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I personally think it would be a bit neat if there were HRE-like institutions for numerous regions - the British and Iberian Leagues, the...Seljuk places since that's the only name for them I remember maybe the Turkic Poly-Caliphate or something with a less lame name, and possibly that kind of apparatus for vassal states of ours that are less in our control - the Pechenegs and others like them. I wonder if that kind of thing with numerous HREs is even possible, or how glitchy it would be.
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Raserys posted:On one hand, I doubt the Ming have had any lasting impression on Austrian identity aside from perhaps bolstering it. Austria is led by a Hui culture ruler. It was formed out the various little Hui-led revolter states that emerged after the Ming Frontier holdings in Germany fell apart (I didn't catch exactly when the Austria tag appeared-- it was very late in CK2, but I assume one of the Hui dukes inherited/annexed/whatever the provinces he needed to make d_austria his title). Gyra_Solune posted:I personally think it would be a bit neat if there were HRE-like institutions for numerous regions - the British and Iberian Leagues, the...Seljuk places since that's the only name for them I remember maybe the Turkic Poly-Caliphate or something with a less lame name, and possibly that kind of apparatus for vassal states of ours that are less in our control - the Pechenegs and others like them. I wonder if that kind of thing with numerous HREs is even possible, or how glitchy it would be. As far as I know (somebody correct me if I'm wrong), there can only be one organization that uses the HRE mechanics. The actual HRE is so diminished in CK2 that I'll probably use the HRE mechanics for something else (maybe even us, depending on what options win out in the "What to do about the Doukes" question), but unfortunately I'm pretty sure there can't be more than one running around. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Considering culture conversion in CK2 always works a little wonky, will the spots where the Hui are revert back to relevant European cultures or will they be mixing pot culture? EDIT: Example: I think all the Georgians are all gone, replaced by Persians or Greeks except in Abhzakia.
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ROME: 55  Funky Valentine Skyfinder Gnooble Lord Cyrahzax BwenGun Sparq AJ_Impy StrifeHira Raserys ZearothK Fox Ironic Flesnolk Dux Supremus theblastizard mcclay ChaosSamusX Ghetto Prince WeaponGradeSadness Disproportionation TheLoquid LJN92 Alikchi Amnistar Arbite RZApublican NewMars Readingaccount Semquais sniper4625 Samuel Ubern00b GenHavoc YF-23 Freudian Horsebanger Alexey ThingOne Jihad Joe MacRomanGuy derkaiser Inkel luserus ThatBasqueGuy FluffyBunny Dr. Snark Sokani Pseudophile fullTimeLurker Emprah Necroskowitz Mister Olympus Azzanadra tatankatonk shirunei Lord Windy BYZANTIUM: 48  Blackunknown Aeromancia ChrisAsmadi Sinner Sandwich Ghostwoods Patter Song Pyroi AdventFalls TheFlyingLlama TheMcD OddObserver GoatLord Frozen_flame Dr karma Redeye Flight Rubix Squid Luhood Sindai DerLeo Lost Season Adept Nightingale Dreamsicle Mirdini Rejected Fate Caustic Soda ManicMarine cokerpilot D3m3 Beerdeer UrbicaMortis sheep-dodger Lynneth Meinberg Talas Averrences Five Erwin the German nothing to seehere vyelkin Zikan Mortuus Geshtal Hitlers Gay Secret WilliamAnderson NGDBSS Clayren DentedLamp MarsDragon BYZANROME????:   Choccy Starfish Amnistar posted:Is there an upload of the save file just prior to the game over that we can look through to get a better idea of the current status of things? In addition to running on the old version of CK2, a lot of it depended on various hacky edits made to an old version of Project Balance, so I'd feel weird about distributing somebody else's mod. I can answer any questions about the endgame save though, since I still have the old CK2 version on my Mac partition so I can still get at the save. So if there's a ledger page you want to see, a blob on the endgame map you want to see the name/culture/ruler of, or anything else, I'll get in there and find it for you. AdventFalls posted:Considering culture conversion in CK2 always works a little wonky, will the spots where the Hui are revert back to relevant European cultures or will they be mixing pot culture? Case by case basis. My general philosophy is to just roll back most of CK2's nonsensical culture conversion, though. For the Hui states in particular (the Ming successor states proper and the revolter states like Austria et al) I'm still figuring out the best balance to make them viable enough not to get overwhelmed by patriot rebels but mixed enough that it's believable. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Gyra_Solune posted:I personally think it would be a bit neat if there were HRE-like institutions for numerous regions - the British and Iberian Leagues, the...Seljuk places since that's the only name for them I remember maybe the Turkic Poly-Caliphate or something with a less lame name, and possibly that kind of apparatus for vassal states of ours that are less in our control - the Pechenegs and others like them. I wonder if that kind of thing with numerous HREs is even possible, or how glitchy it would be. Closest you can do is apply the shogunate system to a custom government (i.e.: Vassals can have diplomatic relations, including war, with each other), which isn't really appropriate for regions that don't have a clear central ruler (like us).
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AdventFalls posted:EDIT: Example: I think all the Georgians are all gone, replaced by Persians or Greeks except in Abhzakia. Abkhazia is Persian too, actually. Orthodox Persian, but still Persian. Not really sure how that one happened, really.
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Rincewind posted:Abkhazia is Persian too, actually. Orthodox Persian, but still Persian. Not really sure how that one happened, really. Yeah, that sounds like a case of 'turn that poo poo back' unless we want to run with a 'the Persians are assholes' angle.
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Well out of all the places to apply the HRE to, I say do it for the Otto-Seljuk-whatever region - they're decently fragmented but have a common Turkic-ish empire in common - maybe passing all the reforms turns them into the Ottomans so they can smash stuff up. England would be amusing as a shogunate, actually.
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Rincewind posted:I can answer any questions about the endgame save though, since I still have the old CK2 version on my Mac partition so I can still get at the save. So if there's a ledger page you want to see, a blob on the endgame map you want to see the name/culture/ruler of, or anything else, I'll get in there and find it for you. Mostly wondering if any of the large blobs that remain are ruled by people with more than one crown. If so I would say those should be split into PUs for every equal level title held by them, with the primary title being the ruling nation, even if it is the smaller one.
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Amnistar posted:Mostly wondering if any of the large blobs that remain are ruled by people with more than one crown. If so I would say those should be split into PUs for every equal level title held by them, with the primary title being the ruling nation, even if it is the smaller one. The King of Scotland also holds the title of King of Ireland, but that's mostly just because at some point well after Scotland conquered most of Ireland a rival member of the Kyle dynasty claimed the crown and there was a long stupid series of intra-dynasty wars. The king of France holds the title of King of Tripolitania, for some reason, but holds no territory in Tripolitania, so whatever. The ruler of Abyssinia (the largest of the Somalia successor states) also holds k_nubia, and Mansa Ghana of Ghana (that's his actual name! He's named "Ghana"! It's incredible!) is also the king of Songhai. Adam II banu Barghawati is Sultan of both Mauritania and Algeria, but only rules like two counties of Algeria. A few HRE members are multi-dukes-- Duchess Adelheid van Friedrichshafen of Saxony is also the Duchess of Verona, for example-- but they're, like, the opposite of a blob, and in any case the HRE is probably just getting rolled into one state (or the other princes will just be made vassals of Brunswick, the only remaining HRE state of any consequence) since as hilarious as an HRE with like 8 electors and 10 members is, it's a waste of the HRE mechanics better used elsewhere. So basically there's not really any clear-cut examples of the same king or queen ruling two different kingdoms-- the handful of double kings are mostly either kings who pried the title out of the hands of a relative (Ghana, Scotland) in a series of wars, or they own just a tiny bit (or none at all) of their alleged second kingdom (France, Mauritania). The only kind of exception would be Abyssinia and Nubia, but since I'm pretty sure you can't put trade republics in personal unions that model wouldn't really work for it. EDIT: It seems like voting is slowing down, so  VOTING CLOSES AT MIDNIGHT EST.
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So I've lost track of this thread as of late, good read just haven't been in the mood. That's fine, whatever. So here I am, with some friends in the Camping the Stairs mumble and suddenly this fat sounding guy comes in, asks if we know of the thread, links it and then tells us to post double hash tag rome in the thread before leaving again. So gently caress you, user Samuel V. ##vote Byzantine
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Gamerofthegame posted:So I've lost track of this thread as of late, good read just haven't been in the mood. That's fine, whatever. So here I am, with some friends in the Camping the Stairs mumble and suddenly this fat sounding guy comes in, asks if we know of the thread, links it and then tells us to post double hash tag rome in the thread before leaving again. This explains where all those Rome votes came SO goddamn much.
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With how close the vote is, it almost seems that no matter what the Senate decrees, most of Roman politicians and historians will keep calling the empire whatever they want.
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If it ends up as a tie, will we be called Byzantrome?
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Gamerofthegame posted:So I've lost track of this thread as of late, good read just haven't been in the mood. That's fine, whatever. So here I am, with some friends in the Camping the Stairs mumble and suddenly this fat sounding guy comes in, asks if we know of the thread, links it and then tells us to post double hash tag rome in the thread before leaving again. Ha ha you're loving kidding me.
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Ha ha you're loving kidding me. They bussed in some Senators from loving Andalusia.
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 I must condemn this! Foreigners are corrupting the vote of the Roman Senate! 
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If true, that's equal parts  and  On the one hand, that's the kind of under-handedness and thrifty movement that one could expect from a Roman Senator. The only thing he didn't do was promise loving grain. On the other hand, as much as I'd like Rome to win, I'm not so loving obsessed with the thread that I'd bus in people who haven't previously felt the need to come here. Edit: Feeling curious, I went back through the thread to check in on the recent votes. Voter Pseudophile basically confirmed GotG's story. So, the question comes down to how many of these votes specifically came from Samuel's work (there's a minimum of 1 who absolutely admitted it)... And whether or not it's even worth the effort of discounting all of them. Some of them might genuinely want to be a part of the thread from here on out. Separating those form the folks who're just here because they were robotically following one guy's request will be A. difficult, because why would you admit to doing such a thing for a loving LP and B. is going to be prone to a lot of self-interest. Old Romans will want the least amount of votes discounted as possible and New Byzantines will want the most possible. At the very least, I think we should probably go ahead and blacklist Senator Samuel for this and remove his vote from the proceedings. Whether the new votes will be enthusiastic new members or not, there's no place for this kind of behavior in a loving LP. Skyfinder fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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##vote Byzanrome because c'mon.
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There is only one true path: ##Vote Byzanrome
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 Steppes and Republics Perhaps we as senators must forgo such outdated titles such as "Rome" or "Byzantium", perhaps we should recreate an Empire older and greater then that of the Roman or Byzantine Empire. We should recreate Alexander the Great's Macedonian Empire!!!!!! ## Vote Makedon 
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I've just been lurking the thread and decided to vote one way when I saw a 1-off tie and flipped a coin.
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Fuckin' voter fraud in an LP thread, I love it. Obviously, this an affront which cannot stand! I've always known the Old Romans cannot be trusted, and this only proves it. Even better, this turn of events only proves that the Byzantium is the only correct vote, since those who support the choice of Rome had to resort to calling upon decidedly non-Roman people in order to win. I think we can officially call this as a victory for Byzantium 
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Vote Xrestosland for are we not all united by our love for jegus?
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ROME: 55 Funky Valentine Skyfinder Gnooble Lord Cyrahzax BwenGun Sparq AJ_Impy StrifeHira Raserys ZearothK Fox Ironic Flesnolk Dux Supremus theblastizard mcclay ChaosSamusX Ghetto Prince WeaponGradeSadness Disproportionation TheLoquid LJN92 Alikchi Amnistar Arbite RZApublican NewMars Readingaccount Semquais sniper4625 Samuel Ubern00b GenHavoc YF-23 Freudian Horsebanger Alexey ThingOne Jihad Joe MacRomanGuy derkaiser Inkel luserus ThatBasqueGuy FluffyBunny Dr. Snark Sokani Pseudophile fullTimeLurker Emprah Necroskowitz Mister Olympus Azzanadra tatankatonk shirunei Lord Windy BYZANTIUM: 52 Blackunknown Aeromancia ChrisAsmadi Sinner Sandwich Ghostwoods Patter Song Pyroi AdventFalls TheFlyingLlama TheMcD OddObserver GoatLord Frozen_flame Dr karma Redeye Flight Rubix Squid Luhood Sindai DerLeo Lost Season Adept Nightingale Dreamsicle Mirdini Rejected Fate Caustic Soda ManicMarine cokerpilot D3m3 Beerdeer UrbicaMortis sheep-dodger Lynneth Meinberg Talas Averrences Five Erwin the German nothing to seehere vyelkin Zikan Mortuus Geshtal Hitlers Gay Secret WilliamAnderson NGDBSS Clayren DentedLamp MarsDragon Josef bugman LordGugs Gamerofthegame GrabbinPeels BYZANROME????: Choccy Starfish Frionnel Krysmphoenix 45 minutes left
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##Vote Byzantine, we don't even own Rome. And we're our own creature at this point anyway.
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Even without Rome, we are Rome! Rome transcends Rome! Rome is a tradition, a legacy, a promise of a future!
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The Rome Faction shipped in Senators from Andalusia and *China*. Vote Byzantium!
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##Vote Byzantium. Been lurking around following this, might as well enter the madhouse and start voting. Let the past lie, Byzantium is the future!
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I find it funny that the New Byzantines, once the great purveyors of equality in all things culture, religion and race now fret and screech over how foreigners in the Senate might be shifting their votes away from the New Byzantines and to the Old Romans. Senator Samuel's actions are appalling, I'll agree that much with the New Byzantines. However, whereas their fear comes only from the fear of losing their power, losing the Senate, my distaste comes form ideals. It comes from virtue. And where does that virtue come from? The ideals and promises of Rome. Not the city, as the New Byzantines so foolishly focus on. For Rome isn't a city, a set of territories or even an empire. Rome is citizen virtue. Rome is serving your country through the army for so many years before you even dream of empowering yourself through petty politics. Rome is dictators who rise to the occasion when they are needed, and then set aside their power when the emergency has passed. Rome is Five Good Emperors, Constantine, Augustus, The Komnenoi. Rome, despite some disagreement with the dynasty, is the Yaroslavovich. All of these men served to the best of their ability, even when some of their predecessors would not. The Komnenoi and Yaroslavovich especially define citizen virtue and service, fighting valiantly on the field of battle, many even giving up their very lives. It is duty to one's state above all else, and it is the inclusive Empire that takes in many, teaches them to be Roman and then allows them into our breasts with open arms. What is Byzantium, by contrast? Byzantium is feudal douxes, who have been in power for far too long. Byzantium is a group of Senators who are obsessed with the "new" but who never take the steps to define what that new is: for new and change are words that can draw in those who see no way out in the current system, even if what the promise of new and change is does not live up to the expectations, or worse, is counter to those hopes. Byzantium, and the New Byzantines, is a wish that can never be, for the men who have staffed that party and support the ideals do not have the steel in their spines, the strength and virtue of character, to see it through. Rome was a reality. Rome is our reality. And Rome will be our reality from now until the End of Days if we accept it in all parts: Empire, Virtue, Duty and all. Do not allow the actions of one man, or the opportunistic crowing of those who would see to benefit from him, to dissuade your heart, your mind or your soul. Vote Rome.
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Anzrel posted:##Vote Byzantium. Bold your poo poo, man
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##Vote Rome I am a lurker, but I vote Rome on my own volition.
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At last! Senators, Rome has triumphed, as it has, as it shall, and as it must!
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