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Also Jinbe doesn't even need haki to hurt luffy. He just keeps his pimp hand strong.
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Indigo Cephalopods posted:I'm pretty sure when Smiley "died" a fruit in a nearby cart transformed into what I assume is its fruit, but I might be misremembering Pretty much, but I was wondering what happened to the fruit after that. We haven't seen the Axolotl fruit since Smiley died, have we? Surely it's not still in that cart.
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Fuckshoes posted:Pretty much, but I was wondering what happened to the fruit after that. We haven't seen the Axolotl fruit since Smiley died, have we? Surely it's not still in that cart. Haven't seen it cause that fruit sucks.
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Jan 31, 2016 01:33
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Death Bot posted:I feel like this is pretty common for shonen,but they don't always do a great job of showing that fourth layer because it's just being improvised I'd say individual fights make up a layer before the story arc layer, so there's really five layers.
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Jan 31, 2016 01:43
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Amazon Lily is in the middle of a calm belt, surrounded on all sides by Sea Kings. If they want to eat anything besides what they can grow on the island, they need to be super-tough.
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Suaimhneas posted:Amazon Lily is in the middle of a calm belt, surrounded on all sides by Sea Kings. If they want to eat anything besides what they can grow on the island, they need to be super-tough. I also think that plenty of non-Haki users are way stronger than a typical Kuja. Haki isn't a new level of power so much as a new kind of power. Also, as much as I like pointing out Oda's retcons (for example, Law was first introduced as Luffy's rival for One Piece, so his later characterization as willing to die just to kill Doflamingo is a bit odd), Haki was legitimately set up pretty early on. Blackbeard mentioned Luffy having Haki back in Jaya (although I suppose he could have just meant that Luffy was determined/ambitious), and Mantra was introduced at Skypeia shortly afterwards. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 01:49
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Silver2195 posted:Blackbeard mentioned Luffy having Haki back in Jaya (although I suppose he could have just meant that Luffy was determined/ambitious), and Mantra was introduced at Skypeia shortly afterwards. IIRC, while Haki literally just means spirit/conviction/willpower, it's always been spelled a certain way in Japanese so it resembles the characters for Chi. And in that context, it's pretty reasonable to assume he was using it to refer to his inner Haki, since it's a force that exists inside all living creatures and all.
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Jan 31, 2016 02:19
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Last Celebration posted:IIRC, while Haki literally just means spirit/conviction/willpower, it's always been spelled a certain way in Japanese so it resembles the characters for Chi. And in that context, it's pretty reasonable to assume he was using it to refer to his inner Haki, since it's a force that exists inside all living creatures and all. Ah, so it's haKI. Another one of Oda's puns.
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Jan 31, 2016 02:49
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Silver2195 posted:I also think that plenty of non-Haki users are way stronger than a typical Kuja. Haki isn't a new level of power so much as a new kind of power. Well most of the Amazon's have to be pretty low level given that Luffy was able to knock a load of them out using conqueror's haki and you have to be pretty weak to fall from that.
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Jan 31, 2016 12:51
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Suaimhneas posted:Amazon Lily is in the middle of a calm belt, surrounded on all sides by Sea Kings. If they want to eat anything besides what they can grow on the island, they need to be super-tough. Yes, the Calm Belt is basically a No-Man's Land (  ) of unusually strong creatures. The island near Amazon Lily Luffy used to train for 2 years with Rayleigh to refine his Haki abilities and develop Gear Fourth/etc was an uncharted island full of incredibly strong giant animals that could outmatch even a seasoned Grand Line pirate like Luffy. To sane people, you're not even supposed to set foot there normally.With Rayleigh, though, he could swim through the Calm Belt and take on a Sea King bare-handed before carrying it to Amazon Lily to eat. He's just that ridiculously strong. To use a DnD analogy, Rayleigh and other world class pirates like him are on the far end of the dice roll spectrum, being able to clear 100 feet sheer walls made of oil and other mind-bending poo poo. tsob posted:Well most of the Amazon's have to be pretty low level given that Luffy was able to knock a load of them out using conqueror's haki and you have to be pretty weak to fall from that. If you remember from when Shanks met with Whitebeard, Jozu mentioned that if you're not prepared for it, Haki can still knock down a strong fighter. The pirates on the WB crew weren't exactly chumps. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 13:53
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Silver2195 posted:Ah, so it's haKI. Another one of Oda's puns. one piece manga thread: oda... Does It Again !!
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Jan 31, 2016 14:00
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Silver2195 posted:I also think that plenty of non-Haki users are way stronger than a typical Kuja. Haki isn't a new level of power so much as a new kind of power. Hunter x Hunter kind of plays with this idea a fair bit too. Gon and Killua are practically amateurs at Nen, but manage to beat more experienced people because they're naturally strong, even if untrained, and they are physically powerful too. You have Gon and Killua tumping weak nen-users on Greed Island who attempt to use magic card by just being faster, Gon suckering people out of money by arm wrestling with normies desipite being able to lift a Ford Focus over his head and so on. You even have this a little in One Piece, where Luffy can still hurt... Marigold (I think?) despite her Armament by using Gear second. Your Dunkle Sans posted:If you remember from when Shanks met with Whitebeard, Jozu mentioned that if you're not prepared for it, Haki can still knock down a strong fighter. The Pirates on the WB crew weren't exactly chumps. i thought that was more that Shank's haki was so strong you had to be extra badass to not be affected. His aura was physically ripping up bits of the ship and poo poo too, I remember.
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Jan 31, 2016 16:32
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This image amuses me because the only Supernova who gets a full body shot is Jewellery Bonney. Meanwhile Capone is literally his head shoved above her arms and a gun.
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Jan 31, 2016 17:15
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Rohan Kishibe posted:i thought that was more that Shank's haki was so strong you had to be extra badass to not be affected. His aura was physically ripping up bits of the ship and poo poo too, I remember. Yeah Shanks' haki is regarded as incredibly, over the top powerful. It's implied that this is why he is a Yonku despite having a comparatively small crew (only Yonku seen without an entire armada, in fact) and no insane devil fruit shenanigans. I don't even think any of his crew have demonstrated fruit powers. Shanks has perhaps the strongest haki in the OP world, or at least the strongest yet shown.
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Jan 31, 2016 17:45
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I agree that Shanks probably has the most powerful Haki in the OP world. He was probably able to match blades with Mihawk by applying Haki to his sword, Mihawk did mention to Zoro that anyone can make their sword a 'black blade' (like his is naturally) by applying Haki to it. It'd be interesting if Shanks is an inferior swordsman relative to Mihawk, but is so strong with Haki that it trumps everything else by consequence. Same deal for fighting with a single arm now. e: In a surprising twist, Shanks can actually manifest a second arm out of pure Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Jan 31, 2016 17:56
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Stallion Cabana posted:This image amuses me because the only Supernova who gets a full body shot is Jewellery Bonney. Meanwhile Capone is literally his head shoved above her arms and a gun. Luffy isn't full body?
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Jan 31, 2016 18:00
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"d[-.- posted:b" post="455672482"] Oh yeah he is. You're right
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Stallion Cabana posted:This image amuses me because the only Supernova who gets a full body shot is Jewellery Bonney. Meanwhile Capone is literally his head shoved above her arms and a gun. I'm confused, Fullbody isn't a Supernova so why would he even be in the picture in the first place 
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Jan 31, 2016 18:14
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Crazyeyes posted:Shanks has perhaps the strongest haki in the OP world, or at least the strongest yet shown. i think rayleigh wins that on account of swimming through calm belt knocking out all the sea kings when having the power to control them is supposed to be a super weapon
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Jan 31, 2016 18:34
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Jose posted:i think rayleigh wins that on account of swimming through calm belt knocking out all the sea kings when having the power to control them is supposed to be a super weapon Probably true. He can use Conqueror's Haki with pinpoint accuracy (ie the Shabondy auction house scene) and was the first mate of Roger, as opposed to an apprentice cabin boy like Shanks was.
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Jan 31, 2016 18:38
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Parrotine posted:It did make me ask something that never occurred to me before; how come Enel doesn't have any wings? Isn't he from Bilka? He has that metal ring thing instead, which is unlikely to be something he was born with so he may have replaced his wings with it, which is kind of terrifying to think about.
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I wonder how Enel originally found his Devil Fruit. I've normally thought of Devil Fruits being distributed by rolling and floating along the ocean, but it'd be hard to end up in Skypeia that way. Even with Devil Fruits being as rare as they are, it'd be neat to see the Strawhats actually find some in the wild as opposed to scenes of it being bestowed by someone to someone else. There's probably a reason Oda has been deliberately avoiding how people find Devil Fruits originally, hasn't he?
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Jan 31, 2016 19:17
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It could still float to him, knock up streams and all that. There is a cloud sea too it could've floated to him on. Given his god complex though it probably was something enshrined and he ate, or was raised by come kind of cult to eat.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:There's probably a reason Oda has been deliberately avoiding how people find Devil Fruits originally, hasn't he? Luffy is too stupid not to help himself to some new food
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Hunter x Hunter kind of plays with this idea a fair bit too. Gon and Killua are practically amateurs at Nen, but manage to beat more experienced people because they're naturally strong, even if untrained, and they are physically powerful too. You have Gon and Killua tumping weak nen-users on Greed Island who attempt to use magic card by just being faster, Gon suckering people out of money by arm wrestling with normies desipite being able to lift a Ford Focus over his head and so on. You even have this a little in One Piece, where Luffy can still hurt... Marigold (I think?) despite her Armament by using Gear second. Yeah, Luffy could hit hard enough to get through the sisters' Armament and move fast enough to beat their Observation Haki just by going Gear Second. One Piece does a really good job of managing its various superpowers and how they play off each other. Some are clearly more versatile and powerful than others, but each has its own strengths and weaknesses so it's conceivable, for example, that someone like Crocodile could play with the big boys despite not knowing Haki, etc. through his insane level of control over his devil fruit.
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Crazyeyes posted:Yeah Shanks' haki is regarded as incredibly, over the top powerful. It's implied that this is why he is a Yonku despite having a comparatively small crew (only Yonku seen without an entire armada, in fact) and no insane devil fruit shenanigans. I don't even think any of his crew have demonstrated fruit powers. When did they say Shanks didn't have an Armada?
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Sub Harrison posted:When did they say Shanks didn't have an Armada? That no other ships seemed to show up with him to stop the war is a pretty compelling argument against him having an armada in my mind. If you're going to war you bring all the boys.
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Shanks appears to only have one large ship on which all of his crew hang out. It's a much bigger crew than the Strawhats, but it isn't broken up into divisions or fleets or anything as far as is seen.
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When Mihawk and Ace went to visit Shanks, it seemed he had a fairly large crew with unnamed red shirt mooks but nothing bigger than that. It's just one big party crew. It looked like the same deal with Roger at the Edd War, with no Armada ships to back them up. It'd make sense for Roger's protege to follow in his footsteps. I wonder if Roger ever was recognized as Yonkou prior to becoming the Pirate King or if he just skipped straight to Top Badass? Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 31, 2016 |
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:When Mihawk and Ace went to visit Shanks, it seemed he had a fairly large crew with unnamed red shirt mooks but nothing bigger than that. It's just one big party crew. I think it's entirely possible that Yonkou weren't a thing before Roger. They came to fill the power vacuum when he died.
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Mr. Fowl posted:I think it's entirely possible that Yonkou weren't a thing before Roger. They came to fill the power vacuum when he died. Whitebeard definitely fought against Roger. So while not being explicitly named Yonkou they probably held the same sort of position. We don't know how old Big Mam and Kaidou are, but it's safe to assume that while they're not Whitebeard old, Theyd be close to Roger's age.
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re: Shank's Haki Oda did say that Shanks could have knocked down all of the FIshmen Pirates, while Luffy was limited to taking down half.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Whitebeard definitely fought against Roger. So while not being explicitly named Yonkou they probably held the same sort of position. Right. I'm just saying that there were strong pirates before Roger, but I don't think there were "Yonkou". The emergence of pirate emperors dividing up part of world seems to me to be a post-roger thing. But this is just speculation.
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haki is so powerful that even when i read about it i pass out
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There might not have been a 4 Emperors "position" at the time, but Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki were pirate superpowers of some sort, right? There may have been more but I would assume that those 3 filled the same role as the 4 Emperors.
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I think Shiki was just a dude
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Comic posted:It could still float to him, knock up streams and all that. There is a cloud sea too it could've floated to him on. I've always wondered about Enel. Other characters talked about rumors of him destroying his homeland, but none of his entourage confirmed it and when he spouted stuff about it being unnatural for humans to live in the sky it felt kind of forced. Kind of resembles Rob Lucchi to me, in that they both seem to have inscrutable motivations that might get expounded on at some point.
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LostRook posted:I've always wondered about Enel. Other characters talked about rumors of him destroying his homeland, but none of his entourage confirmed it and when he spouted stuff about it being unnatural for humans to live in the sky it felt kind of forced. Kind of resembles Rob Lucchi to me, in that they both seem to have inscrutable motivations that might get expounded on at some point. I get the impression Lucci was indoctrinated from a young age with the idea that anyone who acted against the World Government deserved to be crushed, and actually took it even farther than his teachers meant it due to his natural sadism. The CP9 cover story implies that he's mellowed since losing to Luffy.
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Parrotine posted:I think Shiki was just a dude His defeat at the hands of a rookie might have been undignified but they sent Sengoku and Garp to take him down, also known as the future leader of the marines and the marine's answer to Roger. He was loving important.
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