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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Who cares about the lives of the rest of the people on the plane gotta have my fancy watch I see people use Bluetooth headphones on every takeoff. I’ve never once seen an attendant say anything, at least in recent memory. If Bluetooth was such a threat I’m sure planes would be falling from the sky left and right.
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They got rid of the headphone jack and now Bluetooth is important but continue to be a snarky sperg about a thing that isn't a big deal.
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Jealous Cow posted:Anyone in the upgrade program see anything different than “you’re eligible to upgrade!” And then the iPhone x greyed out on the next page? vikingstrike posted:I see people use Bluetooth headphones on every takeoff. I’ve never once seen an attendant say anything, at least in recent memory. If Bluetooth was such a threat I’m sure planes would be falling from the sky left and right.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:32
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If anyone thought it could seriously affect the plane then they would take away every phone on takeoff and landing.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:41
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You can only take 3oz of liquid so you can't bring a bomb on the plane but we will totally trust you to flip a switch you never use to make sure we all don't die in a horrible crash.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:49
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Yeah if anyone could've taken a plane down with a Bluetooth signal, they would have already done it years ago 
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Oct 23, 2017 14:57
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dexter6 posted:Just so everyone is clear about airplane mode... Can confirm, just took a flight with both my watch and airpods.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:06
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withak posted:If anyone thought it could seriously affect the plane then they would take away every phone on takeoff and landing. There have been demonstrated cases where phones using cellular data have caused issues with navigation systems. But cellular radios are much higher power on a lower frequency and sometimes use protocols more likely to generate induced currents in nearby wires. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are low-power, higher frequency and for Bluetooth spread spectrum which limits the likelihood of interference with wired systems. Not to mention any airliner offering Wi-Fi onboard would have been checked that it wasn’t susceptible to interference from Wi-Fi or likely any 2.4GHz signal.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:07
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fordan posted:There have been demonstrated cases where phones using cellular data have caused issues with navigation systems. But cellular radios are much higher power on a lower frequency and sometimes use protocols more likely to generate induced currents in nearby wires. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are low-power, higher frequency and for Bluetooth spread spectrum which limits the likelihood of interference with wired systems. Not to mention any airliner offering Wi-Fi onboard would have been checked that it wasn’t susceptible to interference from Wi-Fi or likely any 2.4GHz signal. This is a myth and urban legend.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:12
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Does anyone have any sources regarding bluetooth/wifi being bad for planes? I always use bluetooth headsets in planes but switch to wired during takeoff/landing. It'd be great if just airplane mode was enough and I could just stay on bluetooth.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:15
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bobfather posted:This is a myth and urban legend. You repeat yourself
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Oct 23, 2017 15:16
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I never turned off my devices when flying 
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Oct 23, 2017 15:21
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I leave my phone streaming YouTube while in the air so that it connects to cell towers across the world and I wrack up massive roaming charges Hell yeah baby!
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Oct 23, 2017 15:26
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bobfather posted:This is a myth and urban legend. No? I’d have to go hunting for it, but I’ve read a report that summarized I think crew reports to the Aviation Safety Reporting System involving issues with personal electronics, but I recall at lest one report where they were getting anomalous reading in the cockpit in flight and had the flight attendants check for phones not in airplane mode. They found a Blackberry in a luggage compartment still turned on, and when switched off, caused the anomaly to disappear. I believe there were a several similar stories although the bulk of the report was battery smoke/fires. And as a private pilot myself I’ve had a phone trying to pair to a ground tower while flying cause noise in my headset and make the navigation VOR needles move (though not a lot). It’s all about proximity of the radio to wires carrying data signals, especially analog data signals that don’t have any error correction. It’s not likely your phone will be near enough to such a wire to cause a problem but it can and has happened.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:38
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Lol the GSM noise in your headset in a 152 is a lot different from an airliner with multiple redundancies and shielded wiring being affected by a cell phone out with the PAX. Unless you can cite an actual scientific study or case study and just wave your PPL around like it matters, your anecdotes are worthless.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:41
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Anecdotes aren't data but it wouldn't be the internet without them.
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fordan posted:There have been demonstrated cases where phones using cellular data have caused issues with navigation systems. But cellular radios are much higher power on a lower frequency and sometimes use protocols more likely to generate induced currents in nearby wires. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are low-power, higher frequency and for Bluetooth spread spectrum which limits the likelihood of interference with wired systems. Not to mention any airliner offering Wi-Fi onboard would have been checked that it wasn’t susceptible to interference from Wi-Fi or likely any 2.4GHz signal. If having a transmitter going during takeoff/landing actually mattered then they wouldn't rely on the honor system to make sure that everything gets turned off.
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Pivo posted:Lol the GSM noise in your headset in a 152 is a lot different from an airliner with multiple redundancies and shielded wiring being affected by a cell phone out with the PAX. Unless you can cite an actual scientific study or case study and just wave your PPL around like it matters, your anecdotes are worthless. https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAPAP2003_03.PDF And while anecdotes like this may not live up to your desire for a scientific paper, I think they’re fine for disproving claims of myth and urban legend.
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I realize the point was proving that it's not urban legend, which I agree you did quite nicely, it's worth pointing out that this was almost 15 years ago and most of the interference they observed was at 1719mhz, which some quick googling suggests ... isn't commonly used for cellphones. The way I've heard it, it's still relatively common that a cellphone might interfere with the electronics on a small or dated plane, but it's exceedingly unlikely to have any effect on any modern aircraft, especially those in use in commercial air transport.
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Also 30 V/m at 30cm from the wiring harness is pretty loving extreme.quote:Although airline equipment would be the preferred choice, practical Oh, whoops. Invalidates the whole goddamn thing. Yes, in GA, it can screw with your instruments. Anyone who has been at the controls of a light aircraft with a GSM phone hunting for signal will have heard it on their headset or see needles jump around. GA equipment, unshielded environment, of course radio interference is a thing, it doesn't magically disappear because you're in a plane. But airliners are hardened against interference, and no passengers are 30cm away from the avionics, nor are they holding their phones 30cm away from an unshielded wiring harness. It would be like saying a C152 completely failed the fire suppression test. Of course it did, it doesn't have a fire suppression system. Using GA equipment and not airline equipment is a massive, massive oversight. Pivo fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 16:46
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I switch off airplane mode during descent in the hopes of picking up service to send texts.
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Oct 23, 2017 17:15
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Does anybody have a problem with iPhone calendar alerts? I just got a 1 week early alert for a meeting next week. And when I check on the event, I had it set to alert me 1 hour before and 1 day before. Now I'm paranoid it won't actually give me ~the alerts I chose~ because in the past it's skipped over ones I've set.
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fordan posted:https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAPAP2003_03.PDF The paper you linked is pretty interesting. Interference was found on their test bench at 30 volts / meter or higher, but they clarify the power of cellphones in 3.2: quote:Thus, for a 2-watt cellphone, the maximum field strength in free space at one metre distance is approximately 10 volts per metre, and at 100 metres distance, approximately 100 millivolts per metre. At close range, as would apply to cellphone usage on the flight deck, the field strength can be 33 volts per metre at a distance of 30cms. So at 1 foot away, some general aviation equipment from 2003 was effected only if that cellphone was transmitting at full power, or the signal was being amplified by their horn antenna that was pointed right at their test bench. Ironically, I've never been asked to turn off my cellphone in any helicopter I've ever flown in, though that or a light aircraft would be the only aircraft where I could possibly come within 1 feet of flight instruments with a phone. I've only ever been asked to turn my phone off on commercial flights where there's scientifically no possible way for my phone to cause disruptions to the equipment. I still say: total myth.
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I’ve noticed that since iOS11 my phone button always looks like it’s been pressed down. Anyone else have this issue?
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Looke posted:I’ve noticed that since iOS11 my phone button always looks like it’s been pressed down. I get this randomly for random apps. My Mail app is doing it right now. Tapping it open fixes it though I think. Speaking of apps I just realized/noticed that my home bar doesn’t show text anymore. I swear I remember it used to say “Mail” underneath the Mail app and so on but all four buttons on my home bar don’t have names. Is this a feature? Aaalso I picked up a pair of AirPods from the SF Union Square Apple store yesterday. I don’t know if these are still rare or not but they just had them on display. It works perfectly as advertised but is there a way to make it more automatic? Like, right just now I put both in my ears, and I heard the sound, but now when I open Spotify and press play music is still coming from my iPhone’s speakers. I have to tap a few buttons to get t to switch over to the AirPods and this is actually pretty annoying.
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Boris Galerkin posted:buttons on my home bar don’t have names. Is this a feature? yes
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Preorder is available. Edit: Preorder preapproval or whatever the hell you want to call it. Shapur fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 20:11
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That was quick. And it makes a calendar appointment to wake me up at 2:55am. Thanks, Tim.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:21
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What is this preapproval for exactly?
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Etrips posted:What is this preapproval for exactly? The loan for the phone.
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Etrips posted:What is this preapproval for exactly? Basically it looks like it's just so you don't have to type in all the required information in the middle of the night when you wake up to preorder.
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Boris Galerkin posted:
Hmmm - if you have had something playing and paused it before connecting AirPods, it should select the right output. I just tested that scenario with the Podcast app and the Music app. Actually no - I restarted the phone and tried it and it was selecting AirPods by default as my output when they were available. I don’t have Spotify so can’t test that. Maybe try the Podcast app and see if this is a “feature” for 1st party apple?
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Just tried it, works for me. Listening to Spotify on phone speaker, pause, remove airpods from case and put in ears, hear the connection sound, unpause Spotify and it plays through airpods.
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Oct 23, 2017 21:03
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:The loan for the phone. lol late-stage capitalism owns
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:lol late-stage capitalism owns I know you enjoy your shitposting but its actually pretty smart this year. Last year AUP people had to reserve a phone at a physical store. This year they get preapproved for the phone and can get it shipped just like everyone else. It's pretty much the same as getting preapproved for a mortgage before you go house shopping.
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Matt Zerella posted:It's pretty much the same as getting preapproved for a mortgage before you go house shopping.  a cell phone is not a house or a car
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:
My point is, AUP people have to jump through an extra hoop and they're getting it out of the way early this time, dingus.
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Matt Zerella posted:My point is, AUP people have to jump through an extra hoop and they're getting it out of the way early this time, dingus. my point is taking out a loan to get a new phone every year puts you on a debt treadmill. if people want to do that that's fine but come on it's okay to call a spade a spade.
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Ok? That has nothing at all to do with late stage capitalism and its no different from outright paying for the phone.
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Okay, thanks for the financial advice.
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