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Ainsley McTree posted:Well that's why you put a lime in it. That doesn't sound comfortable
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Ainsley McTree posted:Well that's why you put a lime in it. Yep. The Brits having access to fresh lime was a big game changer. It's funny, though; later in the 19th century they started storing ut in some new way that leeched all the vitamin C out of it, but they didn't notice because voyages were so much shorter on steamships. That's why all those early arctic expeditions are wracked with scurvy: they had lime, just useless lime. Scurvy is crazy because they didn't fully understand it until pretty recently, but for a decent part of the age of sail it wasn't a big problem. They knew citrus staved it off, but they didn't understand why.
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I haven't used proper proof rum, but I've made authentic grog from the original Royal Navy recipe with Pusser's Blue Label (purportedly the same rum blend, albeit at 40% ABV, though they sell the original proof as Black Label). It tastes like exactly what it is: watered down rum with a bit of lime. Refreshing after a long day at work in the sun, but as a drink it's incredibly boring.
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Dec 31, 2017 18:33
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HEY GUNS posted:it was hard, they had no blenders I heard they had to mix their drinks up in a sock and bang it against the wall
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Oh boy, alcohol! The Red Army actually had quite complex alcohol rules. Vodka was largely given only to front line troops in direct contact with the enemy. Also on the Transcaucasian Front, you could substitute a vodka ration with twice as much "fortified wine" and three times as much "table wine".
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FishFood posted:later in the 19th century they started storing ut in some new way that leeched all the vitamin C out of it
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FishFood posted:Fun fact, if you have a daquiri with a navy proof rum you're effectively drinking the same thing the british navy drank as grog. rum, lime, sugar (sailors might not have always had sugar and definitely didn't have ice). Navy-proof is defined as 57.5% abv, and that used to be the benchmark for 100 proof. At some point the scale was changed so that 100 proof equalled 50% abv. Not changed . British proof is as you describe and just isn't used anymore thanks to EU harmonisation. American proof has always been 100 equals 50% abv because America hates other countries' standards I guess?
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Power Khan posted:He left out the scurvy and sodomy. Fun fact: I've heard the phrase "rum, sodomy and the lash" before and I knew it was Churchill that said it, but until recently I wasn't aware of the context. That context was Churchill trying to push through reform of the Navy, and when confronted with an obnoxious admiral complaining that he was "destroying the grand traditions of the Royal Navy," Churchill's reply was "And what are those traditions? Rum, sodomy, and the lash. Good day, sir."
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Ainsley McTree posted:I heard they had to mix their drinks up in a sock and bang it against the wall You joke, but this is quite close to how fermented milk drinks like kumis are made in Central Asia: you hang the fermenting mixture in a bag by your doorway and everyone passing by gives it a good punch to keep it mixed up.
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Dec 31, 2017 19:06
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thatbastardken posted:my granddad got court-martialed for drunkenness in the face of the enemy on dday +3 after stumbling on a cellar full of Calvados. I did the Dday/Overlord tour while I was in Normandy last year and from what the tour guide told us, what your granddad did was very common. I can’t blame him either. Calvados is good poo poo but goddamn it will get you drunk quick.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Happy New Year from Kuala Lumpur, Milhist goons! New year’s challenge: is there anything notable that happened in the Klang Valley / Kuala Lumpur region ever from a military perspective (and no, Merdeka and anything from the Emergency don’t count). There was the Klang War in the 1860s-70s. Was kind of interesting. Weak sultan, rival Malay chiefs, disinherited guy trying to claim the Sultanate, Chinese secret societies, tin mining.
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FishFood posted:Yep. The Brits having access to fresh lime was a big game changer. It's funny, though; later in the 19th century they started storing ut in some new way that leeched all the vitamin C out of it, but they didn't notice because voyages were so much shorter on steamships. That's why all those early arctic expeditions are wracked with scurvy: they had lime, just useless lime. Scurvy is crazy because they didn't fully understand it until pretty recently, but for a decent part of the age of sail it wasn't a big problem. They knew citrus staved it off, but they didn't understand why. They started with lemons, which have much more vitamin C before they switched to limes. Something about limes being more convenient to source from within the empire. More confusingly, citrus fruits aren't even the only sources of vitamin C, it's found in a whole range of foods in ample amounts to prevent scurvy, but it's destroyed by most preservation methods, so it's normally just in fresh foods. Arctic explorers could stave off scurvy by catching fresh seal, provided they weren't being stubborn about eating their own canned provisions. Conversely, you can get scurvy deep inland if all you eat is preserved stuff. Pasteurization's great for preventing other diseases, but it destroys vitamin C. When the British made their fancy multi-disease-resistance cocktail, the lime juice was basically worthless for preventing scurvy, but nobody noticed that they un-found the cure for the disease because travel times were short enough that sailors could get fresh food anyways.
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I'm shocked by how you guys forget the good barrel of Sauerkraut.
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Lemons straight up have twice as much Vitamin C, whoops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon#Nutritional_value_and_phytochemicals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_(fruit)#Nutrition_and_research The Lützen mass grave is mentioned itt every now and then and they apparently straight up excavated the entire thing in on (well, two) pieces - that's the metal bit in the middle apparently.  That's p stark
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Power Khan posted:I'm shocked by how you guys forget the good barrel of Sauerkraut. Man that chef in the galley had the worst luck in the Royal Navy when he had to dish that out.
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Sauerkraut is awesome Also so is sodomy and rum, gently caress Churchill
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Fangz posted:Sauerkraut is awesome Yeah but I imagine 18th century seamen and landsmen from England to be a tough crowd to convince.
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You mean the fine sense of taste of the 18th century commoner from England were offended by it?
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Ainsley McTree posted:I heard they had to mix their drinks up in a sock and bang it against the wall Sock was a rank, right
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aphid_licker posted:That's p stark http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/rare-discovery-mass-grave-from-thirty-years-war-found-a-546079.html
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Did your armies bury their own after a battle, or are peasant mobs stripping and burying them?
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Power Khan posted:You mean the fine sense of taste of the 18th century commoner from England were offended by it? Almost certainly, because sauerkraut tastes like something.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Almost certainly, because sauerkraut tastes like something. English and German food are historically pretty similar actually...prestige cuisine is French, local stuff is meat based, not seasoned/sauced heavily, extra flavour comes more from spicy condiments on the side (try some Colmans mustard if you think English food is traditionally completely bland).
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SeanBeansShako posted:Yeah but I imagine 18th century seamen and landsmen from England to be a tough crowd to convince. Captain Cook mentioned this difficulty, and claimed that he overcame it by serving it as a delicacy to the officers for a while. Re grog, IIRC the often made with molasses rather than sugar.
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The Lone Badger posted:Captain Cook mentioned this difficulty, and claimed that he overcame it by serving it as a delicacy to the officers for a while. Ah the Lobster effect.
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Somebody mentioned their grandfather being courtmartialed for being drunk in Europe during WWII. Man, throughout the many books I’ve read about the Allied expeditionary force in Europe, this seems to be a common theme. It sounds like Ronald Spiers (of BoB fame) really did shoot one of his men for being drunk on D-Day for example, and the stories just go and and on. I always picture some kid from Nebraska or Idaho, grew up on a farm maybe, and maybe drank beer one time in his life. Then he comes to France after the channel invasion and every house in every town has cognac and wine and brandy and and and...
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MrMojok posted:I always picture some kid from Nebraska or Idaho, grew up on a farm maybe, and maybe drank beer one time in his life. Then he comes to France after the channel invasion and every house in every town has cognac and wine and brandy and and and... I mean think of college freshmen at a kegger. Except with guns and the alcohol is free so no one's watering down the punch. Teenagers are gonna be teenagers.
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OK, I'm drinking and - it saddens me that blimp and airship crews didn't have their own booze somebody please make a suggestion
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feedmegin posted:English and German food are historically pretty similar actually...prestige cuisine is French, local stuff is meat based, not seasoned/sauced heavily, extra flavour comes more from spicy condiments on the side (try some Colmans mustard if you think English food is traditionally completely bland). Tewkesbury mustard was such a staple of 16th and 17th century English kitchens that it earned a reference by Shakespeare in Henry IV Part 2.
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Also, slightly more useful post: How the British lost their scurvy treatment
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MrMojok posted:Somebody mentioned their grandfather being courtmartialed for being drunk in Europe during WWII. I don't want to start grandfather chat again, but dealing with this is what one of my grandfathers did during WW2 - he'd been working on his law degree at the time, so he spent the war working at a JAG office dealing with American soldiers who'd hosed up badly enough to be sent home for punishment. I've seen his diary, and drat if it isn't filled with "New truckload of fuckups today fresh from the boat. Eight rapists, four murderers, a looter, and repeatedly getting into drunken brawls with non-American troops to the point of punching out a British major."
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Cythereal posted:... to the point of punching out a British major." This part is understandable at least. __________________________________ Today's installment jumps straight from #12 to #14, I have no idea where #13 went  COMBAT DOPE SHEET #14 The Philippines (continued)  COMBAT posted:During the past few weeks, the Prowling Panther of the Philippine Seas has stalked and hunted all the sea lanes of the islands. Hiding in sheltered coves by day and streaking out for the kill at night. OLD TINSMAN has taken on all comers, whether they be lighthouses or mail (boxes). By night ruthless killers of the deep – by day frolicking buccaneers on the beaches of the Philippines. These high sped assignments have taken the TINSMAN into many nooks and crannies of the fascinating Philippines, and have demonstrated how war has decimated the once-beautiful cities of the islands. City by city, COMBAT will take you around again on the milk run:
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Epicurius posted:There was the Klang War in the 1860s-70s. Was kind of interesting. Weak sultan, rival Malay chiefs, disinherited guy trying to claim the Sultanate, Chinese secret societies, tin mining. Thank you! That was cool to read about.
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:This part is understandable at least. Nice to see that disdain for majors is cross cultural
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PittTheElder posted:Did your armies bury their own after a battle, or are peasant mobs stripping and burying them?
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Their legionnaire ancestors scoff at these worthless effete fools
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feedmegin posted:Umm who did Wellington conquer I'm working with what I've got, like how the Caesar salad isn't named after Julius Caesar.
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Fangz posted:Sauerkraut is awesome
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speaking of military booze rations, the shooters at mass killings during the Holocaust would usually be extremely liquored up, both during and for a couple of days after the action. It got to the point where it was part of the planning for the bigger events - source up a bunch of booze and make sure the guys involved in the killing didn't have any work scheduled for the next few days. Pretty sure Browning talks about it at length in Ordinary Men.
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:Today's installment jumps straight from #12 to #14, I have no idea where #13 went
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