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Doc Hawkins posted:you a renter? doing anything on the 23rd? SB 529 is going to judiciary and the landlords will doubtless bus a bunch of folks to say that, i dunno, tenants associations are a path socialism or something Good, something landlords and tenants can agree on!
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soooo, spring platform --> momentum --> bread and roses --> momentum --> the call --> spring caucus --> bread and roses caucus. it's been 2 years.
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fermun posted:soooo, spring platform --> momentum --> bread and roses --> momentum --> the call --> spring caucus --> bread and roses caucus. it's been 2 years. Kinda curious about the venn diagram between these groups
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Dreddout posted:My main problem is I'm 99% sure there is already a caucus with the exact same name
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DONT THREAD ON ME posted:oh i'll probably join central sierra. maybe. idk. about half of the Sierra chapter either was originally part of Sacramento or still shows up to stuff, like me for example
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Cant wait for the DSA Socialist caucus. What the gently caress are these names
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Business Gorillas posted:Kinda curious about the venn diagram between these groups A perfect circle?
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Join build, it's the uncaucus.
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Kobayashi posted:Good, something landlords and tenants can agree on! 
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i got some zines from them. should probably read em
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Anyone going to the Chicago conference this weekend? I know Detroit has at least a couple goons who show up to stuff, would be nice to have a drink with fellow internet weirdos.
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Vhak lord of hate posted:A perfect circle? The most recent name change is because they ejected their guys from Philly, so the latest version would be somewhat smaller
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Business Gorillas posted:Kinda curious about the venn diagram between these groups Its area is equal to pi times its radius squared.
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The Caucasus caucus, for causes involving mountains and mountain-adjacent labor issues.
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quote:Yes, AND! All these slogans have something in common. We take a “yes, and…” approach to DSA organizing. One piece connects to another, often several others, which then build into solidarity networks and community support systems. We see the space, flexibility, and necessity for so much. Our horizon is wide. We want national DSA to match that horizon. Don't fall for this: they're an improv group.
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christmas boots posted:Don't fall for this: they're an improv group. we're building socialism, eating the rich, AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT DINNER PARTY?!
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so my inbox is flooded with drama from the planning of the anti nazi counter protest/rally later this month, the terminally online anarchists and communists are in a slap fight. It's extremely cool and good. I once again wanna emphasize I don't think all anarchists or communists are terrible and do nothing, but man these clowns practically feel like infiltrators. They even keep changing their various org names between e-mails. I'm actually kinda glad they left DSA but it's frustrating seeing that they're wasting the time of so many of our chapter's good leadership since we're trying to hold this thing together and also have a bunch of other poo poo like May Day coming up that we're working on, and we're not gonna let a dozen or so nazis feel like they won by showing up the park and no one was there to yell at them to get the gently caress outta our city
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It's amazing how needlessly dramatic things get. You don't need everyone's politics to be in lockstep for that kind of an event, you just need to be on the same page about the whole Nazi thing which should be the easiest loving thing in the world for a leftist organization
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christmas boots posted:It's amazing how needlessly dramatic things get. You don't need everyone's politics to be in lockstep for that kind of an event, you just need to be on the same page about the whole Nazi thing which should be the easiest loving thing in the world for a leftist organization someone in our chapter has a really good perspective on this that i'm stealing: some people have been so helpless in actually making change that all they can really do is yell and be the most correct person in the room. that works for when you're occupying a republican's office or you're disrupting a committee hearing, but that same approach is completely useless when you're in a room full of people that agree with you. basically, these people have a hammer and every problem they have is a nail.
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mrfreeze posted:Anyone going to the Chicago conference this weekend? I know Detroit has at least a couple goons who show up to stuff, would be nice to have a drink with fellow internet weirdos. I'm not going but I'm hosting a comrade from Minneapolis - maybe I'll see you at the bars. Look for a  neck tattoo
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CaptainJuan posted:I'm not going but I'm hosting a comrade from Minneapolis - maybe I'll see you at the bars. Look for a drat, unfortunately real life bullshit prevented me from going lasy minute, but one of our Detroit comrades does have  tattooed on his ankle.
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I'd go, but I just joined and it says you need to sign up pretty far in advance so 
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https://twitter.com/raviahmad/status/1117111188507299840?s=19 you hate to see it
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Doing a presentation on power mapping tomorrow and I'm a bit nervous
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The Xkdc Larper posted:Doing a presentation on power mapping tomorrow and I'm a bit nervous It'll be a great help, thank you for your service.
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I think it's been literally 10 years since I had to speak in front of more than five ppl lol
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hey goon caucus -- you all probably saw upthread or on twitter or whatever about DSA-LA falling apart due to A - harassment issues and B - the (at least perceived) inaction of the steering committee in the face of these harassment issues. I just recently moved here so I'm not too burnt out on the drama surrounding it all and I'm one of a bunch of people who seem to be taking initiative to try and change the structure so that this doesn't happen again. Currently the chapter is very centralized around the Steering Committee, which (the consensus seems to be) may not be responsible for the underlying harassment, but indirectly led to a lot of the follow-on issues. So, I'm reaching out to you, goons, on behalf of concerned DSA-LA members, for any recommendations and ideas about ways to structure the second largest chapter in the country so that it's less centralized, but may not have a lot of local-identity which makes just separating out into branches tough. Ideally, you can point me towards some bylaws/chapter constitutions already in place elsewhere and provide a little editorial on why you think whatever works well. Anywho, not asking for you have perfect answers, I just wanted to start a conversation and solicit some ideas.
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unbutthurtable posted:hey goon caucus -- you all probably saw upthread or on twitter or whatever about DSA-LA falling apart due to A - harassment issues and B - the (at least perceived) inaction of the steering committee in the face of these harassment issues. what area does dsa-la currently cover? The entirety of la? are there any neighborhood lines you could use as a way to break things up a bit?
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Idk, what do people think LA does well and how can the SC support more of that? What could they do better and how was the SC getting in the way?
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Agean90 posted:what area does dsa-la currently cover? The entirety of la? are there any neighborhood lines you could use as a way to break things up a bit? Most of LA county, with some areas like 'north long beach' being split between dsala and dsalb
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Agean90 posted:what area does dsa-la currently cover? The entirety of la? are there any neighborhood lines you could use as a way to break things up a bit? There are some nascent branches, where meetings are held like every other month, but they're basically just for splitting things up logistically and the SC has set the agendas and had a hand in running them. I just moved from NYC-DSA where I was intimately familiar with the branch system (I was on the Organizing Committee for Queens) and I kind of don't know how I feel about pushing LA more in that direction, since there was some dysfunction and, more importantly, it doesn't seem like DSA-LA has the same kind of....sense of identity based on these geographic sub-units. Maybe this is the time to build that identity, though... Kobayashi posted:Idk, what do people think LA does well and how can the SC support more of that? What could they do better and how was the SC getting in the way? I'll need to think more on the first part of that, but I think the second is that the SC needed to approve initiatives of the various issue-based committees, or at least had the ability to veto them, and they very regularly did veto them. To the point that I get the sense it stifled good initiatives.
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unbutthurtable posted:hey goon caucus -- you all probably saw upthread or on twitter or whatever about DSA-LA falling apart due to A - harassment issues and B - the (at least perceived) inaction of the steering committee in the face of these harassment issues. North Bay, I believe, has very horizontal bylaws I know. I suspect Eugene, OR might be a good chapter to ask but I don't know for sure
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big black turnout posted:North Bay, I believe, has very horizontal bylaws I know. I suspect Eugene, OR might be a good chapter to ask but I don't know for sure I'm reading the north bay ones right now and holy smokes this is wild
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm reading the north bay ones right now and holy smokes this is wild It's a little much for me tbqh
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm reading the north bay ones right now and holy smokes this is wild if you want another set of fairly horizontal bylaws (and ones I greatly admire and want every chapter to adopt) you should check out DSA San Francisco's bylaws. they fuckin' rule.
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big black turnout posted:It's a little much for me tbqh I mean, the thing that I keep getting hung up on is that, like, LA is (I think) the second largest chapter. It'd be rad if this radical approach was in place when it started and grew...but trying to adopt it after the fact just seems like an unnecessary fight. I did a lot of bylaws work in NYC the last two years, and honestly, it sounds non-radical but...you really need to consider if the fight is worth it sometimes. Syndlig posted:if you want another set of fairly horizontal bylaws (and ones I greatly admire and want every chapter to adopt) you should check out DSA San Francisco's bylaws. they fuckin' rule. Yeah, I downloaded them and will check them out. You're NTX, right? I actually downloaded those too. NTX gets up to good work, so I trust there's good stuff to learn there.
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Honestly, after skimming the dozen/dozen-and-a-half bylaws I downloaded, including the sample bylaws national hosts (but seems to have let atrophy), I don't think a chapter the size of LA can put off branch-izing any longer. I really hated the way NYC did it with the one rep per branch on the SC, plus like five or whatever citywide officers and then a totally separate assembly with proportional delegates per branch who can just vote stuff (some bylaws stuff, some resolution stuff) once every three months or so. There has to be something better.
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unbutthurtable posted:Honestly, after skimming the dozen/dozen-and-a-half bylaws I downloaded, including the sample bylaws national hosts (but seems to have let atrophy), I don't think a chapter the size of LA can put off branch-izing any longer. am i reading this post wrong or are you saying representative democracy is bad?
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