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amigolupus posted:I do think Laios and Senshi need the reality check, given they're at the stage where they're just feeding other people monsters without their knowledge. Like how they tried to feed a devastated Marcille some Harpy omelet after the Chimera Falin encounter, or Senshi adding a Walking Mushroom to the risotto he made for Izutsumi.
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# ? May 18, 2024 21:37 |
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There's also a sort of oblique explanation for the distaste in the episode before this one, when Laois is happy to have met Itzu. He talks about how she isn't bloodthirsty like monsters are, which says to me that there is a definite distinction between monsters as a category and animals. How does one know when looking at a given creature which side of the line it's on? An interesting question. Like, we do because we know anything that isn't real is a monster, but is it actually a hard line in universe or as flexible as the definition of 'human'? Is the kraken just a giant squid, or is it a monster?
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# ? May 18, 2024 21:38 |
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The anime does seem to have omitted a portion of the conversation from the manga: Monsters containing the equivalent of a toxin would be a pretty good reason to avoid eating them!
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# ? May 18, 2024 21:48 |
Lazy Fair posted:Most people having an aversion to eating monsters makes sense on the surface if you think about it like it's real life. These distinctions and cultural nuances and moral grey areas are the luxuries of people who aren't hungry
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# ? May 18, 2024 21:51 |
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The thing about them eating people is a little weird to me since plenty of animals try that too.
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# ? May 18, 2024 21:52 |
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Clarste posted:The thing about them eating people is a little weird to me since plenty of animals try that too. Well, obligate carnivores like big cats aren't usually known for being good eating, and even wolves, which are commonly hunted and rarely man-eaters, aren't to my knowledge a big part of any regional cuisine I'm aware of. Some cultures even refuse to eat fish from lakes where bodies are buried, so it's not an uncommon taboo. The only overlap in the Venn diagram of "game animal" and "maneater" I can name is a brown bear, but even then, bear paws and fat are just the exception to the rule that carnivore flesh generally tastes foul. Not that I'd know from experience or anything, I'm mostly going off things I've read in novels.
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lightrook posted:Well, obligate carnivores like big cats aren't usually known for being good eating, and even wolves, which are commonly hunted and rarely man-eaters, aren't to my knowledge a big part of any regional cuisine I'm aware of. Some cultures even refuse to eat fish from lakes where bodies are buried, so it's not an uncommon taboo. From what I understand, part of the problem is that carnivores by their nature eat a lot of other animals, so any harmful substances or surviving parasites those animals have will accumulate within the carnivore.
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Asterite34 posted:These distinctions and cultural nuances and moral grey areas are the luxuries of people who aren't hungry See, this is kinda where my head's been at. I'm thinking this is akin to frontiersman/wilderness exploration where I cannot possibly fathom returning to a city to get provisions instead of at least learning to supplement my rations along the way. And then if a friendly, healthy dude comes up to me and points out all the stuff I can eat, you bet your rear end I'm learning his ways. It's only practical. Use those bones and fur, too! I would also be eating a lot of poo poo out of revenge if it's killed me before.
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# ? May 18, 2024 22:40 |
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I can't shake the deep suspicion that eating monsters is how you get prions.
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# ? May 18, 2024 22:42 |
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Suleman posted:From what I understand, part of the problem is that carnivores by their nature eat a lot of other animals, so any harmful substances or surviving parasites those animals have will accumulate within the carnivore. Yeah, look up the impact that food chain contamination has on top predators like polar bears.
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# ? May 18, 2024 22:43 |
…poo poo, now I’m wondering if you can commit auto-cannibalism by getting killed by a monster that partially eats you, getting revived, killing it before it had a chance to digest what it ate, then eating the monster.
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YggiDee posted:I can't shake the deep suspicion that eating monsters is how you get prions. I can't shake the deep suspicion that eating monsters is how you get psions.
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Rand Brittain posted:I can't shake the deep suspicion that eating monsters is how you get psions. So who's awakening their latent Blue Mage first? And how jealous will Laios be when it's not him?
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# ? May 18, 2024 23:39 |
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weird that the only adverse effect so far has been laois eating the raw parasite
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# ? May 19, 2024 04:28 |
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This needs a One Punch Man crossover where eating monsters definitely does give you powers.
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# ? May 19, 2024 04:33 |
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lightrook posted:The only overlap in the Venn diagram of "game animal" and "maneater" I can name is a brown bear, but even then, bear paws and fat are just the exception to the rule that carnivore flesh generally tastes foul. If we're talking about novels and bears, I always remember a description I read. "Bear that has lived too much on other animals is not very nice, but bear that has had plenty of honey and fruit is excellent, and this turned out to be that sort of bear." So if that's true, then bears aren't even an exception. Just a variant on the rule.
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Goffer posted:This needs a One Punch Man crossover where eating monsters definitely does give you powers. The only power they got from eating monsters in that were super squirts
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# ? May 19, 2024 05:25 |
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I also just realized the only time I played DnD, it was as a hillbilly drow who kept eating all the monsters we came across. DM would have me roll constitution throws every time I did it. So I might be biased here.
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Das Boo posted:See, this is kinda where my head's been at. I'm thinking this is akin to frontiersman/wilderness exploration where I cannot possibly fathom returning to a city to get provisions instead of at least learning to supplement my rations along the way. And then if a friendly, healthy dude comes up to me and points out all the stuff I can eat, you bet your rear end I'm learning his ways. It's only practical. Use those bones and fur, too! We haven’t seen too many adventuring parties, but it seems like most of them treat the dungeon as…a hike? A more-dangerous-than-usual day job? Most people aren’t down there eating to survive, they’re making adventuring forays and returning home to rest up for the next one. They just aren’t taking it seriously. Unlike Laios and co.
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# ? May 19, 2024 05:47 |
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Yeah they're not taking it seriously because they're relying on corpse retrieval and teleport spells. They're taking the easy way and budgeting out their trips with so many days food and they expect to get to X location to do Y quest, maybe they're collecting bounties, maybe they're doing errands for someone, maybe they're just trying to get to the lowest point of the dungeon and look for that wacky magician. No matter what, they're handling it as casually as someone to whom death doesn't really apply would. Everything short of being digested by a monster is fixable and even then there's a chance (assuming your resurrectionist brought a spare cow).
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Kwyndig posted:Yeah they're not taking it seriously because they're relying on corpse retrieval and teleport spells. They're taking the easy way and budgeting out their trips with so many days food and they expect to get to X location to do Y quest, maybe they're collecting bounties, maybe they're doing errands for someone, maybe they're just trying to get to the lowest point of the dungeon and look for that wacky magician. They're often treating it seriously, but they're treating it seriously as a very different thing from Laios and co. They get a job, budget the supplies to do it, finish the job, leave, and collect the money. It's a concrete mission with beginning, middle, and end along with a budget, supplies, and clear measures to mitigate risk. Laios, meanwhile, is trying to go to the deepest layers of the dungeon on a tight time table, with no money. It means he has to take a very different approach.
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chiasaur11 posted:They're often treating it seriously, but they're treating it seriously as a very different thing from Laios and co. They get a job, budget the supplies to do it, finish the job, leave, and collect the money. It's a concrete mission with beginning, middle, and end along with a budget, supplies, and clear measures to mitigate risk. Well at least at this point they're no longer really on a time table, it's just a matter of getting to the bottom and/or to the Mad Mage. Although now I suppose even if they found a bunch of money it wouldn't matter because they can't leave without getting Marcille arrested.
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# ? May 19, 2024 07:54 |
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(which is not true for all of the fictional creatures that Kui draws upon, being that slimes are canonically essentially konbu, or edible kelp) It's worth observing that the creatures Marcille imagines subsequently in her nightmare in ep2/ch3 really do seem more inedible; if the party had rolled so that their random encounter every day is a zombie horde or ghosts, there might not be much to eat (ROT-13 MANGA SPOILERS Vg'f uvagrq yngre gung vg'f abg na nppvqrag gur cnegl nyjnlf frrzf gb svaq guvatf gurl jnag jvgu whfg gur evtug punyyratr engvat, hayrff Guvfgyr vf npgviryl vagreiravat va na nern: gur bar naq bayl gvzr gur cnegl snvyf gb svaq sbbq). Senshi is also allowed to have what seems to be an infinite amount of flour, onions, garlic, salt, sauce oils, butter, etc. to make dishes palatable. They're not just bushmeat skewers with a thick vegetable stew every day. ronya fucked around with this message at 08:02 on May 19, 2024 |
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Man that is some foreshadowing
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# ? May 19, 2024 08:18 |
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ronya posted:Senshi is also allowed to have what seems to be an infinite amount of flour, onions, garlic, salt, sauce oils, butter, etc. to make dishes palatable. They're not just bushmeat skewers with a thick vegetable stew every day. I mean, that's how real life cooking works too. Singed pig is hardly a delicacy on its own either.
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TwoPair posted:Well at least at this point they're no longer really on a time table, it's just a matter of getting to the bottom and/or to the Mad Mage. Although now I suppose even if they found a bunch of money it wouldn't matter because they can't leave without getting Marcille arrested. They're still on a time table: Shuro said he was going to report to the lord of the island about chimera Falin, who we know puts out bounties on dangerous stuff in the dungeon. Laios said he's worried that before too long Falin will kill another adventuring party, or be killed by one.
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# ? May 19, 2024 09:37 |
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Electric Phantasm posted:Man that is some foreshadowing whats it foreshadowing? im stupid.
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# ? May 19, 2024 10:21 |
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Zeruel posted:whats it foreshadowing? im stupid. By using ancient magic, Marcille has become "a criminal who can't return to the surface".
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Zeruel posted:whats it foreshadowing? im stupid. “Those people are criminals who can’t return to the outside world” since that is literally going to be our party soon if it isn’t already.
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# ? May 19, 2024 10:38 |
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oh, yeah. personally I don't see marcille's use of ancient magicks deserving of a criminal charge
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# ? May 19, 2024 11:11 |
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e: nah
ronya fucked around with this message at 12:31 on May 19, 2024 |
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Zeruel posted:oh, yeah. personally I don't see marcille's use of ancient magicks deserving of a criminal charge Are you willing to be her defense attorney in this world where apparently every normal person thinks of black
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Zeruel posted:oh, yeah. personally I don't see marcille's use of ancient magicks deserving of a criminal charge Unfortunately the elves see things differently
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DrSunshine posted:Are you willing to be her defense attorney in this world where apparently every normal person thinks of black I played that Ace Attorney/Professor Layton crossover I can defend them!
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# ? May 19, 2024 14:21 |
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How are you going to call a 6 meter long, 3 meter tall turkey-human hybrid to the stand, huh??
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# ? May 19, 2024 14:26 |
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just demand trial by combat name falin as your champion 2ez
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# ? May 19, 2024 14:42 |
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I don't think it works like that. At least the impression that I get is that the Western elves are scary dudes and might be able to take Falin.
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Kwyndig posted:I don't think it works like that. At least the impression that I get is that the Western elves are scary dudes and might be able to take Falin. Yeah this seems like the kind of infraction where if you're lucky you get some sort of trial. Given Chilchuk's stories about the Elves, it seems they just black-bag people who are too magically... "interesting"
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# ? May 19, 2024 15:08 |
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I'm sure this is all a terrible cultural misunderstanding and we never hear from people again because they're having such a great time with the Elves that they forget to write home.
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# ? May 19, 2024 15:22 |
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the elves took them to summer camp but their perception of time works differently
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