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Mr. Fortitude posted:Pretty sure they said something similar with the remaster of Maiden of Black Water. I can see them bringing the Wii remake of 2 to modern systems at least and... much like Metal Gear Solid 3, there exists modern assets that could be used for a remake of 1, which have only featured in a pachislot of all things. So yeah. At this point I'll just be glad if we get modern ports of 1-3
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Sakurazuka posted:At this point I'll just be glad if we get modern ports of 1-3 Big same
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mysterious frankie posted:This is so weird. I'm in chapter 9 and have never heard Isaac bitch like a dad when he runs out of ammo or stomps a bunch on a corpse. Vermain posted:i believe the ammo swearing only occurs if you run out of all ammo for every weapon, and the stomp swearing requires something like 5-6+ simultaneous stomps to trigger Lol, I just went back and stomped around a bunch and it's pretty great. https://i.imgur.com/uU0HLUt.mp4 I think there are probably some quick gently caress!s that I missed among the stomps but I never heard a full sentence like that in my playthrough, I had to stomp around vaporizing zombie limbs for like 30 seconds to get that.
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Dead Space 2 is special in a way it rarely gets credit for. Don't get me wrong I know it's almost universally considered a good game but imo it's unique in how good it was and also a lot of what makes the remake so good is that it feels more like Dead Space 2 than Dead Space 1 to play. Not that I'm saying DS2 is perfect just real good.
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veni veni veni posted:Dead Space 2 is special in a way it rarely gets credit for. Don't get me wrong I know it's almost universally considered a good game but imo it's unique in how good it was and also a lot of what makes the remake so good is that it feels more like Dead Space 2 than Dead Space 1 to play. Eh I disagree!!! DS2 is perfect
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veni veni veni posted:Also about to finally wrap up Callisto Protocol and this game really does truly loving suck. What a shame. What's so bad about it? I'm keen to play but it seems to get more hate here than general reviews.
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veni veni veni posted:Also about to finally wrap up Callisto Protocol and this game really does truly loving suck. What a shame. Sure the final boss will turn things around
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WattsvilleBlues posted:What's so bad about it? I'm keen to play but it seems to get more hate here than general reviews. It doesn't precisely feel finished, or like a fully-baked idea. The combat's a repetitive Punch-Out minigame that falls apart instantly if and when there are multiple enemies in an area, the story's fairly threadbare, the controls seem imprecise/wonky, and the general atmosphere's not really up to the challenge of scaring the player. TCP also does the Fallout 3 thing where it appears to have shuffled its actual ending off to the DLC.
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Cat-shaped Witch posted:That's dire It's crazy how poorly Fatal Frame sold originally. I don't know a lot of horror fans who aren't fans of at least the first two games, but none of them actually moved units. It's actually sort of strange that Koei Tecmo committed to going five games deep on the franchise. https://nintendoeverything.com/image-japanese-fatal-frame-sales-comparison/ A couple of sources are saying that the Maiden of Black Water re-release sold nearly 340,000 copies, which means it's handily outsold every individual game in the series to date. I'd imagine that at least a rerelease of the original 3 games should be a lock.
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one thing that playing DSR hammered home for me is how unimaginative the art design of TCP is, which i think is a significant factor in it failing to create a proper atmosphere for horror. the ishimura is a dark, smoke-filled nightmare submarine, filigreed with organic ribbing and colored in earth tones that make the whole ship seem properly dead, even before the actual spectre of death visited it. it's just a goddamn loving creepy place to be TCP's entire aesthetic presentation is just this generic-rear end space prison with a lot of anonymous concrete corridors, miscellaneous piping sticking out of the walls, and industrial meatgrinders that manage to make even less sense than the RCPD offices having locks themed after playing card suites. it looks like every sci-fi environment you've ever seen in your life, but with volumetric lighting and occasional totally underwhelming flesh moss which you've also likely seen in sci-fi before. i really wish they'd leaned more into the fact that callisto is a horrible ice planet and made the biting cold the primary terror throughout all its sections, because that could easily punch up an otherwise mediocre setting for me
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IMO if you can get Callisto on sale it's worth a buy. I had fun with it despite the obvious flaws that have been mentioned to death. IMO it's not a bad game, just a half-baked one that leans towards mediocre. For my two cents on the multiple enemy thing: it's only an issue early when you don't have a gun imo, once you have the gun and can chain shot or stun dudes before engaging another it's really not an issue. Melee becomes more of an ammo saving move or last resort. Wanderer posted:It doesn't precisely feel finished, or like a fully-baked idea. The combat's a repetitive Punch-Out minigame that falls apart instantly if and when there are multiple enemies in an area, the story's fairly threadbare, the controls seem imprecise/wonky, and the general atmosphere's not really up to the challenge of scaring the player. There has been a patch that makes enemies way less aggressive if there are multiple around, and gives you iframes when recovering from hitting an enemy or finishing a dodge. A number of other gameplay issues were tweaked as well, two head only 1 shots on maximum security, and the final boss got tweaked apparently. Not saying it makes the game perfect, but the changes that happened certainly sound liked it addressed a chunk of issues.
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Wanderer posted:It's crazy how poorly Fatal Frame sold originally. I don't know a lot of horror fans who aren't fans of at least the first two games, but none of them actually moved units. It's actually sort of strange that Koei Tecmo committed to going five games deep on the franchise. I'm glad Maiden sold so well! Makes me hopeful
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I waver constantly between not wanting to give it a hard time and wanting to dissect all of it's bad game design. At the end of the day if you are way into sci fi horror it looks pretty as hell and can be ok sometimes. The VA is good and the story is meh but passable. You probably won't hate that you played it. It's not bad enough that I'm cursing myself for paying $40 for it. My general demeanor is somewhere between blue and yellow here  But the combat and enemies are repetitive and restrictive, it also falls apart if there are multiple enemies (there are constantly multiple enemies) the environments look great but aren't very interesting and I never really know where I am or know why I'm doing anything, the guns are dull as poo poo and indistinguishable from one another, it probably deserves a Guinness record for most "crawling through a crack" segments in any video game, the boss fights suck... the game also just totally prioritizes being cinematic over being fun, it's constantly ripping control away from you and letting the camera do it's own thing or killing your ability to run so the game can look snazzier. It's especially offensive if you just played Dead Space because that game is a playground of fun things to interact with and always prioritizes being fun over anything else. It's crazy because it feels like they just tried to make dead space with the numbers filed off but forgot what they did to make the game enjoyable to play the first time. Ultimately it feels like the game hates the player and not in a fun challenging way. it's just frequently annoying, restricting and dull. That said. its gross sci-fi gore horror poo poo with good graphics, so I'm not going to not play it 
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TCP feels like the kind of good first effort you used to expect out of brand new studios that were still finding their footing and wanted to put something that was kind of generically safe to get their feet wet and have their name out there, except it costs $70 to buy and $160 million to make maybe striking distance will survive it but it's gonna be a financial bath no matter how you slice it
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I wonder if it was going to be all melee combat at one point, the guns are such an afterthought. Five whole weapons including two different pistols and two different shotguns 
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I didn't know Fatal Frame sold so little as a franchise. Good games.
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Disposable Scud posted:I didn't know Fatal Frame sold so little as a franchise. Good games. It's so weird. Like Wanderer kind of said you can't really find a horror game fan of a certain age that hasn't played and liked it. Then again I know I only played the first from Blockbuster so maybe rentals were the majority of that? They do 'lingering dread' so freaking well, the first three especially
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Vermain posted:TCP feels like the kind of good first effort you used to expect out of brand new studios that were still finding their footing and wanted to put something that was kind of generically safe to get their feet wet and have their name out there, except it costs $70 to buy and $160 million to make I can't help but think it would have been better received if it were like half that price. 30-40bux is what I'd pay for a sub-10 hour linear experience with a couple original ideas that also doesn't look like crap.
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I think fatal frame didn’t sell well because they’re just too goddamn scary. Too spooked to buy the game
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CharlestonJew posted:I think fatal frame didn’t sell well because they’re just too goddamn scary. Too spooked to buy the game 
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I think the idea of a camera that defeats ghosts just sounded ridiculous to a lot of westerners because we don't really have a strong background in that kind of thing. I mean in a lot of eastern cultures ghost are just a thing that can happen and there are specific ways to get rid of them. I assume the idea of cameras stealing your soul is where the camera came from which is more universal, but still. In the West ghosts are a vague idea of something evil that you have to either have the Church take care of or run away from. After all, it's extremely heretical to think that ghosts are evem real under Christian theology.
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Yeah I think the core idea of “you take pictures of ghosts” sounded lame on paper to western audiences, and wasn’t helped by the admittedly lame title of Fatal Frame. Combine that with an already pretty niche genre of games, and it’s no surprise it largely flew under the radar of the wider gaming world. It never hit the word of mouth that say, Silent Hill did.
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CharlestonJew posted:I think fatal frame didn’t sell well because they’re just too goddamn scary. Too spooked to buy the game Yeah, the director of the original game has said in interviews that people have told him exactly that. quote:—Hmm... Hearing that makes it sound like getting the amount of unpleasantness right with horror is difficult, too. The dilemma that horror faces in terms of business is that it's not going to sell well if it's too scary. The Fatal Frame/Zero project itself is also reportedly haunted: http://fftranslations.atspace.co.uk/ff3/ff3column6.html#gsc.tab=0
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I'm glad Maiden of Black Water's rerelease was a modest success for them. Just kinda a shame it's the weakest game in the series. I agree, but it was all worth it to get 4 localized and it was also nice to revisit it on better hardware. Just give me all the fatal frame.
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CuddleCryptid posted:I think the idea of a camera that defeats ghosts just sounded ridiculous to a lot of westerners because we don't really have a strong background in that kind of thing. I loved this idea when it was in Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon! Wanderer posted:Yeah, the director of the original game has said in interviews that people have told him exactly that. There's some powerful mental gymnastics happening here. lol
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I find thats what makes Japanese horror so effective, at least for me. Like, western media frequently has a reason for a ghost, maybe it latched onto the trauma in your past, or you ignored the warnings given by the locals, or you defiled a location, or even bought a property that had murders in it, whatever. I find the scariest Japanese tales are the ones where, like, you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and now a ghost is going to tear you apart, or drag you to a dark world filled with horrors, or follow you home and be there waiting for you in the dark. Why? Because you walked down an alley that you've walked down dozens of times, literally any alley, or just happened to be in a bathroom stall, or glimpsed something in a window across the street.
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Morpheus posted:I find thats what makes Japanese horror so effective, at least for me. Like, western media frequently has a reason for a ghost, maybe it latched onto the trauma in your past, or you ignored the warnings given by the locals, or you defiled a location, or even bought a property that had murders in it, whatever. Imo that's why a lot more of the recent big horror hits, at least in movies, have been based around the Fae in some way or another. There is a reason for spooks happening, sometimes it's even a logical one, but it's based on a system so far outside of your understanding that most of the time it appears random. You just go along your merry way until you put your hand on a tree to rest which turns out to be the front door of some Sidhe rear end in a top hat who is not happy to have been interrupted. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1628055908667236354?t=wW50yLB26LO6WIjddFUl5Q&s=19 Blumhouse is hit or miss but when they hit they hit so net gain for horror games? TheWorldsaStage fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Feb 21, 2023 |
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TheWorldsaStage posted:https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1628055908667236354?t=wW50yLB26LO6WIjddFUl5Q&s=19 Well, they're only promising "horror-themed games", so we'll have to see what that entails.
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