digital-wd-red-pro-3-5-7200-rpm-nas-internal-hard-drive-2-for-600-free-shipping and the WD site link (note the green text LIMITED TIME: Buy 2 20TB drives for $599.98. Learn More): https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd#WD201KFGX
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I logged in to see a warning on my TrueNas today. Running "zpool status -v" reports the following:code:
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Rexxed posted:2x 20TB WD Red Pros from WD's shop today for $600 is a pretty good deal. Hopefully I don't have to replace my 5x 8TB NAS for a long time but my next NAS build is going to be nuts! Newegg also has 20TB Exos drives for $290 and 18TB Exos drives for $265 ($35 discount applied in cart) right now. Both under $15/TB. Unraid question: I want to add a cache drive and can add up to 2 M.2 SSDs. I've seen a lot of different recommendations for how to set this up: 2 drives mirrored (for redundancy), splitting up different types of data by drive in various different ways (splitting things like a write cache, appdata, VM volumes, Plex metadata between drives), or just a single drive for everything. The array mainly holds media and initially I'm just running Plex, a torrent client and a Windows VM, though I plan on running more containers and VMs in the future. A mirroring setup seems a bit excessive as I'm not sure I'd be storing anything that I wouldn't mind just restoring from a nightly or even weekly backup to the array. Any recommendations for configurations as well as drives? SSDs look pretty cheap right now so I don't mind getting 2 if that leads to a noticeably better experience. I've also seen some people opting for significantly more expensive high endurance drives, as there are apparently have been instances / uses where unraid has burned through TBW specs. However, with standard drives often having over 10x my array size in TBW (e.g. 1TB WD Blues and Samsung 970 Evo Pluses having 600 TBW vs my 56TB array), combined with a vast majority of data just being written once then stored indefinitely (media downloads), it doesn't seem like high endurance should be a priority in my case.
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I just mirror cheap drives, 1tb NVMEs are so cheap now there’s no reason not to
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I’ve got a system SSD and a scratch SSD, my system SSD holds appdata, vms, isos, and system share. These shares are automatically backed up using an unraid plugin to a share that only uses my parity protected platter drives. I also run a user script to back the same shares up on an external drive attached to the server. The scratch SSD is used for media downloads and gets moved once a week. I don’t really back this up.
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My case and drives show up tomorrow! Let the weekend project commence.
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VostokProgram posted:I have done it twice in the last few days since I've been experimenting with different setups. Both times it went through flawlessly. Even kept my shares configured. Go for it imo Just wanted to report back on this, thanks for the feedback! Went ahead and migrated, zero issues, took a few minutes with the reboot. After some testing, went and upgraded my large ZFS pool version, also zero issues (and instant). Yeehaw.
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CancerCakes posted:What is the absolute easiest way to backup photos with some redundancy? I don't want to spend a huge amount just to back up family photos, but my current system is very not good: Currently they are just on 1TB drive in the PC, with periodic manual backup to an external drive, which is then stored at a family member's house. Total storage demand currently is 1TB, but obviously likely to go up. Hi guys, thanks for the help. First I checked the disc to see if it had any issues, nothing flagged so I backed up to backblaze over a couple of days - seems to be a good service and I can deal with $70 a year for disaster recovery. After that I put in a brand new 1TB drive and tried to use windows to mirror the data. It kept throwing a "not enough space" error, until I realised that the old drive couldn't convert to dynamic because of a recovery partition at the end of the drive. I diskparted that partition away, and the mirroring is now chugging along nicely. The next plan is to cull the files on the drive - I am sure there are some duplicate files and also burst pictures that need to be dealt with. Does anyone have a good duplicate file finding an deleting solution? I seem to remember using https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/duplicate-files-finder-portable in the past. I am thinking of using https://www.optyx.app/ to get a handle on the photos.
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The 22TB elements is on sale for $360 on amazon. I got T640 I'm looking at positioning in my home setup, but it's a weird configuration and I have no idea how to do something nice with it for cheap. PERC H730P, 2GB Chassis with up to (16 + 16) x 2.5" SAS/ SATA Hard Drives, Single PERC, Tower Configuration Dual, Hot-plug, Redundant Power Supply (1+1), 750W Single Intel Xeon Silver 4112 2.6G, 4C/8T, 9.6GT/s 2UPI, 8.25M Cache, Turbo, HT (85W) DDR4-2400 64GB Ram 2x 600GB 15k SAS drive I'd like to use it as a hypervisor, but the storage isn't enough as is. It could also be a very nice video editing or 3D modeling computer if I put a graphics card in it? Any suggestions a easy cool use for this?
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Vaporware posted:The 22TB elements is on sale for $360 on amazon. That CPU is slow, like slower than you could possibly imagine, slower than a homebuilt NAS with a $90 Core i3, slower than a fanless laptop. 4 Skylake cores at a low clock just cannot hang. 3GHz max turbo frequency. If you want to do video editing or 3D modelling, you'd be swapping that CPU for something faster, which you could probably get used for pretty cheap. Chuck the 15k RPM disks to recycling. They are not worth the power to run, you'd want to put SSDs in there, but I'm guessing you can't boot from NVMe on PCIe so you're probably getting SATA disks. 500GB is plenty of disk for a hypervisor that isn't doing anything, what workloads would you actually want to run on the VMs? 2.5" chassis aren't great for cheap home NAS boxes. What do you want to run? A NAS / Plex box?
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Originally I imagined it as a NAS with all those HDD slots, but the more I've read about PERC vs SWRAID makes me hesitant to put any effort into it. Plus 2.5" like you said isn't cheap. It's a cool chassis but I just sort of stumbled into it and don't have a close attachment to it.
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Most perc cards need to be flashed to work well with nas software.
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I had a Perc H730P. They can't be flashed unfortunately. Annoyingly, the have an "HBA mode" but it's no good. I can't recall exactly why but it was a pain in the arse so I sold mine and bought a different one off the Art of Server guy with the money. -edit - Yeah, I had a check through some threads I'd saved at the time and they appear to work, but the speed is poo poo, passing them through fails among other stuff. Something about mfi drivers. YerDa Zabam fucked around with this message at 02:13 on May 26, 2023 |
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So I haven't been able to get Windows Backup to run successfully yet since getting my Unraid NAS going a few weeks ago (wife's mac mini has been running timemachine without issue). I tried disableing the system image backup, and then ran into an error where Windows Backup said it couldn't back up any files on one of my pc drives because it's "not a supported drive type." The disk it is complaining about is the oldest drive in my pc, a WDC Blue that's more than 10 years old at this point. It is also the only one formatted FAT32 for some reason. Is the format the likely culprit here? I could move everything (~400GB) off this drive onto another one in this machine and reformat it to NTFS if so. Should I try a third party back up software instead of the Windows default? edit: reformatted and it worked fine, guess windows backup doesn't like FAT bawfuls fucked around with this message at 07:29 on May 27, 2023 |
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I am having a weird issue with truenas scale where the pool that I imported does not let me access all the folders. It should be set for full read/write permission for the whole thing but I can access like 2 folders and the rest it says I don't have permission.
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What user/group are you using, and what user/group are those directories?
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Trapick posted:What user/group are you using, and what user/group are those directories? I made a group called Family, then made a non admin user with full read/write permissions. I went into the ACL editor for my dataset and added the group also with full read/write permissions. E: unless you are talking about the old ones
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Hate to double post but this is what it looks like and maybe someone can help me. The data from my old setup was just in the base directory of an old pool (ShareDrive). In my new setup, I have the new pool (Athena) and a new dataset directory (Apollo). I can change the sharing properties for the new Apollo dataset directory, but because there is no folder other than the root directory for ShareDrive, it won't let me edit permissions. I still have the thumdrive with my old TrueNAS install on it, but I am concerned because I don't know that my hardware is supported in the non-Scale environment. I can provide screenshots for folks if that makes life easier, but I have sort of exhausted my google efforts.
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I'm trying to set up a home NAS on an old PC. I don't need it to do anything fancy, don't want raid/spanned volumes or docker or anything, I just want it to appear to anything on my home network and to be able to send and receive files to it (and maybe run a plex server or equivalent). I've tried openmediavault since one of its selling points is that it works out the box but I couldn't get that working, and I've even tried throwing a copy of Windows 10 on there to see if I can use the inbuilt networking poo poo to do it but that isn't working either. What's the most idiot-proof way of doing this? When I asked about this a couple of weeks ago someone suggested unRAID but I'd rather not use that if possible since it's not free. oh no computer fucked around with this message at 20:05 on May 29, 2023 |
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oh no computer posted:I'm trying to set up a home NAS on an old PC. I don't need it to do anything fancy, don't want raid/spanned volumes or docker or anything, I just want it to appear to anything on my home network and to be able to send and receive files to it (and maybe run a plex server or equivalent). I've tried openmediavault since one of its selling points is that it works out the box but I couldn't get that working, and I've even tried throwing a copy of Windows 10 on there to see if I can use the inbuilt networking poo poo to do it but that isn't working either. Unraid is the easiest if you don’t want to tinker. If you’re tinker-curious, TrueNAS works well. Can’t comment on other options. If I were you, I’d just pay for Unraid. You’ll waste more time trying to get poo poo working the way you want and googling weird errors.
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I feel like TrueNAS isn't that much more complicated. If you're averse to paying for the software, I'd suggest at least taking a look at it. You can always go back to Unraid if it doesn't look like what you want.
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I have this Windows 7 era file sharing guide bookmarked to get me through setting up folder shares on new computers. (I skip the guest middle bit.) It's pretty dated, but pretty much everything there still exists in classic control panel form somewhere in Windows 10. If you still have Windows 10 on that computer, maybe you still can get the inbuilt networking poo poo going?
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I mean technically yeah, you can just enable folder sharing on any old Windows machine and call it a NAS if you want. I've done it with my parents' HTPC so I can tell them "just drag files to this folder to get them on the TV, you don't need to walk back and forth with flash drives." Software RAID options in Windows are very different from Unraid/ZFS and would be considered inferior by many, you'll have to reboot more often for updates if you don't block them, and doing any kind of complex permissions without having a domain is probably a mess/impossible depending on how complex. If you just want a network drive for yourself and won't be using RAID anyway though, then it should be possible to get a reasonably functional solution.
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Can the thread comment on how easy it is to get a VM with GPU passthrough up and running on TrueNAS Scale vs Unraid? Currently running Unraid as my media server and TrueNAS Core as my canonical data storage.
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Not trivial, but that's not really the case on any OS. It's basically the same setup as on FreeBSD, except you have to use the Systems/Tunables page to put in the loader.conf variable(s). No matter the OS, prepare to get really intimate with your bios PCIe settings in hope of finding something that works.
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Thanks. I still have Windows 10 installed on it so I'll try that guide Flipperwaldt posted, but if I can't get that working I'll give TrueNAS a go. Do I want Core or Scale or does it not really matter? Edit: OK I got the Windows share working, but the transfer speeds are really slow. Tried writing some files and I'm getting 11MB/s. This can't be normal right? It's like 10x slower than the speeds I get over USB. Edit2: Swapped the ethernet cable, now getting >100MB/s. Nice. oh no computer fucked around with this message at 15:37 on May 30, 2023 |
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Tip for later: If your transfer speeds are near a "round" number like that*, check the link speed - it's exposed ~somewhere~ in Windows, or worst case your switch probably has some way to indicate it. * 8 bits to a byte, so 100 Mbit is 12.5 MByte/s, and Gbit is 125 MB/s. Remove a little bit of overhead, and SMB transfers should peak somewhere between 100 and 120 MB/s on gbit. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 30, 2023 |
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Checking to see if this makes sense or if I'm missing something obvious: I have two SAS drives that I got cheap before having any idea what SAS was. Having learned what it was, I bought a flashed LSI two port controller and added them to the PC using the cheap cables you can get on amazon that go from 8088 to 8482 with the drives themselves mounted in one of those minimalistic laser-cut acrylic racks you can mount a fan on. This worked...mostly well. One drive started throwing errors after a few months, but the other seems fine. I'm beginning to think those 8088 to 8482 adapters are problematic, as I need to reseat them now and again, and since adding two more SATA drives to the rack (with the requisite adapters from 8482 to SATA) those have been a bit wonky as well. Googling around, it sounds like those cables are fairly well despised and people prefer the use of backplanes (since that's what SAS was meant to be used with anyhow). So here's my idea: Using an old ATX case, I mount the drives on a backplane and power the whole thing with a PC PSU and one of these: amazon.com/dp/B08B62DMSY?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details ....and then connect that to the LSI controller via 8088. No motherboard, just sort of using the PSU exclusively to provide power and do more or less what I already have been doing, just with more reliable hardware (I think?) I already have the drives running 24/7 on the existing setup since there's no shutdown on the AC to Molex power supplies I've been using, so it's not a huge deal to do similar here and it would cut down on one AC cable at least. Does this make sense? Am I neglecting to consider something here in terms of how this will end up working? Alternatively: are there any actual reliable 8088 to 8482 cables out there?
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Question for the thread. My current setup is a TrueNAS system which is my "canonical" dataset, backing by rsync up to an Unraid system that hosts Plex and other services. Recently I turned on ACL permissions on the TrueNAS system which led to some files/directories being unreadable on the Unraid system due to a permissions issue. On TrueNAS users root, plex, rsync all have full permission but it doesn't appear any of these users on the Unraid system have permission to read the files. I am not well-versed at unix permissions so hoping there is an obvious answer here.
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Smashing Link posted:Question for the thread. My current setup is a TrueNAS system which is my "canonical" dataset, backing by rsync up to an Unraid system that hosts Plex and other services. Recently I turned on ACL permissions on the TrueNAS system which led to some files/directories being unreadable on the Unraid system due to a permissions issue. On TrueNAS users root, plex, rsync all have full permission but it doesn't appear any of these users on the Unraid system have permission to read the files. I am not well-versed at unix permissions so hoping there is an obvious answer here. Welcome to hell. https://linux.die.net/man/5/nfs4_acl edit: oh are you just using rsync? Make sure it has the -aAX flags, and obviously the user should be the same id on both ends Mr. Crow fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jun 3, 2023 |
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Mr. Crow posted:Welcome to hell. Oof. I think I will go back to regular permissions for now and maybe try ACLs again at a later time.
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Looking at doing a new build and copying instead of upgrading my current NAS. Currently running proxmox, with the SATA controllers passed into a FreeBSD VM. What would a modern day replacement for the SuperMicro X10SDV-TLN4F-O look like? I like my Xeon-D 1541 but looking for a 2023 version. Requirements are remote management capable, want ECC, and the ability to connect up to 10 SATA spinners through onboard or peripheral cards.
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I want to add an ssd cache to my ds923+, is there a particular reason to stick to the synology branded drives compared to something like WD SN700's? They're not listed on the compatibility list for this model but look ideal, having double the rated endurance, faster read/write speeds (though it might be limited by the nas m.2 interface), and half the cost.
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ephphatha posted:I want to add an ssd cache to my ds923+, is there a particular reason to stick to the synology branded drives compared to something like WD SN700's? They're not listed on the compatibility list for this model but look ideal, having double the rated endurance, faster read/write speeds (though it might be limited by the nas m.2 interface), and half the cost. Can't help with the Synology compatibility aspect, but i wouldn't worry so much about the advertised sequential read/write speeds. In most cases on one end you're going to be limited by the speed of your spinny disk array, and on the other end by the speed of your network connection, both of which are typically significantly slower than even the cheaper NVMe SSDs on the market currently. Those speeds are only really relevant when you're frequently moving large files between drive and RAM e.g. with some video editing workloads.
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ephphatha posted:I want to add an ssd cache to my ds923+, is there a particular reason to stick to the synology branded drives compared to something like WD SN700's? They're not listed on the compatibility list for this model but look ideal, having double the rated endurance, faster read/write speeds (though it might be limited by the nas m.2 interface), and half the cost. I would use a reputable disk from a major brand and call it a day. It's all linux under the hood. Don't use the write cache and it will never matter. SSD read cache makes Apple Time Machine backups way faster. As does doing it over a wire instead of wifi.
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Good point about the network being the limiting factor, now if only I had made this decision last week when sn700's were on sale 
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I've got a Precision T5820 that I'm planning to throw Debian on to come back to the ZFS dark side (and consolidate a couple other low-impact functions). The last time I built a ZFS box I just used the SATA ports on the motherboard, but this time I've got a LSI 9300-16i so I can use all 8 drive bays on the chassis and still have room to spare in case I want to get really wild and pull my lenovo sa120 back out. Is there any strong feeling one way or the other regarding putting the boot/system mirror on the same controller as the ZFS capacity disks versus leaving them on the x299 chipset SATA ports on the motherboard? I originally had another question trying to sort out what the hell Intel VMD and RSTe/VROC is and whether it's just more software RAID bullshit, but the very last question on the FAQ doc says only Win10 is supported which settles that. It would be neat to take advantage of the mini-SAS SFF ports directly on the motherboard but I'll live. BIOS lets you choose either VMD mode or NVMe which kinda suggests this is all only for NVMe drives anyway. H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 6, 2023 |
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