Trump IV: THE NEEDLE BESTOWS IT'S GLORY UPON OUR UNWORTHY VESSELS OF FLESH

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Crow Jane: Oct 18, 2012; nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

I bet there's a part of Trump that wants this to come out so he can openly brag about banging a porn star.

Crow Jane fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Mar 12, 2018

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r.y.f.s.o.: Mar 1, 2003; classically trained

Arglebargle III posted:

Thread music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uWN5aPkJ8

I don't need that much double bass for the end of the world.

Everyone should smoke some good weed and listen to this real loud at least once:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKqEVESXSM

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

she does too

nice

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:02

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

Retro42 posted:

Her attorney is either waiting for the other side to break the NDA unintentionally or hoping a judge demands Trumps attorney prove he was acting on Trumps behalf with the NDA to begin with.

Maybe I�m a little too cynical about Trump and his associates but it seems highly likely Cohen did this whole NDA deal out of sight and didn�t even tell Trump about it until after the election. Incredibly improper and invalid but wouldn�t surprise me at all.

If it were $3k, maybe.

$130k no loving way he didn't get it cleared with Trump first. Trump just stiffed him and was too enamored with doing rallies to sign the poo poo.

Her attorney is working their way down the list o' things that could kill the NDA. I kind of expect to see them argue next that forcing them to retain the money makes them party to a campaign finance violation, and contracts cannot force someone to do illegal things.

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SocketWrench: Jul 8, 2012; by Fritz the Horse

Alter Ego posted:

You forgot Maylee, Brantley, and McKarty.

And Tucker
gently caress Tucker, Tucker sucks. And so does his best friend Kyle

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:08

Neurolimal: Nov 3, 2012

Crow Jane posted:

I bet there's a part of Trump that wants this to come out so he can openly brag about banging a porn star.

I mean, if it turns out to be true that the NDA agreement was done behind his back then he's got nothing to lose: anti and pro trump pundits have already painted him as being candid and unprofessional, there's no laws against running for office after having sex with a porn star, and the people who buy into his machismo schtick will go "yeah! Our Guy fucks porn stars!"

I hope thats the case, if only for two reasons:

1) helps to erode the stigma around sex workers and legislature to protect them

2) I want to see prime ministers and presidents release memos about Trump's Dick Pic

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Fitzy Fitz: May 14, 2005

i am harry posted:

A poo poo load of racist white parents who don't give a gently caress whether brown kids live or die, and certainly don't want that filth competing with Jaykin, Tayler, and Laybrin's bright futures.

It's not even just the "underperforming" minorities. They're even trying to get away from really successful schools that are too Asian: https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

They just want white schools, period.

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eke out: Feb 24, 2013

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/status/973227111329812482

this story feels too crazy to be true

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CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Shifty Pony posted:

If it were $3k, maybe.

$130k no loving way he didn't get it cleared with Trump first. Trump just stiffed him and was too enamored with doing rallies to sign the poo poo.

Her attorney is working their way down the list o' things that could kill the NDA. I kind of expect to see them argue next that forcing them to retain the money makes them party to a campaign finance violation, and contracts cannot force someone to do illegal things.

Yup. One way or the other, someone is getting in trouble here on Trump's side. Either Cohen gets hit for campaign finance crimes or Trump violates the NDA. I sincerely doubt Trump/Cohen have this all legally tied up in a bow.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:10

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Fitzy Fitz posted:

It's not even just the "underperforming" minorities. They're even trying to get away from really successful schools that are too Asian: https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

They just want white schools, period.

The best part is that white students do best in well-funded diverse schools. They are literally willing to give their kids worse educations in order to maintain the social order they prefer.

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Bicyclops: Aug 27, 2004

Your Taint posted:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/973218996123328512?s=20

IANAL but it doesn't sound like she has much standing here, plus the other side would never agree.

lol

She's just taunting him. Like of course they're not going to agree, this is just "By the way, Donnie, I might have pictures.

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RoboChrist 9000: Dec 14, 2006; Mater Dolorosa

Neurolimal posted:

"yeah! Our Guy fucks porn stars!"

I can't recall the whole story but didn't he pay her for the sex? There's nothing shameful in sex work or sex workers, but, approaching it from the machismo CHUD standpoint, it does seem like a big difference.

From the POV of toxic masculinity and women-as-conquests it seems to me that there is a world of difference between 'I hosed a porn star!' and 'I paid a porn star to gently caress me!' One speaks to the perceived masculinity of the man, the other simply speaks to the fact he was willing and able to pay someone to gently caress him. Lots of porn stars do/did full service sex work on the side. 'I hosed a porn star' is something lots of people could rightly claim if they really wanted and were willing to spend a bit of money.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:13

Crow Jane: Oct 18, 2012; nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Neurolimal posted:

I mean, if it turns out to be true that the NDA agreement was done behind his back then he's got nothing to lose: anti and pro trump pundits have already painted him as being candid and unprofessional, there's no laws against running for office after having sex with a porn star, and the people who buy into his machismo schtick will go "yeah! Our Guy fucks porn stars!"

I hope thats the case, if only for two reasons:

1) helps to erode the stigma around sex workers and legislature to protect them

2) I want to see prime ministers and presidents release memos about Trump's Dick Pic

I mean, he could theoretically lose Melania if it comes out, but I doubt he cares very much.

With everything we've heard about his dick not working, I'm half hoping the videos are of him getting pegged. Or crying because he can't get it up.

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Retro42: Jun 27, 2011

Shifty Pony posted:

If it were $3k, maybe.

$130k no loving way he didn't get it cleared with Trump first. Trump just stiffed him and was too enamored with doing rallies to sign the poo poo.

Her attorney is working their way down the list o' things that could kill the NDA. I kind of expect to see them argue next that forcing them to retain the money makes them party to a campaign finance violation, and contracts cannot force someone to do illegal things.

If it were any other attorney I�d agree with you. But Cohen is absolutely Trumps fixer. At the maximum he probably just told Trump or someone with access to the money �I�m going to need 130k to take care of an issue ok?�

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Paracaidas: Sep 24, 2016; Consistently Tedious!

Neurolimal posted:

From what I've googled this seems to be true? I mean not to direct this thread towards Bad Dems topics, but it seems like being aware of republicans hitting from the left doesn't really change anything. It's a dangerous road to take, forgiving anything and everything that republicans might attack a democrat on.

Good thing nobody suggested that! :jerkbag:

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:15

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Retro42 posted:

At the maximum he probably just told Trump or someone with access to the money �I�m going to need 130k to take care of an issue ok?�

But that's the problem: He never got the money as far as we can tell. He spent his own money (or the campaign's money) to do it.

That's a huge issue.

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Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

Crow Jane posted:

I mean, he could theoretically lose Melania if it comes out, but I doubt he cares very much.

With everything we've heard about his dick not working, I'm half hoping the videos are of him getting pegged. Or crying because he can't get it up.

I don't want there to be video, but god there better be video.

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Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

The only aspect of any significance with the Stormy Daniels business is that Cohen and/or Trump almost certainly broke laws when moving the hush money around. Everything else is less worse than Grab Them By The Pussy, which didn't finish Trump off either.

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Crow Jane posted:

I mean, he could theoretically lose Melania if it comes out, but I doubt he cares very much.

With everything we've heard about his dick not working, I'm half hoping the videos are of him getting pegged. Or crying because he can't get it up.

He doesn't care about losing her but what if there were riders in their pre nup that allowed for her to get more cash if there was infidelity.. That isn't uncommon.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:16

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

SulphagneSocialist posted:

The only aspect of any significance with the Stormy Daniels business is that Cohen and/or Trump almost certainly broke laws when moving the hush money around. Everything else is less worse than Grab Them By The Pussy, which didn't finish Trump off either.

Stormy almost certainly finished him off

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:17

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Alter Ego posted:

I don't want there to be video, but god there better be video.

Choose one: any embarrassing tape Stormy Daniels may have, or the pee tape. You can't have both.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:18

Nail Rat: Dec 29, 2000; You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

Crow Jane posted:

I mean, he could theoretically lose Melania if it comes out, but I doubt he cares very much.

How do you figure? Their marriage is a business arrangement, and she certainly knows he's been doing stuff like this.

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Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

Your Taint posted:

Choose one: any embarrassing tape Stormy Daniels may have, or the pee tape. You can't have both.

First one, since it has a better chance of actually existing.

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axeil posted:

This is an extremely good article and is very pro-read. As an ex-mainline Protestant I think it really articulated the history of right-wing religious ideology infecting politics, the intellectual rot and inconsistencies within it compared to say, Catholicism, and why people like me fled religion as it became synonymous with hypocrisy and hatred.

A good excerpt (the whole article is good, read it)

It makes me very sad that we could've had a very strong American movement against eugenics and fascist racial purity nonsense and instead they decided to get upset about a scientific theory.

This is another part that stood out to me:

quote:

Where did this history leave evangelicals� political involvement?

For a start, modern evangelicalism has an important intellectual piece missing. It lacks a model or ideal of political engagement�an organizing theory of social action. Over the same century from Blanchard to Falwell, Catholics developed a coherent, comprehensive tradition of social and political reflection. Catholic social thought includes a commitment to solidarity, whereby justice in a society is measured by the treatment of its weakest and most vulnerable members. And it incorporates the principle of subsidiarity�the idea that human needs are best met by small and local institutions (though higher-order institutions have a moral responsibility to intervene when local ones fail).

In practice, this acts as an �if, then� requirement for Catholics, splendidly complicating their politics: If you want to call yourself pro-life on abortion, then you have to oppose the dehumanization of migrants. If you criticize the devaluation of life by euthanasia, then you must criticize the devaluation of life by racism. If you want to be regarded as pro-family, then you have to support access to health care. And vice versa. The doctrinal whole requires a broad, consistent view of justice, which�when it is faithfully applied�cuts across the categories and clich�s of American politics. Of course, American Catholics routinely ignore Catholic social thought. But at least they have it. Evangelicals lack a similar tradition of their own to disregard.

So where do evangelicals get their theory of social engagement? It is cheating to say (as most evangelicals probably would) �the Bible.� The Christian Bible, after all, can be a vexing document: At various points, it offers approving accounts of genocide and recommends the stoning of insubordinate children. Some interpretive theory must elevate the Golden Rule above Iron Age ethics and apply that higher ideal to the tragic compromises of public life. Lacking an equivalent to Catholic social thought, many evangelicals seem to find their theory merely by following the contours of the political movement that is currently defending, and exploiting, them. The voter guides of religious conservatives have often been suspiciously similar to the political priorities of movement conservatism. Fox News and talk radio are vastly greater influences on evangelicals� political identity than formal statements by religious denominations or from the National Association of Evangelicals. In this Christian political movement, Christian theology is emphatically not the primary motivating factor.

The evangelical political agenda, moreover, has been narrowed by its supremely reactive nature. Rather than choosing their own agendas, evangelicals have been pulled into a series of social and political debates started by others. Why the asinine issue of spiritually barren prayer in public schools? Because of Justice Hugo Black�s 1962 opinion rendering it unconstitutional. Why such an effort-wasting emphasis on a constitutional amendment to end abortion, which will never pass? Because in 1973 Justice Harry Blackmun located the right to abortion in the constitutional penumbra. Why the current emphasis on religious liberty? Because the 2015 Obergefell v. Hodges decision legalizing same-sex marriage has raised fears of coercion.

It is not that secularization, abortion, and religious liberty are trivial issues; they are extremely important. But the timing and emphasis of evangelical responses have contributed to a broad sense that evangelical political engagement is negative, censorious, and oppositional. This funneled focus has also created the damaging impression that Christians are obsessed with sex. Much of the secular public hears from Christians only on issues of sexuality�from contraceptive mandates to gay rights to transgender bathroom usage. And while religious people do believe that sexual ethics are important, the nature of contemporary religious engagement creates a misimpression about just how important they are relative to other crucial issues.

The upside potential of evangelical social engagement was illustrated by an important, but largely overlooked, initiative that I witnessed while working at the White House. The President�s Emergency Plan for aids Relief (pepfar)�the largest initiative by a nation in history to fight a single disease�emerged in part from a sense of moral obligation informed by George W. Bush�s evangelical faith. In explaining and defending the program, Bush made constant reference to Luke 12:48: �To whom much is given, much is required.� pepfar also owes its existence to a strange-bedfellows political alliance of liberal global-health advocates and evangelical leaders, who had particular standing and sway with Republican members of Congress. Rather than being a response to secular aggression, this form of evangelical social engagement was the reaction to a massive humanitarian need and displayed a this-worldly emphasis on social justice that helped save millions of lives.

I dunno how much weight to give the dual hagiography of Catholicism and Bush's "compassionate conservatism" here, or the suggestion that people were more thoughtful and intellectually consistent about their causes in years past, but it sure does ring a lot of bells about how little the Fox-News-watching, Trump-excusing evangelicals seem to care about actual matters of religion anymore (and that even if they did, it wouldn't necessarily be any bad thing).

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Nail Rat: Dec 29, 2000; You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

What does DD stand for anyway? Dirty Donald? Daddy Donald? Dapper Don?

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Crow Jane: Oct 18, 2012; nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Nail Rat posted:

How do you figure? Their marriage is a business arrangement, and she certainly knows he's been doing stuff like this.

Well of course she knows, but I imagine having the entire world see video proof of your husband cheating on you would be on another level.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:22

Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Nail Rat posted:

How do you figure? Their marriage is a business arrangement, and she certainly knows he's been doing stuff like this.

We went over this in the last thread but this is an incomplete view of Melania's position. She's had a child with this man, her public image is tied up in his, she's an immigrant woman trapped in a loveless marriage to the most powerful man on Earth who is where he is because he ran explicitly on an anti-immigrant, anti-woman platform. She might not be a good person, but she's in a very bad position here, as is her child (who is probably the biggest victim in this scenario).

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Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

Nail Rat posted:

What does DD stand for anyway? Dirty Donald? Daddy Donald? Dapper Don?

David Dennison.

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boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Crow Jane posted:

I mean, he could theoretically lose Melania if it comes out, but I doubt he cares very much.

i'm sure he cares about the perception of getting divorced, even if he doesn't care one way or the other about his relationship with melania

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DandyLion: Jun 24, 2010; disrespectul Deciever

boner confessor posted:

i'm sure he cares about the perception of getting divorced, even if he doesn't care one way or the other about his relationship with melania

Not even, he's been divorced many times. He cares about money, that is all.

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Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

boner confessor posted:

i'm sure he cares about the perception of getting divorced, even if he doesn't care one way or the other about his relationship with melania

He didn't care about perception after the Access Hollywood video or after those 20 women accused him of groping them or after he mocked that disabled reporter. You really think a little divorce is going to bother him?

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:29

Agents are GO!: Dec 29, 2004

Nail Rat posted:

What does DD stand for anyway? Dirty Donald? Daddy Donald? Dapper Don?

I assumed its two D's for ~~a double-dose of his pimpin'~~ defendant, as I recall Stormy's was PP for plaintiff.

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boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

DandyLion posted:

Not even, he's been divorced many times. He cares about money, that is all.

yeah but he wasn't sitting in a highly visible spot at that point

all someone has to tell him is he'd be the first potus to get divorced in office

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Crows Turn Off: Jan 7, 2008

Agents are GO! posted:

I assumed its two D's for ~~a double-dose of his pimpin'~~ defendant, as I recall Stormy's was PP for plaintiff.

They refer to their aliases. DD is David Dennison and PP is Peggy Peterson.

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Data Graham: Dec 28, 2009; 📈📊🍪😋

boner confessor posted:

i'm sure he cares about the perception of getting divorced, even if he doesn't care one way or the other about his relationship with melania

I feel like if anything is going to bring the Trump Presidency crashing down in a ball of fire, it won't be anything like a massive Watergate-style political scandal or precedent-setting constitutional crisis, it'll be some personal tantrum level thing where he gets obsessed with a particular person who has done him wrong and abdicates all pretense at reason as he self-immolates over it.

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Fritz Coldcockin: Nov 7, 2005

Crows Turn Off posted:

They refer to their aliases. DD is David Dennison and PP is Peggy Peterson.

Incidentally it also works for Donny Dipshit too.

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Avirosb: Nov 21, 2016; Everyone makes pisstakes

Double D's.

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Owlofcreamcheese: May 22, 2005; Can't post for 9 years!; Buglord

Alter Ego posted:

He didn't care about perception after the Access Hollywood video or after those 20 women accused him of groping them or after he mocked that disabled reporter. You really think a little divorce is going to bother him?

Yeah probably, that stuff made him the least popular president in US history. Which seems to cause him endless grief.

The narrative that trump is happy with things doesn't seem to be reflected at all in his constant tantrums.

# ? Mar 12, 2018 17:31

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

boner confessor posted:

yeah but he wasn't sitting in a highly visible spot at that point

all someone has to tell him is he'd be the first potus to get divorced in office

"My divorce was the best divorce by any President."

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Crow Jane: Oct 18, 2012; nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Crows Turn Off posted:

They refer to their aliases. DD is David Dennison and PP is Peggy Peterson.

Which just confirms the theory that there was a strap-on involved, tbh

Also you know that Trump would tweet terrible things about Melania every day if they got divorced. He'd call her Moochin' Melania or some poo poo.

Crow Jane fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Mar 12, 2018

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Rigged Death Trap: Feb 13, 2012; BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

axeil posted:

It makes me very sad that we could've had a very strong American movement against eugenics and fascist racial purity nonsense and instead they decided to get upset about a scientific theory.

lol if you think they didnt like those things

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