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Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



Carbon dioxide posted:

Back when I was a kid, Kirby was white and didn't have any abilities yet. :colbert: Well, except for some temporary ones gained by eating food items.

Go back to sleep Grandpa, this isn't your generation anymore.

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EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Carbon dioxide posted:

Back when I was a kid, Kirby was white and didn't have any abilities yet. :colbert: Well, except for some temporary ones gained by eating food items.

You and me both, pal. I don't want to spoil it, but I hope Medibot shows off a very special something in one of the other game modes. After twenty years, it's finally made a reappearance in Kirby.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
Having only played Kirby's Dreamland and being wary of all this new-fangled ability-copying hubbub, i'm guessing it's the Mint?

(Don't answer, of course)

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer

HenryEx posted:

Having only played Kirby's Dreamland and being wary of all this new-fangled ability-copying hubbub, i'm guessing it's the Mint?

(Don't answer, of course)

Maybe it's the blimp!

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

HenryEx posted:

Having only played Kirby's Dreamland and being wary of all this new-fangled ability-copying hubbub, i'm guessing it's the Mint?

(Don't answer, of course)

I expect Curry.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

There were four status-altering items in the original Kirby's Dreamland. The spicy curry, which made you spit fireballs. That's become the Fire ability. The one-time use Mike, if you spat it out, all enemies on screen died, It became the Mike ability. The invincibility candy which still exists.

And the final one was the Mint Leaf (which apparently was a Sweet Potato in Japan) which forced you into puffed-up flying mode and made you produce air puffs constantly. I don't think there's ever been any ability replicating the Mint Leaf. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Dec 4, 2014

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Carbon dioxide posted:

And the final one was the Mint Leaf (which apparently was a Sweet Potato in Japan) which forced you into puffed-up flying mode and made you produce air puffs constantly. I don't think there's ever been any ability replicating the Mint Leaf. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's basically similar to the Dream Wand, or any of the other abilities given to Kirby whenever the game turns into a scrolling shmup. But so far as I know it's never been imitated as a non-plot ability, no.

George
Nov 27, 2004

No love for your made-up things.

Carbon dioxide posted:

Back when I was a kid, Kirby was white and didn't have any abilities yet. :colbert: Well, except for some temporary ones gained by eating food items.

Yeah, same. I played the poo poo out of Dreamland, and actually kind of don't like all the abilities. The old-school gameplay was much more interesting than the new-fangled "regretting that ability switch" stuff.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Mehuyael posted:

Maybe it's the blimp!

Blimp is in Kirby Super Star Ultra's revenge of the king mode :v:

Also I've finished the game and know just about everything Kirby and I'm not even sure what he means so EH v:v:v

The Nightstalker
Apr 3, 2010
Speaking of Kirby Super Star, I wish HAL would bring back Mirror eventually. :saddowns:

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

The Nightstalker posted:

Speaking of Kirby Super Star, I wish HAL would bring back Mirror eventually. :saddowns:
Am I the only one that wasn't a huge fan of Mirror? I liked the ability to not take damage when blocking as well the projectile attack's ability to deflect attacks, but the dash attack is kinda hard to use against bosses without taking damage once in a while.

Maybe the problem is that HAL hasn't found a way to give it a hat that isn't a palette-swapped jester hat. We can all dream. Plus, it's not like changing ability hats is unprecedented- they changed the hat for Bomb. I think it'd be cool to see Mirror's new tricks.

Carbon dioxide posted:

Back when I was a kid, Kirby was white and didn't have any abilities yet. :colbert: Well, except for some temporary ones gained by eating food items.
I liked the commercial for Kirby's Dream Land where he sucks up that Elvis impersonator. At least, I think that's what it was.

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Y-Hat posted:

Maybe the problem is that HAL hasn't found a way to give it a hat that isn't a palette-swapped jester hat.

They could just give Kirby Simirror's hat, if that's the case.

azren
Feb 14, 2011


medibot posted:

Spear strangely had its charged throw removed, which was one of its strongest points in Return to Dream Land.

I'm guessing that's because it basically got transferred to the Archer power.

ZOOP MASTER 50 CAL
Apr 14, 2004

baby hipster pope
The next video is here! Things are getting way more dangerous for Kirby! Please do your best to save Dedede, but also stay safe. We care about you a lot, Kirby.
Level 4 - Wild World

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Endless Explosions is a scary land and I agree that Kirby needs to relax before venturing there.

Also I actually really love fighting bosses without any power. I always make it a point to fight the final boss of Kirby games without a power if possible.

majormonotone
Jan 25, 2013

Coily Rattler is a very fun boss, even if their visual design isn't as good as Paintra's.

Medibot I want to see you do every boss with Circus at some point.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
That was the first repeat keychain you got in the LP, wasn't it?

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012


In terms of bosses I felt Coily rattler was the only one off in Triple deluxe, don't get me wrong, the fights good, but I felt design wise he'd better be suited in a Donkey kong game, Same thing with Acro and the Yeti thing from Returns to dreamland.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Speaking of the original Kirby not having ability's. I challenge Medibot to beat the final boss with out using any ability's.

ZOOP MASTER 50 CAL
Apr 14, 2004

baby hipster pope

Chimera-gui posted:

That was the first repeat keychain you got in the LP, wasn't it?

Yes, it was. Silver keychains are, as far as I know, completely random, with any given silver keychain having an equal chance of appearing. This can make finding all of them somewhat time-consuming.

Also, challenges accepted, but they will be handled after completion of the story. I'll add a challenge-tracker to the OP so I can't pretend like I forgot when I find out one of them is super hard.

Bendigeidfran
Dec 17, 2013

Wait a minute...
Never trust a wizard. Especially a ghost wizard.

Valgaav
Feb 21, 2012
Level names so far spell out FLOWE. I'm guessing the fifth level starts with R.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
I just noticed that Nintendo/HAL has been posting "behind the scenes" comments on the Triple Deluxe Miiverse page since the game came out, and there's a ton of different comments from various staff members:

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073268508063/14866558073268514503

PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 8, 2014

Davinci
Feb 21, 2013

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

I just noticed that Nintendo/HAL has been posting "behind the scenes" comments on the Triple Deluxe Miiverse page since the game came out, and there's a ton of different comments from various staff members:

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/titles/14866558073268508063/14866558073268514503

These DO contain spoilers, so be careful y'all.

Highwang
Nov 7, 2013

No Pineapple?
No Thank You!
Every time medibot says Cobra house I think of the Cobra Kais from Karate Kid. Shame Kirby can't sweep the leg.

On another note, I'm actually surprised at how well this game uses the 3ds' gimmicks. Simplicity is best for things like the gyroscope and the 3d functions.

PAMaster
Mar 2, 2013

Tiger Bard Apprentice
I am pretty certain that the cute little cannon level at about 32:40 is referencing Kirby's Block Ball? I played way too much of that game as a kid and the design of that particular back'n'forth room is really really similar.

Truly this beanstalk has risen up some wondrous lands. Explosions on a beanstalk? How frightening.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
So Medibot mentioned sand in video games generally being pretty unpleasant. I would say he sort of has a point, because while sand levels are rarely anywhere near as bad as ice levels, they tend to be fans of hitting you pretty hard.

But I started thinking about this, and I'm wondering, is there any stage theme in video games that's routinely good, like the counter to the Ice World always being crap? I'd think the best I can present is the 'green fields and/or forest' levels, which tend to be pretty inoffensive. And while I personally haven't met a machine/factory-based stage that I didn't like, that might be personal bias.

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."
When the level is made of dessert, good things tend to happen. Medibot-themed example: that one level in Sonic Colors.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Casino/themepark levels. Sonic, Mario 3D World, Waluigi Pinball, those ones in Wario Shake...

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Lava levels can be tough but on the whole they tend to be pretty... er... cool. Which bodes well for Endless Explosions.

Good job medibot has plenty of experience with those.

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Dec 8, 2014

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.
Any late-80s/early-90s game that went full Giger for a stage or two was guaranteed to be fun.

Morroque
Mar 6, 2013

Cleretic posted:

So Medibot mentioned sand in video games generally being pretty unpleasant. I would say he sort of has a point, because while sand levels are rarely anywhere near as bad as ice levels, they tend to be fans of hitting you pretty hard.

But I started thinking about this, and I'm wondering, is there any stage theme in video games that's routinely good, like the counter to the Ice World always being crap? I'd think the best I can present is the 'green fields and/or forest' levels, which tend to be pretty inoffensive. And while I personally haven't met a machine/factory-based stage that I didn't like, that might be personal bias.

While ice levels are usually displeasing due to their commonly reduced friction, the reads for sand levels are different depending on the genre or game style. In a platformer like Kirby's Dreamland 3, I disliked World 3 for sand that reduced Kirby's running speed, which was terrible given how pacing-dependent the overall game was. Elsewhere in a lot of RPGs, desert maps tend to be infinitely looping on multiple axises, which lends to its own problems. In Zelda in particular, I always disliked sand for its excuse of infinitely-spawning Leevers. Every sand level is unique in what makes it terrible. Perhaps that's part of the appeal...

As far as good levels go, Kirby has set the standard pretty well with the Bubbly Clouds archtype. I've always found those kinds of levels enjoyable -- even that one time Zelda did it on the GBA with Cloud Tops and the Palace of Winds, which was probably my favourite level in any one Zelda game. Beach levels are also pretty interesting, or at least the ones which mix elements of water and land equally throughout.

Y-Hat posted:

Maybe the problem is that HAL hasn't found a way to give it a hat that isn't a palette-swapped jester hat. We can all dream. Plus, it's not like changing ability hats is unprecedented- they changed the hat for Bomb. I think it'd be cool to see Mirror's new tricks.

More likely the one thing preventing Mirror from happening again is the way damage is calculated within the system. Objects and projectiles need to be made in a very specific way in order for their attacks to be reflected. But, even if that were presupposed, my guess is Mirror still wouldn't be that useful; as in Super Star, Mirror was only made available in the levels where the enemies used a lot of projectile attacks, or used melee attacks that the engine interpreted as projectiles. The enemies we've seen so far in Triple Deluxe are more likely to attempt more regular melee attacks, or to just crash into you. Mirror would be quite weak in these circumstances.

D_W
Nov 12, 2013

"Endless Explosions" has to be the best name for a world or zone in a video game.

Morroque posted:

More likely the one thing preventing Mirror from happening again is the way damage is calculated within the system. Objects and projectiles need to be made in a very specific way in order for their attacks to be reflected. But, even if that were presupposed, my guess is Mirror still wouldn't be that useful; as in Super Star, Mirror was only made available in the levels where the enemies used a lot of projectile attacks, or used melee attacks that the engine interpreted as projectiles. The enemies we've seen so far in Triple Deluxe are more likely to attempt more regular melee attacks, or to just crash into you. Mirror would be quite weak in these circumstances.
I think it also has something to do with how the basic move set of Mirror was fairly similar to Beam. They cover a lot of the same space in their basic attack, but Beam has all the attacks. Mirror is only unique for it's great dash and guard if I remember correctly. Though I really need to go back and play through SuperStar again.
I've been watching Medibot's other Kirby LPs and each one is convincing me more that I should do that. (also how loving charming is Epic Yarn? It's impossible for me to watch that game without having a constant grin since it's so adorable. Yarn Kirby should have been a character in the new Smash.)

D_W fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 8, 2014

Cheez
Apr 29, 2013

Someone doesn't like a shitty gimmick I like?

:siren:
TIME FOR ME TO WHINE ABOUT IT!
:siren:

Morroque posted:

More likely the one thing preventing Mirror from happening again is the way damage is calculated within the system. Objects and projectiles need to be made in a very specific way in order for their attacks to be reflected. But, even if that were presupposed, my guess is Mirror still wouldn't be that useful; as in Super Star, Mirror was only made available in the levels where the enemies used a lot of projectile attacks, or used melee attacks that the engine interpreted as projectiles. The enemies we've seen so far in Triple Deluxe are more likely to attempt more regular melee attacks, or to just crash into you. Mirror would be quite weak in these circumstances.
You say that like mirror wasn't able to deal a lot of damage on its own.

The T
May 29, 2010

A sufficiently chaotic system is maximally fair.

Bruceski posted:

Casino/themepark levels. Sonic, Mario 3D World, Waluigi Pinball, those ones in Wario Shake...

Donkey Kong Country 2 proves this one wrong. ;D

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
Medibot LPs make me realize how much Kirby is encouraged and often required to be mean to cute, nearly-harmless things.

Bendigeidfran
Dec 17, 2013

Wait a minute...

Geostomp posted:

Medibot LPs make me realize how much Kirby is encouraged and often required to be mean to cute, nearly-harmless things.

What do you mean? Cappy just keeps losing his mushroom. Kirby would never be mean to him about it.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014

Highwang posted:

On another note, I'm actually surprised at how well this game uses the 3ds' gimmicks. Simplicity is best for things like the gyroscope and the 3d functions.

In addition to slamming things into the screen, including Kirby as I've mentioned before, the 3D is used to give objects being looked at head on depth. This makes the Drawcia fight easier as the real balls/spike-rods will gain dimension before the attack while the fake will stay flat.

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
Tilting the 3DS while trying to maintain the 3D never worked for me. Do they turn the 3D off in those rooms?

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ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Suspicious Dish posted:

Tilting the 3DS while trying to maintain the 3D never worked for me. Do they turn the 3D off in those rooms?

Yup.

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