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Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
Also manly Romans thought eating meat is unmanly in large quantities and that real bro dudes make their own bread.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A shitload of it comes down to that tangled, twisted mess that is toxic masculinity, yeah.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Panfilo posted:

You'd think the "USDA is the nanny state telling you what to eat to brainwash you" type people would be first in line to eat/synthesize lab grown beef or bugs but they are so freaked out by all of it because it gets rolled into all their other government conspiracies.
If the giant corporations really did want them eating bugs then they'd be the first to eat well done Trump bugs with ketchup, because the marketing would tell them that that's what real men do.

We know this because they were the first to go all in on le epic bacon good sir which was anti-diet machismo as marketing for a slump in pork belly prices.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Vahakyla posted:

Also manly Romans thought eating meat is unmanly in large quantities and that real bro dudes make their own bread.

This is one of those facts I like to use on overbearing paleo and low-carb types. The Roman Empire was built on wheat bread, fish sauce, olive oil, and vegetables.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Jun 24, 2022

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

This is one of those facts I like to use on overbearing paleo and low-carb types. The Roman Empire was built on wheat bread, fish sauce, olive oil, and vegetables.

And look what happened to them!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Fish sauce bad, causes imperialism.

Romans, brits, both bad, both fish sauce weirdos.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
Japan too.

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.
Pretty cool how back in the '70s, the Libertarian Party prided themselves on being "pro-choice on everything" and now the Vice Chair of the LNC, who has a history of abandoned children with multiple women, is tweeting poo poo like this:

https://twitter.com/BreakJoshua/status/1540531780402429952


I bailed on the LP roughly 17 years ago because the sentiments that led me to be skeptical of the government also led me quite far to the left, but the turn they've taken is something else.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

right to bear karma posted:


I bailed on the LP roughly 17 years ago because the sentiments that led me to be skeptical of the government also led me quite far to the left, but the turn they've taken is something else.

nobody with power cares about the Libertarian Party, so they got taken over by alt-righters to promote more blatant fascism

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.
Oh, I'm aware of that. I started keeping an eye on the LP again a few years ago when I found out a libertarian socialist caucus had formed, hoping they'd get some leftward momentum going. :lol: at how badly that failed.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

right to bear karma posted:

Pretty cool how back in the '70s, the Libertarian Party prided themselves on being "pro-choice on everything" and now the Vice Chair of the LNC, who has a history of abandoned children with multiple women, is tweeting poo poo like this:

https://twitter.com/BreakJoshua/status/1540531780402429952


I bailed on the LP roughly 17 years ago because the sentiments that led me to be skeptical of the government also led me quite far to the left, but the turn they've taken is something else.
That's fine, you can just let them starve to death after they are born, should be ok according to Rothbard.

Jolly Jumbuck
Mar 14, 2006

Cats like optical fibers.
Wow, that's pretty insane that the party has devolved into an organization that has that guy as its vice chair.

While it's fun to come up with amusing hypocritical anecdotes and fun or depressing citing party stupidity, I try to maintain a view based on the ideology as a whole.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Forgall posted:

That's fine, you can just let them starve to death after they are born, should be ok according to Rothbard.

I think you're supposed to sell them on the open market to whoever will pay the most.

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

hooman posted:

And look what happened to them!

They transcended the mortal world and became the divine church... it's basically the D&D win condition...

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/hilzoy/status/1543602852408475649

https://mobile.twitter.com/hilzoy/status/1543603451166433280

https://mobile.twitter.com/hilzoy/status/1543604735906922501

https://mobile.twitter.com/hilzoy/status/1543605326510964736

https://mobile.twitter.com/hilzoy/status/1543605939185623046

Full article: https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-southwest/the-water-wars-come-to-the-suburbs

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Libertarian retort: "I have no problem with people working together to solve a big problem but they shouldn't be FORCED to do so if they don't consent."

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Look if everyone comes together and creates a collective water source then I won't be able to use my infinite water machine I am definitely going to invent in order to become immortan joe, which is an infringement upon my natural rights.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
Those Twitter quotes miss some funny parts of the article:

When a outside cooperation showed up to offer the services that that democratic collective was feared for providing, the libertarians were Hype. And became unable to imagine how Immortan Corp could ever abuse the power.

And the people moving there can't even imagine that "they" could ever allow a rich town to run out of water. This is why even other libertarians make fun of US-libertarians.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
:byodood: "SIDEWALKS!"
https://twitter.com/LibertariansDP/status/1545119851496235009?t=zp2q2-1Lj2Y8w_OUpK23HA&s=19

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013
What legal quaqmire are you in where you pay? Never seen that happen without the county or city forking out cash for the easement.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Vahakyla posted:

What legal quaqmire are you in where you pay? Never seen that happen without the county or city forking out cash for the easement.

My guess is either they made it up, he whined so much he pissed off someone who was then motivated to find out they haven't been paying taxes or have a load of parking tickets or whatever, or his having to make one was part of the agreement of him getting that property and once he did he just refused. Not sure if the last one even makes sense but it's never more than the same couple of things with Libertarians.

edit - or he hired a lawyer and dragged it out as long as possible and now believes the city should foot the bill because he's unhappy

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Oh no, one of his duplexes.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

SlothfulCobra posted:

Oh no, one of his duplexes.

Oh no, he's spent years monopolisng land and extracting rent from people and now he has to put back into the community. Oh no!

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

drat you bureaucratic politicians!
I’d drat you all to hell!

…if there were one

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
https://twitter.com/LibertariansDP/status/1545015448563060736?t=bzV7CCCjNgpkexpkRVHUXQ&s=19

This kind of springboards off the idea that college students are dumb and naive until they get 'a real job' and it's funny to see a Libertarian of all people think it works this way. Realistically, how many people go from socialist to libertarian vs the other way around during and after college? What college socialists are going to read Thomas Sowell and think 'oh! That changes everything!' (aside from that Ancap who got beat up by Greek anarchists or something).

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
It's classic projection, as if libertarianism isn't a dopey ideology that some people get really into when they're about college-age.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Panfilo posted:

https://twitter.com/LibertariansDP/status/1545015448563060736?t=bzV7CCCjNgpkexpkRVHUXQ&s=19

This kind of springboards off the idea that college students are dumb and naive until they get 'a real job' and it's funny to see a Libertarian of all people think it works this way. Realistically, how many people go from socialist to libertarian vs the other way around during and after college? What college socialists are going to read Thomas Sowell and think 'oh! That changes everything!' (aside from that Ancap who got beat up by Greek anarchists or something).

Also most Libertarians I've encountered only seem to understand supply and demand curves in a vacuum (Microeconomics 101) so it's not like they read Sowell either.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Libertarians don't read. They think books and articles are something you post links to instead of having an argument.

right to bear karma
Feb 20, 2001

There's a Dr. Fist here to see you.

Panfilo posted:

Realistically, how many people go from socialist to libertarian vs the other way around during and after college? What college socialists are going to read Thomas Sowell and think 'oh! That changes everything!' (aside from that Ancap who got beat up by Greek anarchists or something).

Sowell and Hoppe plus one dude I've personally met (who, frankly, seems like he's on his way back left). That's the only people of whom I am aware. Gary Chartier and Charles W. Johnson are libertarian-adjacent theorists who also purportedly came from farther left, but it is a big stretch to include them. That meme is wishful thinking.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

There is the weird pipeline of UK politics weirdos who went trot to far right but I think there is a different mechanism involved there.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Is pedophilia a mechanism?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yes but american libertarians are possibly the only group in which it is more concentrated than british politicians so it is not the one I had in mind.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

College is the age at which a lot of people fall into stronger ideologies because they're learning a lot about the world for the very first time, and taking a lot of it on just good faith because it's not like a kid learning about the world for the first time will be able to be very critical and informed about things.

As opposed to how people later in life fall into ideologies more because they just confirm their preconceptions and won't think critically because they're old and tired.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

SlothfulCobra posted:

College is the age at which a lot of people fall into stronger ideologies because they're learning a lot about the world for the very first time, and taking a lot of it on just good faith because it's not like a kid learning about the world for the first time will be able to be very critical and informed about things.

I was a different case because I want to the big residential university much later in life than most and so was more mature, so I'm a bad example. I had two friends from university of a more traditional age who came from ultra-religious backgrounds and they went totally opposite directions:

One was a girl who was like a little sister to me who totally rebelled against her humourless, rural, ultra-Christian family and got into a lot of things of which they would have utterly disapproved such as drinking, drugs, pre-marital sex (occasionally with other women) and so on. I don't think that she was a 'true believer', though, and as soon as she was out from under that household she could finally live a little, though she may have gone too far sometimes. She reminds me of an anecdote someone told me about how the children of pastors/reverends etc tend to rebel a lot because of that suffocating environment. Makes you wonder if the Catholics were right in telling priests and nuns not to have children.

The other was a guy who I don't want to slag him off too badly because he was very good to me, but my suite-mate (room next to mine and we shared a bathroom) from my last year of uni was similar, but I think that he very much bought into that ideology even though he didn't come from an oppressive traditionalist household. Unusually, he came from a decidedly upper-middle class (for whatever that means these days) family where his parents were both doctors. Being at uni and away from home didn't loosen him up much. I know for a fact that one of his girlfriends broke up with him because he refused to have a sexually active relationship, and basically as soon as he left university he married (far, far too young) another girl from his church and started having children in his early 20s before he'd even finished his education. He basically left the church, had to go back into the real world for a bit, then ran right back to church as soon as he could.

I think about those two a lot because of the similar circumstances but totally different outcomes.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1550658282527854597?t=AU4JdSDCGArIjxrbcRwhNQ&s=19

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is this about that pink sauce made from mayonnaise that's being shipped un-refrigerated that giving people food poisoning?

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021


I'm pretty sure that chart reads more like, "The more basic a need, the more likely we are to get gouged the gently caress to death over it."

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Is "average hourly wages becoming more expensive" the most cursed way to describe wage increases?

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Cars are more regulated than college tuition and hospital/nursing/medical care services.

Food is kinda regulated at about the same rate as TVs, toys, and cell phones in that if it has a danger of killing people it'll be stopped.

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
it's not the only stupid thing in that post but that is specifically not how subsidies work

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