Fog Tripper posted:

I love the pathetic fools who see this as a :masterstroke: almost as much as watching the actual liberal tears of the mellenials in the video.

OMGVBFLOL posted:

like there's hardly even any opinions there, that's modtly just a list of objectively bad poo poo we as a group demonstrably do, paired with requests to do it less often

like motherfucker if that hurt your feelings you might actually be a literal baby lol

a retard posted:

imo mtv is overcompensating for creating a lot of the "toxic masculinity" out there (beavis and butthead, headbangers ball, jackass)

AutumnDDP posted:

Great post, but you don't have to conform to the GBS standard of not capitalizing sentences when saying something cool and intelligent.

Unless that's just the way you roll, in which case keep going your own way man

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

who is being a crybsby

Cubone posted:

brakeless posted:

you're not wrong but I want to jump off this to say that terms like toxic masculinity shouldn't be in public discourse because social issues should be talked about in a language that everybody can understand

terms that need to be explained with several sentences before use don't communicate ideas effectively, they just become blank slates that people project their own meanings onto and then they turn into munitions
in the battle between two groups that both feel superior to the other that you talked about

Photex posted:

I've been driving my car unregistered and uninspected since august of 2015, being a white middle class male rules, stop trying to make me feel bad MTV

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

who is being a crybsby

brakeless posted:

you're not wrong but I want to jump off this to say that terms like toxic masculinity shouldn't be in public discourse because social issues should be talked about in a language that everybody can understand

terms that need to be explained with several sentences before use don't communicate ideas effectively, they just become blank slates that people project their own meanings onto and then they turn into munitions
in the battle between two groups that both feel superior to the other that you talked about

garfield hentai posted:

agree wholeheartedly, although at the very least "toxic masculinity" isn't an existing phrase. so many internet arguments about whether or not something is or even can be racist when one person thinks it means "racial prejudice" and the other has moved past such simple interpretations and realizes the TRUE definition refers exclusively to systematic big picture stuff and they just argue past each other for pages

Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:

does propping my leg up on my knee count as manspreading? I need an expert

jynn posted:

All the nerds mad at the OP for mocking something on the Internet, lol

garfield hentai posted:

on the topic of academia i learned in third grade that this makes you gay

Kraps posted:

did you even read the thead

Conch Shell Corp posted:

Frosted Flake posted:

"[BLANK] is a social construct" is a lot less compelling to people who are happy to conform to society's expectations. Somehow people still try to use it as a trump card.

DrPlump posted:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-doug-herzog-comedy-central-viacom-20161221-story.html

MTV CEO FIRED FOR RACISM!

Conch Shell Corp posted:

-Blackadder- posted:

Dumping on white people is being turned into such an eye-rollingly overused, Kardashian-level pop culture trend that it's going to have zero meaning when people actually need to do it.

Christ, hipsters ruin everything.

Typical Pubbie posted:

MTV in 2019:

Dear yt men, stop telling women, ESPECIALLY women of color, to report to the nearest breeding camp for mandatory insemination.

rotinaj posted:

I'm pretty sure this is exactly why Trump won.

Not the video, this thread.

-Blackadder- posted:

Dumping on white people is being turned into such an eye-rollingly overused, Kardashian-level pop culture trend that it's going to have zero meaning when people actually need to do it.

Christ, hipsters ruin everything.

Cubone posted:

toxic masculinity isn't laughing because a guy snorted wasabi. that poo poo's hilarious and even if it wasn't it's not something anybody would be seriously interested in reducing.
toxic masculinity is more like just, any insecure bullshit about how you're not a "real" man if you're not suppressing your emotional vulnerability and eager to resort to violence, even when you have work in the morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwikFMyx7M
Dave Grohl: masculine.
douchebag he's kicking out: toxic.

I get the sense people view that term as kind of an attack on masculinity, and that's... a weird way to frame it? because, that guy in the link, that was picking a fight at a concert? nobody loving likes that guy.
and that's all that toxic masculinity is, is a way to say gently caress that guy. a term for something we didn't have a term for. it's not meant to rule you, it's just a tool to draw a line around pointless destructive bullshit and say that's NOT what being a man is. that's some fuckface causing trouble because he thinks it makes him a man, and it doesn't- that's not what I am, that's not what my father and brothers are, and that's not what I want my sons to be.

watch beavis and butthead. work out. fish, and hunt. build poo poo. grow and maintain your facial hair. do your own household maintenance. be assertive. fulfill your civic responsibilities. make your paper. wash your hands with a nasty assed tub of borax. make a beer can pyramid. protect your loved ones. being masculine isn't the issue. the vast majority of masculine-coded behavior isn't toxic masculinity, because it isn't toxic. people will argue about that, because the particulars of sociological terminology are meant to be argued about and shift and change and fall in and out of use, because they're seeking long term academic consensus which only happens by arguing about it- but none of that really matters. the bottom line is just a tool that you can use, or, by all means, discard, however you see fit



... manspreading is some arbitrary bullshit though
like I get it sucks to sit next to somebody with no sense of personal space, and women are generally pressured to exhibit body language that emphasizes diminuitivity as part of a wider range of asymmetrical social expectations across gender lines and all that but this is just not a real battle
1) if it's an empty seat next to him, and nobody else is there to want to sit there, I can't imagine why that would be a problem. yet it's treated like it's the same as when they're practically leaning on you. why? t's not rude. it's not anything. they could be fully intending to move when somebody needs the space. why are you secretly photographing this?
2) why are you secretly photographing this? stop secretly photographing strangers on the train. I don't care if it's for your blog, I don't care that you blurred the faces, stop secretly photographing strangers. I would much rather be sitting in a train where somebody is taking up two seats while there is nobody there to sit in the other seat, than to be secretly photographed by a stranger. why would it be okay for you to do this?
but most of all
3) this is not a gendered phenomenon, just because somebody gendered it. when it came into social media prominence a few years ago, there was a response blog of women 'man'spreading on public transportation, because this is not a gendered phenomenon. thus even more people got to be secretly photographed by strangers.
doesn't the practice of tailoring a phenomenon to fit a predetermined narrative and dismissing contradictory evidence as exceptional or propagandistic seem familiar? in like a lovely way? almost as if it's the primary rhetorical method of most prejudices or something? we might as well be gendering liquor store robberies for all the good it does actually addressing the causes of the problem and moving toward fixing it.

it's like when we found out quinoa was destroying the food security of the equatorial south american countries it's grown in, and the people who already hated seeing a weird Q-word next to the rice-a-roni started going "see, these loving hipsters, with their fanny packs and ironic mustaches, they started eating this fad foodstuff because they want to pretend they know better than everybody else, but then the other foot drops! now everybody has to think I'm cool!"
and the hipsters went "why should I be ashamed to have moved to a healthier alternative to grain? I'm pumping money into their economy, for all you know this will improve their standard of living. at least I'm not some complacent, mcdonalds chugging-"
everybody forgetting that this was not an issue of first world dietary choices as reflective of lifestyle values.
nobody expects you to know everything about everything, but now we know this, and, if the problems seem genuine to you, and are worth more than you eating quinoa, then don't buy the loving quinoa! that was the only lesson, and nobody learned it. the people who were buying quinoa and the people snidely deriding the people buying quinoa both still think they won that battle. nobody wanted to talk about it as a real issue that needed to be addressed, it just became another reductive and utterly ineffectual round to fire in everybody's neverending war with their ideological opposites.

this loving seat thing came up like four goddamned years ago and people are still arguing the same stupid bullshit sniping passive-aggressive arguments that are entirely about how dumb and wrong the people they always don't agree with are, over a problem that everybody already hated. if we actually gave a poo poo I bet we could get a lot of metro companies to put in movable seat dividers, or at least signs reminding people to be mindful of other passengers. instead of nothing, which is what happened and what will always happen if we can't raise the loving discourse
nothing but stupid droning bullshit arguments and snide comments and dismissive jokes that don't do anything but reaffirm your own internal sense of superiority for not being whatever it is you already aren't, and those of us who can't milk a cowardly and pathetic dopamine rush out of that have to just sit here like a quadrapolegic mute parent watching their children fight their way into the inside of an active industrial cardboard bailer. smash smash
oh thank you 😘 sorry this one isn't as good

that is indeed how I roll- if you check my rap sheet you'll see I was probated for no caps posting when it was probatable and, like these posts, they actually did contain capital letters because I habitually capitalize I's, which I do because I'm the most important person in the world and I can do whatever I loving, loving, loving want

Fog Tripper posted:

Extensive research has allowed the compilation of a list of reasons which would make dumping on an entire race actually needed:

emoji posted:

Getting poo poo done throughout all of human history?

-Blackadder- posted:

Dumping on white people is being turned into such an eye-rollingly overused, Kardashian-level pop culture trend that it's going to have zero meaning when people actually need to do it.

Christ, hipsters ruin everything.