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Good Will Hrunting posted:Not even the one they beat 38-10 like a month ago? If they played Seattle at home, they'd deserve to be favored. But they'd have to go to Seattle, and the Seahawks are an entirely different team at home. Leon Einstein posted:The Cowboys can win by keeping the ball a long time with long and grindy running drives. Dak can't beat Rodgers in a shootout. Rodgers is better than Dak, but the Cowboys' offense is better than the Packers', the Cowboys defense is significantly better than the Packers' defense, the Cowboys' special teams are better, and the Cowboys are at home. The Cowboys already beat the Steelers in a shootout in Pittsburgh this year, and they're a better team than the Packers. If you think this is an easy game for the Packers, then I'll have whatever you've been drinking. Leon Einstein posted:You keep trying to convince people that the Packers are actually bad. Have you been watching football for the last couple of months? I don't think they're bad, I'm just not impressed by a team starting guys off the street in the secondary with a porous offensive line that rattled off a string of wins against the Lions x2, the Vikings, the Texans, the Eagles, and the Bears. The Seattle game was the only impressive win in the bunch and that had the benefit of an injured Earl Thomas and being a home game. TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Leon Einstein posted:The Cowboys can win by keeping the ball a long time with long and grindy running drives. Dak can't beat Rodgers in a shootout. This is exactly the gameplan the Seahawks are going to have to try. It worked against Detroit, but Atlanta's receivers know how to catch the ball. The one thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is if Prosise comes back, he was lethal against the Pats and takes a ton of pressure off Wilson. Rawls looks back to speed too, and the line may be learning to run block. But they can't afford another slow start, and probably can't afford even a medium speed one. Atlanta's pass rush is obviously better than Detroit's, simply by virtue of having Vic Beasley. How is their run defense?
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TheChirurgeon posted:Rodgers is better than Dak, but the Cowboys' offense is better than the Packers', the Cowboys defense is significantly better than the Packers' defense, the Cowboys' special teams are better, and the Cowboys are at home. The Cowboys already beat the Steelers in a shootout in Pittsburgh this year, and they're a better team than the Packers. If you think this is an easy game for the Packers, then I'll have whatever you've been drinking. Well, I've seen all I need to see. Putting money on the Packers.
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TheChirurgeon posted:If they played Seattle at home, they'd deserve to be favored. But they'd have to go to Seattle, and the Seahawks are an entirely different team at home. you're killing it ITT
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blue squares posted:you're killing it ITT man, whatever. I've said my bit. Can we talk about the fact that if Watt had stayed healthy, we might be talking about the Texans as an all-time great defense dragging its Dilfer-level QB to the playoffs and not just a very good defense doing the same? Clowney has been really coming into his own
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Porn on VHS posted:This feels like a really easy game for the Packers I'm sneaky worried about it. Cowboys are a spooky team and I'm not ruling em out. Plus it's in Dallas that might count for something.
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TheChirurgeon posted:a porous offensive line Also, the Packers have been holding teams to an average of 18 ppg the last 7 weeks. That's not bad at all.
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nerve posted:I'm sneaky worried about it. Cowboys are a spooky team and I'm not ruling em out. Plus it's in Dallas that might count for something. Last Dallas Super Bowl was in 96 so imo they don't have the look
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TheChirurgeon posted:man, whatever. I've said my bit. I was being serious
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Leon Einstein posted:I guess you don't watch the Packers. Rodgers gets all day. yes, those vaunted offenses were held to a mere 18 ppg
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Leon Einstein posted:Also, the Packers have been holding teams to an average of 18 ppg the last 7 weeks. That's not bad at all. look at their opponents
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TheChirurgeon posted:with a porous offensive line Rodgers was averaging like 3-4 seconds of pocket time last night...in what world is that porous...
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Well I guess Jack Prescott is better than the last time it was autocorrected to Dark Prescott? Which would sound like a cool super villain if not for the racist part.
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TheChirurgeon posted:yes, those vaunted offenses were held to a mere 18 ppg While Dallas was giving up 21 ppg on average
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CyberPingu posted:Rodgers was averaging like 3-4 seconds of pocket time last night...in what world is that porous... Yeah, I was wrong about that. Went back and checked the Sack rate and it's better than I thought. In terms of last night, the Giants haven't actually been that good at generating sacks this season. The secondary has been amazing, and that's what's made the defense good CyberPingu posted:While Dallas was giving up 21 ppg on average Yes, let's compare the ppg given up over the last 7 games with a team that secured homefield advantage in week 14. Oh no we gave up 27 points to the Eagles in week 17!
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah, I was wrong about that. Went back and checked the Sack rate and it's better than I thought. Sacks are not the only metric for how effective pass rush is though, forcing over/underthrows, INTS or just generally bad play is probably more of an effective measurement. Ive always thought of Sacks as being a sign of an immobile QB or not very good awareness (obviously this is not always the case). You also shared 3 common opponents down that stretch... Fair point about locking up homefield early, i guess that does skew the numbers a bit. However i think you are selling the Packers really short with how loving dangerous they are right now. CyberPingu fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Even when Rodgers was sacked last night it was after like 6 seconds in the pocket or something ridiculous.
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Hey maybe our d can continue its trend of magically making wrs drop easily catchable balls in wide open space or qbs missing dudes that are open by 6 yards all the way to the top. I can't possibly see how that can just stop out of nowhere. That said Rodgers is playing at an almost transcendent level and if Cobb and Adams and cook keep stepping up losing Nelson might not be a death blow to our offense. Unfortunately our run d tends to get blown up by actual good rbs so if Dallas gets a grinding the game away Rodgers is going to have to score every time we touch the ball. Which he will because he's pretty drat good Edit forgot to add that Dak gonna be all shook during his first playoff start like he was in his prime time game against the Giants Pokemaster #421 fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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It's important to remember that Green Bay has momentum on their side as well. Lots of things working against Dallas, meaningless week 17 game coupled with a bye.
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Jared Cook wasn't playing the last time they played, also, and it's pretty clear that he's a huge asset even when not the 1 or 2. I think it'll be a good, close game!
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nerve posted:It's important to remember that Green Bay has momentum on their side as well. Lots of things working against Dallas, meaningless week 17 game coupled with a bye. This is why I'm taking Texans over Patriots, Skip
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CyberPingu posted:Sacks are not the only metric for how effective pass rush is though, forcing over/underthrows, INTS or just generally bad play is probably more of an effective measurement. Ive always thought of Sacks as being a sign of an immobile QB or not very good awareness (obviously this is not always the case). Sacks are a pretty good measure of pressure. If you get more pressure, you're generally going to get more sacks because guys will have more opportunities to get to the QB. If we go by QB Hurries, the Giants fare a little better, but they still rank 9th out of 32 teams in the NFL. The Giants did much better with regard to INTs (17, tied for 4th), Completion Pct (3rd), and DRC and Jenkins were both in the top 10 in passes defensed on the season (Landon Collins was 20th). That all points to fantastic DB play more than great defensive line play. It's hard to overstate how good the Giants secondary was this year, particularly DRC. CyberPingu posted:Fair point about locking up homefield early, i guess that does skew the numbers a bit. However i think you are selling the Packers really short with how loving dangerous they are right now. Every year people overrate the teams that win on wildcard weekend. The Cowboys could certainly lose the game--Rodgers is very dangerous and the worst-case scenario for the Cowboys is having to enter a passing shootout. But the Packers' defense is as healthy as it was the last time these teams played, Montgomery was already in the lineup then, and Dallas' run game can completely dominate the Packers. I like our chances. But if a TMZ report comes out on Wednesday about Dak taking a trip to Cabo or showing up on a boat in Miami, then just go ahead and shoot me TheChirurgeon fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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TheChirurgeon posted:Sacks are a pretty good measure of pressure. If you get more pressure, you're generally going to get more sacks because guys will have more opportunities to get to the QB. If we go by QB Hurries, the Giants fare a little better, but they still rank 9th out of 32 teams in the NFL. The Giants did much better with regard to INTs (17, tied for 4th), Completion Pct (3rd), and DRC and Jenkins were both in the top 10 in passes defensed on the season (Landon Collins was 20th). That all points to fantastic DB play more than great defensive line play. It's hard to overstate how good the Giants secondary was this year, particularly DRC. I wish we still had DRC...
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CyberPingu posted:This game seems primed for a Dez meltdown... He didn't even play in the last Green Bay game, so it's all upside
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The falcons have figured out that Vic Beasley is best suited moved all over the line, and Seattle is going to have to prove they can actually adjust to a pass rush. But the Falcons secondary can't really do anything except head hunt, and last time they had Desmond Trufant who's out this game. I dunno, I think there will be a lot of bullshit in this game.
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CobiWann posted:Speaking of the Giants... The deal was already in place iirc
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Cowboys Patriots SB. Giants loosing last night just made this easy for us Defense has been stepping it up and with Lee in peak form I'm pretty loving confident
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:Cowboys Patriots SB. Giants loosing last night just made this easy for us Care to  that?
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:Cowboys Patriots SB. nuclear war can't come fast enough
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So worried about the inevitable Phone posting is depressing EvilBlackRailgun fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:nuclear war can't come fast enough Looks like we've got the right man for the job.
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EvilBlackRailgun posted:loosing
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FizFashizzle posted:The falcons have figured out that Vic Beasley is best suited moved all over the line, and Seattle is going to have to prove they can actually adjust to a pass rush. If a game comes down to bullshit I'm not betting against Wilson
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Beckham had 20+ targets in games versus the Packers this year. Limiting him to like 85? yards is pretty impressive. Drops accounted for some of that low total, but with that secondary and a guy who has the chance to break something off for a massive gain literally every time the ball is snapped, I'm happy we were able to do at least that.
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