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Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.

I said come in! posted:

I think a good idea to better help you guys help me is to just link to the career I am interested in; https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/analytical/political-analyst.html

"Candidates proficient in at least one of the languages of their area of expertise (for example, Mandarin Chinese for China specialists, Arabic or Farsi for the Middle East, or Urdu or Hindi for South Asia) and who have some travel or residency in the region are highly desired."

If you want linguistic experience find a way to go overseas. FSOT is a great way to do it and you'll get some amazing work experience.

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snagger
Aug 14, 2004
Hey homies. New to USAJOBS here - am applying to one of the Tech & Innovation fellowships at Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

I have the option to upload a resume in PDF. Is this a trap?

I'm only interested in the one fellowship; I'm already employed elsewhere but this job looked super cool.

e_wraith
May 5, 2012

Damn pods!
Grimey Drawer

snagger posted:


I have the option to upload a resume in PDF. Is this a trap?


PDF resumes are always a trap. Yeah, there is no reason they should be a problem, word searchable PDFs are a thing, OCR has come a long way, etc, etc... Until the robot scans it and pulls no keywords from it because mysterious reasons. Word still seems to be your best bet for resume uploads.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


So I was offered the job I interviewed for and.... I had to turn it down. Due to a new health situations with family members, I need to stay in my current city rather than relocating to a small, rural town 4 hours away.

I *do* have another phone interview next week for the SAME position/agency in my CURRENT city.

My question: should I bother bringing up the fact that I was just offered this job and had to turn it down for family reasons (not being able to relocate)?

As a potential BENEFIT, I figure that this could expedite things for me, as they are in the same agency and state. I'd like to think they could just use the fingerprints/background check they ran for me a few weeks ago. Also, maybe the fact that I was just offered this position means that they can feel better about making me an offer, seeing that I previously received their agency's seal of approval.

As a potential DOWNSIDE, I worry that having just turned down a job with their agency will be some sort of black mark against me. Maybe it will lead them to think that I'll flake on them, too, if they make me an offer (perhaps the rural office will think that I was just holding out for a position in the city and wasting their time?).

I'm probably over-thinking this. Any insight would be appreciated.

Network42
Oct 23, 2002
Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.

Network42 posted:

Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

At least you can live further out in western VA & collect DC locality.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Network42 posted:

Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

Find a roommate and get used to drinking at home

Justus
Apr 18, 2006

...

Network42 posted:

Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

Well the good news is that you'll get D.C.'s locality adjustment, which is one of the most generous. As far as I can tell, here's how the numbers shake out:

GS-5 step 1, D.C. locality is $34,415/yr.

That breaks down to $1323.65 gross income every two weeks (34,415 divided by 26).

To figure out a likely net income, I could try comparing to my own situation last year. Last year I was a GS-7, contributed 5% to TSP (to take advantage of the matching), had reasonable relatively inexpensive subsidized insurance, paid union dues, and a little bit for charity. My gross was $1755 a paycheck and my net was $1191 a paycheck, meaning that my net was 67.9% of my gross. If you follow a similar pattern, your net income would be $898.27, or roughly $1800 a month.

I know apartments in the Silver Spring or Bethesda areas tend to be $1100/mo for a studio or $1300/mo for a 1bd w/700 sq ft.

So yeah...kinda dire, but not unworkable. I'd recommend a roommate. Maybe several roommates.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Don't forget the AUO!

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Also while I have no idea how anything works and things may have changed since she started, my ex-fling in DC is a GS-12 as a CBP officer after about 11 years. So you know, if you survive...

JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

I recall some earlier discussion and questions about Schedule A hiring. If you are eligible for a Schedule A appointment I recommend you register to be included on OPM's Shared List of People with Disabilities. The contractor who collects the resumes claims they are accepting resumes for certain job categories, but that doesn't stop a hiring manager from calling an attractive candidate for a different job series. If you are in school or are in your first year out of school, make sure you register for the Workforce Recruitment Program. This is a program for Schedule A candidates jointly administered by the Departments of Labor and Defense.

I was recently given permission to hire one person with non-competitive eligibility. My state's Americorps coordinator didn't seem too interested in helping me get in touch with VISTA alumni who had appointment eligibility, so I quickly educated myself on Schedule A. As a hiring official I loved the flexibility. I also liked having the ability to identify the best candidate based on the reality of the job rather than having HR specialists rate and rank candidates based on how they interpret the job requirements. Based on the great experience I had, I'm going to suggest that all of the directors in my district at least check out the local Schedule A candidates anytime they have a posted announcement for a professional position. The candidate I chose has the best qualifications of anyone I've ever interviewed for this position and she never would have been referred to me if she applied to a public announcement because she doesn't have veteran's preference.

Untagged
Mar 29, 2004

Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?

Network42 posted:

Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

Live in West Virginia like everyone else, live like a king, commute your life away.

Delorence Fickle
Feb 21, 2011

Untagged posted:

Live in West Virginia like everyone else, live like a king, commute your life away.

Or move into Northeast, Southwest or Southeast DC. Sure there are some parts that are hood but I'll be damned if I'm going to put up with the hell of hour plus commuting everyday. My commute from home to desk is between 25-30 minutes and I plan to keep it that way until I qualify to work from home permanently.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


JohnnyHildo posted:

I recall some earlier discussion and questions about Schedule A hiring. If you are eligible for a Schedule A appointment I recommend you register to be included on OPM's Shared List of People with Disabilities. The contractor who collects the resumes claims they are accepting resumes for certain job categories, but that doesn't stop a hiring manager from calling an attractive candidate for a different job series. If you are in school or are in your first year out of school, make sure you register for the Workforce Recruitment Program. This is a program for Schedule A candidates jointly administered by the Departments of Labor and Defense.

I was recently given permission to hire one person with non-competitive eligibility. My state's Americorps coordinator didn't seem too interested in helping me get in touch with VISTA alumni who had appointment eligibility, so I quickly educated myself on Schedule A. As a hiring official I loved the flexibility. I also liked having the ability to identify the best candidate based on the reality of the job rather than having HR specialists rate and rank candidates based on how they interpret the job requirements. Based on the great experience I had, I'm going to suggest that all of the directors in my district at least check out the local Schedule A candidates anytime they have a posted announcement for a professional position. The candidate I chose has the best qualifications of anyone I've ever interviewed for this position and she never would have been referred to me if she applied to a public announcement because she doesn't have veteran's preference.

Is Schedule A synonymous with non-competitive eligibility?

If so, hire some returned (former) Peace Corps volunteers, too! We get it for one year. Trying to cash in on that right now. Interview on Monday...

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Since VISTA got mentioned, I have a question. I'm a current VISTA whose term is up in about 6 months and curious how helpful the non-competitive eligibility is. Does anyone have any experience on either side (applying/hiring) with that?

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Delorence Fickle posted:

Or move into Northeast, Southwest or Southeast DC. Sure there are some parts that are hood but I'll be damned if I'm going to put up with the hell of hour plus commuting everyday. My commute from home to desk is between 25-30 minutes and I plan to keep it that way until I qualify to work from home permanently.

If he's working at Dulles, none of those are going to be much of a fun commute (until silver line service begins, at least.). And they're all still expensive as hell compared to what you get.

Live out in VA.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Network42 posted:

Looking to start GS-5 at Dulles as a CBP officer. How hosed am I, financially?

You might be able to afford a decent place in Winchester if you're willing to commute in. Otherwise, that's barely a living wage anywhere near Ashburn/Herndon/Reston.

Untagged
Mar 29, 2004

Hey, does your planet have wiper fluid yet or you gonna freak out and start worshiping us?

Delorence Fickle posted:

Or move into Northeast, Southwest or Southeast DC. Sure there are some parts that are hood but I'll be damned if I'm going to put up with the hell of hour plus commuting everyday. My commute from home to desk is between 25-30 minutes and I plan to keep it that way until I qualify to work from home permanently.

Commuting from any of those places out to Dulles would take just about as long and suck just about as much. Except it's going to cost more for less housing space in DC than in WV or western Virginia.

Spacewolf
May 19, 2014

JohnnyHildo posted:

I recall some earlier discussion and questions about Schedule A hiring. If you are eligible for a Schedule A appointment I recommend you register to be included on OPM's Shared List of People with Disabilities. The contractor who collects the resumes claims they are accepting resumes for certain job categories, but that doesn't stop a hiring manager from calling an attractive candidate for a different job series. If you are in school or are in your first year out of school, make sure you register for the Workforce Recruitment Program. This is a program for Schedule A candidates jointly administered by the Departments of Labor and Defense.

I was recently given permission to hire one person with non-competitive eligibility. My state's Americorps coordinator didn't seem too interested in helping me get in touch with VISTA alumni who had appointment eligibility, so I quickly educated myself on Schedule A. As a hiring official I loved the flexibility. I also liked having the ability to identify the best candidate based on the reality of the job rather than having HR specialists rate and rank candidates based on how they interpret the job requirements. Based on the great experience I had, I'm going to suggest that all of the directors in my district at least check out the local Schedule A candidates anytime they have a posted announcement for a professional position. The candidate I chose has the best qualifications of anyone I've ever interviewed for this position and she never would have been referred to me if she applied to a public announcement because she doesn't have veteran's preference.

Thanks for the info! Now...WRP...How do I see if my school participates?

JohnnyHildo
Jul 23, 2002

Thesaurus posted:

Is Schedule A synonymous with non-competitive eligibility?

If so, hire some returned (former) Peace Corps volunteers, too! We get it for one year. Trying to cash in on that right now. Interview on Monday...

Schedule A is a specific type of non-competitive eligibility for persons with severe disabilities. I was interested in returned PCVs. Another goon mentioned a job website for returned PCVs that he had access to. I asked him to PM or email me the site but he never did.

Spacewolf posted:

Thanks for the info! Now...WRP...How do I see if my school participates?

If you go to a large school, I almost guarantee they participate. I even saw resumes of students from very small regional campuses of at least one state university system. There's also this:

quote:

If you are an eligible candidate, share this information with your school's disability services or career services coordinator, and ask him or her to contact the WRP Coordinator at wrp@dol.gov.

Man_of_Teflon
Aug 15, 2003

Anyone have any insights into working as an 1801 investigator for OLMS (Dept of Labor) in NYC?

Network42
Oct 23, 2002
I'm 4 days into pre-academy training with CBP and so far it seems like a really awesome job, people in the pipeline in this thread should definitely keep working on it.
My advice is not to accept border patrol positions if offered though. We have a couple guys here who are taking like $20k paycuts to quit BP and come into CBP as fresh new hires, and they all say it's been totally worth it.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Along those lines, we have a guy at USCIS who took a $50,000 pay cut (when factoring in easily-available overtime, apparently) to leave Border Patrol.

So. What I am saying is, I think you are right about it being a bad idea to work for them if you have a choice.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


I think I got the fasted turnaround ever on a federal job. Submitted my application on June 30, asked if I can report to work on July 28th... :stare:

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
You are the unicorn of Federal hiring.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
Agreed, you have broken the land speed record.

Also an e-mail circulated around the office today saying we were hiring 30 more Immigration Service Officers here in Vermont before the end of the year. So, you know, that is not much more helpful than the last time when I said "we are hiring sometime soon I guess!" but at least you know it will one of those coveted "MANY OPENINGS" postings!

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!

Quarex posted:

Agreed, you have broken the land speed record.

Also an e-mail circulated around the office today saying we were hiring 30 more Immigration Service Officers here in Vermont before the end of the year. So, you know, that is not much more helpful than the last time when I said "we are hiring sometime soon I guess!" but at least you know it will one of those coveted "MANY OPENINGS" postings!

Are these entry level positions? What kind of qualifications are needed?

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Quarex posted:

Agreed, you have broken the land speed record.

The funny part is that I can't start as soon as they want. I had figured that it would be a long time coming, so I need for a few more weeks to wrap things up at my current job.

Is it possible to negotiate on salary/grade any?

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008

TwoSheds posted:

Are these entry level positions? What kind of qualifications are needed?

ISO level 1 is an entry level position if you have a degree.

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!

Manifest Dynasty posted:

ISO level 1 is an entry level position if you have a degree.

Is this legit entry level, though? Like do I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting an interview with no prior government work or veteran preference? Seems like a lot of the entry level postings I've seen have pretty specific prior experience that they're looking for.

Elderbean
Jun 10, 2013


Crossposting from the career path thread.

I'm an active duty sailor stationed north of Seattle with a technical job. I do routine maintenance/alignments/troubleshooting with analog and digital electronics in addition to operating an air/surface search/track radar. I'll be separating from the service in a year.

I want to stay in Seattle, but I'm not sure if I should use my experience or use my GI bill and go to school full-time. I don't mind working with electronics but I'm also not wild about it, and I'm not entirely sure how competent I really am. I know there are jobs out there through defense contractors but I don't want to go anywhere near a military installation ever again.

I'm currently an E-5, between my base pay and my housing allowance I make $44,000 a year. When I separate I'll have 6 years of experience.

In terms of my actual interests/passions, I'd like to get involved with public health so my actual work experience seems pretty irrelevant.

Elderbean fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jul 25, 2014

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

TwoSheds posted:

Is this legit entry level, though? Like do I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting an interview with no prior government work or veteran preference? Seems like a lot of the entry level postings I've seen have pretty specific prior experience that they're looking for.

Either that or they get flooded anyways with people who have a lot of experience and of course those are the only ones who get interviewed.

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008

TwoSheds posted:

Is this legit entry level, though? Like do I have a snowballs chance in hell of getting an interview with no prior government work or veteran preference? Seems like a lot of the entry level postings I've seen have pretty specific prior experience that they're looking for.

I got mine with no Federal experience, and no experience in immigration. It's legit entry level. It's just hard because you are still competing against those people mentioned above. But it's absolutely worth your time to apply if you are interested in the job. Toss your name into the magic Federal Interview lottery machine and cross your fingers.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

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TOVA TOVA TOVA
Yeah it is legitimately entry-level, and in theory they would hire at GS5-7-9 ... in practice, with my group, I think almost everyone came in at GS-9, because you know we had a few lawyers, several ex-military, a few other government transfers, and me, the confusing one who actually qualifies at GS-11 with my education but YOU THINK I AM GOING TO TURN DOWN A FEDERAL JOB?!?

It is also worth noting that I applied to 4-5 Immigration Service Officer and 3-4 Immigration Service Assistant positions, in places from California to Missouri to uhh other states, and got flat-out rejected for every single one of them ... except for being hired without even an interview in Vermont. Location, location, location!

Feed Me A Cat
Jun 18, 2012
I found out I passed the Phase 1 test of the FBI SASS (Special Agent Selection System) process in the 10 minutes it took me to take the exit "did you like the testing center" survey, checking out with the test proctor, walking down to my car and removing the cell phone from where I left it in the glove box. The wonders of computerized testing :allears:

At this point, should I e-mail CBP and tell them to remove me from their applicant process? The guy in charge of my polygraph for Customs flipped out at me mid-interview and said I was trying to manipulate the test when I fell asleep because the room was overly hot, my case is "under review by committee" apparently.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Feed Me A Cat posted:

I found out I passed the Phase 1 test of the FBI SASS (Special Agent Selection System) process in the 10 minutes it took me to take the exit "did you like the testing center" survey, checking out with the test proctor, walking down to my car and removing the cell phone from where I left it in the glove box. The wonders of computerized testing :allears:

At this point, should I e-mail CBP and tell them to remove me from their applicant process? The guy in charge of my polygraph for Customs flipped out at me mid-interview and said I was trying to manipulate the test when I fell asleep because the room was overly hot, my case is "under review by committee" apparently.
:stare:

Well figuring out what you should do is probably above my pay grade. But I would never recommend withdrawing an application while your application was under review (well, or ever, but especially not then, as that would probably make them think their suspicions had merit).

And uh, wow, falling asleep during a polygraph. That is quite a story.

Also I passed Phase 1 test of the Secret Service Special Agent process and flamed out before Phase 3. Even if you are a well-conditioned exercise machine and will pass the fitness test with flying colors, I have a feeling that your polygraph incident could potentially become a problem again. So proceed with caution. Probably.

Stolennosferatu
Jun 22, 2012

Quarex posted:

:stare:

Well figuring out what you should do is probably above my pay grade. But I would never recommend withdrawing an application while your application was under review (well, or ever, but especially not then, as that would probably make them think their suspicions had merit).

And uh, wow, falling asleep during a polygraph. That is quite a story.

Also I passed Phase 1 test of the Secret Service Special Agent process and flamed out before Phase 3. Even if you are a well-conditioned exercise machine and will pass the fitness test with flying colors, I have a feeling that your polygraph incident could potentially become a problem again. So proceed with caution. Probably.

You guys have a law enforcement background? I have an interest in this, but I haven't looked at this yet.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Feed Me A Cat posted:

I found out I passed the Phase 1 test of the FBI SASS (Special Agent Selection System) process in the 10 minutes it took me to take the exit "did you like the testing center" survey, checking out with the test proctor, walking down to my car and removing the cell phone from where I left it in the glove box. The wonders of computerized testing :allears:

At this point, should I e-mail CBP and tell them to remove me from their applicant process? The guy in charge of my polygraph for Customs flipped out at me mid-interview and said I was trying to manipulate the test when I fell asleep because the room was overly hot, my case is "under review by committee" apparently.

That sounds crazy but I wouldn't drop out. Phase 2 and the PFT are where people get weeded out of SASS. Also, I think it's a little faster right now but a few years back the timeframe from Phase 1 to starting at Quantico was 2-3 years. Keep going with both processes.

Feed Me A Cat
Jun 18, 2012

Quarex posted:

And uh, wow, falling asleep during a polygraph. That is quite a story.

Combination of a 2.5 hour drive from my house to the polygraph location the night before, some guy who thought loitering in front of my motel room door yelling into his cellphone in Spanish was the thing to do at 11:30 PM and not enough sleep for four days prior to the polygraph. There was a camera present in the CBP interrogation room they had me in that will have a great view of me nodding off and jerking awake several times, but I'm guessing some overzealous witch hunt reviewer will interpret it as some kind of "relaxation technique" and that I'm a Chinese Ministry of Public Security plant trying to contaminate America's precious vital fluids :patriot:

What a shitshow. Law degree, intermediate fluency in Mandarin, I've never even gotten a traffic ticket or ever talked to the police, I must be hiding some kind of deep dark secret to be applying for a GS-7 LEO position! I knew that they were ranked lowest in that survey of federal employees in 2006, but drat I didn't know it'd be this bad.

Tyro posted:

That sounds crazy but I wouldn't drop out. Phase 2 and the PFT are where people get weeded out of SASS. Also, I think it's a little faster right now but a few years back the timeframe from Phase 1 to starting at Quantico was 2-3 years. Keep going with both processes.

Thanks for the tip. I'll refrain from dropping out of the CBP process then. I had heard that the FBI process was quite long, but that's alright with me, I've got a decent full time IT gig in the meantime to keep me productive.

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Network42
Oct 23, 2002
It's literally the polygraph interviewers job to freak out and yell at you. That's how polys work, they want to stress you into admitting things or changing your story.

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