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Local Weather posted:
i think 911 granted a good deal of confirmation bias to people (boomers mostly i think) who were already in charge and predisposed to racism
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Consumption is the only kind of identity most people have left now. Everything's been either co-opted into it or obliterated. this was mostly what i meant by "everything is nerd culture now" tbh
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Feb 20, 2019 20:45
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Do mental illnesses count? they'll appropriate that soon enough.
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Feb 20, 2019 21:57
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:The end of the Cold War dropped American culture into a weird kind of stasis because capitalism is evil and will kill the world, but Americans can’t imagine an alternative to it.
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Feb 21, 2019 02:42
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get that OUT of my face posted:post-cold war, pre-9/11 pop culture was some weird poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oubi9HU8t5o
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Feb 21, 2019 02:43
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SardonicTyrant posted:May the Lord be with you: Jesus Christ and the Force lol
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Feb 21, 2019 02:45
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Local Weather posted:I feel like you're sort of right but it's not really our gen x childhoods you're being forced to relive. Yes there are a few 80's nostalgia pieces around but I think in reality American culture is stuck somewhere between the late 90's and 2001 and it hasn't really moved a whole lot since then. And because it's America it just gets more refined and more intense. I think 9/11 stunted everything and we are never going to be able to move past it as a society. oh yea thats definitely true as well. i think part of the reason why weve never really gotten into 90s nostalgia is because lots of huge but embarassing stuff like eminem/nickleback/linkin park etc never really went away and has continued to be a force in pop culture
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Feb 21, 2019 02:48
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Right before the Gulf War this show came out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Dad
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Feb 21, 2019 02:55
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Animal-Mother posted:Right before the Gulf War this show came out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Dad "Character development increased during the second season, such as the revelation that MacGillis is a former member of the United States Marine Corps Silent Drill Platoon." lol
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Feb 21, 2019 04:08
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get that OUT of my face posted:post-cold war, pre-9/11 pop culture was some weird poo poo it was a grotesque victory lap. goldeneye is probably the best example
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Feb 21, 2019 04:31
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R. Guyovich posted:it was a grotesque victory lap. goldeneye is probably the best example End of History'ism is a hell of a drug. 90's stuff is just fascinating for it.
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Feb 21, 2019 04:58
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R. Guyovich posted:it was a grotesque victory lap. goldeneye is probably the best example bond in general is just confusing as all hell now because no one can figure out who the villains supposed to be anymore it doesnt help that the whole concept of bond is racist and misogynist as all gently caress in a way thats really hard to paper over i think a few exchanges in goldeneye even admit this and that was twenty five years ago way before the current woke phase
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Feb 21, 2019 05:38
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Some Guy TT posted:bond in general is just confusing as all hell now because no one can figure out who the villains supposed to be anymore it doesnt help that the whole concept of bond is racist and misogynist as all gently caress in a way thats really hard to paper over i think a few exchanges in goldeneye even admit this and that was twenty five years ago way before the current woke phase were like 30 years into bond movies where the main theme is just 'is this irrelevant now?'
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Feb 21, 2019 06:03
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Some Guy TT posted:bond in general is just confusing as all hell now because no one can figure out who the villains supposed to be anymore it doesnt help that the whole concept of bond is racist and misogynist as all gently caress in a way thats really hard to paper over i think a few exchanges in goldeneye even admit this and that was twenty five years ago way before the current woke phase I'm reminded of how the idea of casting a black guy as Bond is a way worse idea than it sounds for... well, you can probably figure it out. Maybe you could have him take on neonazis?
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Some Guy TT posted:bond in general is just confusing as all hell now because no one can figure out who the villains supposed to be anymore it doesnt help that the whole concept of bond is racist and misogynist as all gently caress in a way thats really hard to paper over i think a few exchanges in goldeneye even admit this and that was twenty five years ago way before the current woke phase it's part of why goldeneye is the only good bond movie, and also the worst bond movie as a bond movie, because it's the first, last, and only time the franchise even pretended to wrestle with "hey uh has any of this ever been anything more than a bunch of cold war relics leaving a trail of corpses and destruction in their wake, that ultimately benefited noone but the psychopaths who got off on it" as a bond movie it's obliged to ultimately answer that question "who cares, it's cool," but the question was at least asked. then as an apology to the fans for briefly thinking about the concept of James Bond the next movie was What If Ted Turner Was Goldfinger.
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Feb 21, 2019 07:12
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I'm still disappointed at the end of every modern Bond movie for not getting into a giant robot fight. Hell, given the backstory of Bloefield I was expecting them to go full Solid/Liquid Bond. (I suppose they basically did that with Skyfall)
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Feb 21, 2019 07:17
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's part of why goldeneye is the only good bond movie, and also the worst bond movie as a bond movie, because it's the first, last, and only time the franchise even pretended to wrestle with "hey uh has any of this ever been anything more than a bunch of cold war relics leaving a trail of corpses and destruction in their wake, that ultimately benefited noone but the psychopaths who got off on it" i was going to say "the roger moore films never took themselves or the concept seriously" but then i realized that doesn't mean they weren't propaganda films anyway and i haven't seen them recently enough to make any sort of declarative statements about the subject still though, what about roger moore's tenure? its been like 20 years since i've seen them.
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Feb 21, 2019 07:21
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm reminded of how the idea of casting a black guy as Bond is a way worse idea than it sounds for... well, you can probably figure it out. Why would Bond fight neo Nazis?
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Feb 21, 2019 07:50
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General Dog posted:Why would Bond fight neo Nazis? The same reason Winston Churchill fought the original ones. "The only good world conquest is British aristocrat world conquest!"
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Feb 21, 2019 08:07
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it's part of why goldeneye is the only good bond movie, and also the worst bond movie as a bond movie, because it's the first, last, and only time the franchise even pretended to wrestle with "hey uh has any of this ever been anything more than a bunch of cold war relics leaving a trail of corpses and destruction in their wake, that ultimately benefited noone but the psychopaths who got off on it" elliott carver was a great villain. he was a murdoch analogue right when fox news was whirring up its death blades and years before the phone hacking scandal. unfortunately there's also a bunch of insane bullshit. iirc michelle yeoh's character has a gadget paper fan.
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movies used to be ok with insane bullshit which is really the problem with modern bond more than anything else everything is shoehorned into either grimdark baby torture ultra serious or cant go three minutes without making a dumb self awareness joke comedy old bond movies were right in that middle ground and they can crib the bond character names as much as they want tonally the new movies have almost nothing in common with the old ones really they dont even work as propaganda anymore james bond was the stand in for british intelligence and his job was to make them look competent and cool every time i watch maybe five minutes of a daniel craig movie while flipping channels hes finding some complicated way to gently caress everything up and then ineffectually apologize for it
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htey just arent very good movies and they never really have been and its been like 70 years now and its getting sort of rediculous
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Make a movie where James Bond busts up a ring of ecoterrorists on a college campus.
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General Dog posted:Make a movie where James Bond busts up a ring of ecoterrorists on a college campus. Has this thread mention Trigger Warning yet? honestly can’t remember. https://www.amazon.com/Trigger-Warning-William-W-Johnstone/dp/0786040505 It’s about a war veteran who goes to college and saves the day while having his ptsd triggered (the author does not realize this).
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General Dog posted:Make a movie where James Bond busts up a ring of ecoterrorists on a college campus. they already made rainbow six into a videogame series man
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Zorin was right.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Has this thread mention Trigger Warning yet? honestly can’t remember. I watched a 1.5 hour youtube of someone reading this. Just hearing the premise, you know exactly how it'll go (stupidly).
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i think the weird thing about the bond films is that they actively try to appear neutral to the cold war on a level beyond pretty much any hollywood piece from the time (turning everything from the books into a ploy from a third-party terror organisation rather than just having it be a russian plot in every case, having russian characters come across as human/ trying to do the right thing for their country) right up until the end of the cold war, where you suddenly have absurdly propagandistic pieces like goldeneye coming out, where the big set pieces are bond doing terrorism, slaughtering russian soldiers en masse it's a very peculiar dynamic
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You Only Live Twice was on the other day and I did go "huh" when in the beginning the US was accusing the USSR of stealing their spacemen the UK said "nah it wasn't the Russians why would they do that?" I made it to when they are turning Sean Connery into a Japanese person (lol) but iirc he was trying to prevent war between USA and USSR
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Farm Frenzy posted:htey just arent very good movies and they never really have been and its been like 70 years now and its getting sort of rediculous Dr No whips scrote, there's a scene early on where he checks his room for bugs that's an incredible introduction to the character and there's one character on screen and no dialog
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It's been years since I read it but as I recall at the end of the original Bond novel, Casino Royale, Bond has concluded that the Cold War is a pointless battle between morally indistinguishable sides. He's on the verge of abandoning his career but is motivated to stay in the game for purely vengeful and personal reasons. For those who have seen the film version with Craig it is worth noting that in the book Bond is facing off with Soviet agents, not a third party organization. Later Bond novels like Moonraker involve him doing more typical action hero stuff like stopping a group of ex-Nazis from blowing up London with a nuclear missile but the series has had that aesthetic of moral ambiguity from the getgo and it's clearly part of Bond's basic appeal to audiences. If there's any animating logic to Bond stories it's definitely misogyny. The last words of Casino Royale are literally "the bitch is dead".
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSkuC8lxXSQ
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bond also has to be read in the context of the united kingdoms role in the post world war ii era where they were desperately trying to sell their relevance as an international player when the empire no longer existed when they were adapting the books and actively making bond a quintessentially english spy this subtext was unavoidable in the movies but as bond has drifted into being an increasingly generic action movie icon that nuance has been lost and would be laughable at this point anyway as anyone who follows the uks actual dumpster fire politics knows they cant even be bothered to scrape together funding for regular police or airplanes let alone world class super spies
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R. Guyovich posted:it was a grotesque victory lap. goldeneye is probably the best example
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Some Guy TT posted:anyone who follows the uks actual dumpster fire politics knows they cant even be bothered to scrape together funding for regular police or airplanes let alone world class super spies I really want them to make Austerity Bond now.
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Some Guy TT posted:bond also has to be read in the context of the united kingdoms role in the post world war ii era where they were desperately trying to sell their relevance as an international player when the empire no longer existed when they were adapting the books and actively making bond a quintessentially english spy this subtext was unavoidable in the movies but as bond has drifted into being an increasingly generic action movie icon that nuance has been lost and would be laughable at this point anyway as anyone who follows the uks actual dumpster fire politics knows they cant even be bothered to scrape together funding for regular police or airplanes let alone world class super spies at least as far as anti-propaganda, le carre did british spy stories much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNrjAMV0HJk
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Goon Danton posted:I really want them to make Austerity Bond now. bond slinks down to Q's lab "Ah, you're just in time, Double Oh Seven! Have a look at your new vehicle:" 
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The long-awaited crossover: Bond vs Bean
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Le Carre was good in a lot of ways, but a lot of his writing makes Fleming look feminist.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Dr No whips scrote, there's a scene early on where he checks his room for bugs that's an incredible introduction to the character and there's one character on screen and no dialog From Russia With Love's final confrontation is an old lady disguised as a maid trying to kick Bond with a poisoned blade that flips out of her shoe, and manages to make that ridiculous scenario genuinely tense I still like Casino Royale too
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