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Tom Guycot posted:Yup, corporations are not your friend. Neither are politicians/governments. New page, really? Um, on topic of Oculus being tied to Facebook, how much info does Oculus really take for you to use one of their headsets? While Facebook Owns them, do they need any other information outside of a Name/E-Mail and a funding source if you are buying Oculus Store apps? It's not like you need an actual Facebook account to use any Oculus hardware currently. One "tracking" worry some people may have that could be of interest, is: Does the Quest have a GPS chip in it? EdEddnEddy fucked around with this message at 21:29 on May 3, 2019 |
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If you ever watched VR porn on your Oculus device(s) then Facebook has detailed logs of how long it takes you to jerk off. If it has cameras then they have saved video recordings. Zuck watches them.
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May 3, 2019 21:41
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D1E posted:Zuck watches them. mmm just smokin some meats
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May 3, 2019 21:48
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Zuckerberg actually prefers to watch infrared videos, as that is the predominant light on his home planet, so the Oculus cameras are perfect for him.
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May 3, 2019 21:48
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EdEddnEddy posted:Neither are politicians/governments. They don't even need a name, just an E-mail account and a payment source if you're going to buy stuff in their store. There are some apps like the dumb facebook spaces thing that uses a facebook account obviously, and the oculus venues thing on the Go uses a facebook account to log into. I finally last year made a dummy facebook account so I could try out the venues app, but other than that, they haven't had a name attached to my account since I created it back for the DK2. Interesting question about the GPS chip though. I would assume they wouldn't since they probably wanted to reduce cost in any way, but I don't know if GPS is some standard part of a SD835 that couldn't be removed?
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Joe Average posted:I haven't really noticed them using the index, and I did specifically notice them when using the vive. So in my opinion, significantly less than the og vive and rift. Thank you! In your opinion, for someone who is a medium rift user (uses it every now and then), is the index a big enough upgrade to justify the price?
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Tom Guycot posted:They don't even need a name, just an E-mail account and a payment source if you're going to buy stuff in their store. There are some apps like the dumb facebook spaces thing that uses a facebook account obviously, and the oculus venues thing on the Go uses a facebook account to log into. I finally last year made a dummy facebook account so I could try out the venues app, but other than that, they haven't had a name attached to my account since I created it back for the DK2. I think if it had GPS they'd have brought it up by now. There's not really anything to DO with a GPS tracker anyway - the Quest's not really a mixed-reality device, and the general use-case is for an indoor setup in a preset guardian space that the cameras do a perfectly fine job of determining themselves.
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I don't think GPS would be of any use, as the margin of error is likely going to be the size of your play space.
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It's actually a lot more than that. Margin of error on a small GPS is more like 100 feet. Your phone only does better because it's obtaining lock over time, smoothing, and heavily augmenting the data with stuff like cell signal strength, wifi strength, accelerometer data, and making reasonable assumptions that you're on a road and not driving through a lake.
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Its more I don't know how an soc like, the 835 is designed, and whether GPS is an integrated part when they get the soc from qualcom that can't sensibly be removed, or if thats handled by some entirely separate chip in phones that can just be ignored when designing a HMD.
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Hellsau posted:Facebook has assisted in multiple genocides and continues to do so. -- The case for a mobile app seems obvious to me - VR keyboards are poo poo and everyone has a phone where chances are good they've got Facebook installed and logged in. And you can buy stuff without being in VR, like with Steam. And they could probably reuse GearVR poo poo.
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May 4, 2019 04:47
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As far as I'm aware Valve hasn't participated in genocide.
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SCheeseman posted:As far as I'm aware Valve hasn't participated in genocide. Gordon Freeman seems like an alien mass murderer to me
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:The case for a mobile app seems obvious to me - VR keyboards are poo poo and everyone has a phone where chances are good they've got Facebook installed and logged in. And you can buy stuff without being in VR, like with Steam. And they could probably reuse GearVR poo poo. With the way the Quest is designed (sensors around the rim), I wouldn't be surprised to see a newer/cheaper version or variant in a few years that plugs in a smartphone like the GearVR.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Look up United Fruit Company and Nestle. There's no ethical consumption in capitalism so I hope you're a hardcore socialist or communist That's a good reason to have a phone app available, but it's still annoying that it's required for anything. Other consoles manage to be completely standalone just fine, and it's not like their text input is any better. Neddy Seagoon posted:With the way the Quest is designed (sensors around the rim), I wouldn't be surprised to see a newer/cheaper version or variant in a few years that plugs in a smartphone like the GearVR. sethsez fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 4, 2019 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:With the way the Quest is designed (sensors around the rim), I wouldn't be surprised to see a newer/cheaper version or variant in a few years that plugs in a smartphone like the GearVR. I dunno, according to Oculus people use their Go's a lot compared to how much they use GearVR's. It's just too much of a pain in the rear end to have to put your phone in a thing, and then if it's connected with a cable or something that's still its own kind of pain in the rear end.
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I don't think Oculus at least is in any hurry to do more phone based VR. Every year during Carmack's keynote at OC there would be some story of frustration when he talked about the gear VR with different chips used in different regions, not being able to get all the access to specific parts of the SoC, dealing with provider bloatware, and overheating. I think one of the bigger things people overlook sometimes with the Go and especially the Quest is that they never overheat. The old gear VR would give you warnings after so long of playing something intense and have to cool down while decimating the battery. That the Quest can be an overclocked chip that never has to throttle down is really fantastic. It also makes me a little cautious of plans like HTC saying the cosmos can plug into a phone to power it mobile, because I'm wondering how long its going to take to start throttling down and draining the battery like the old GearVR.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Look up United Fruit Company and Nestle. There's no ethical consumption in capitalism so I hope you're a hardcore socialist or communist Well as a matter of fact, Yes! All corporations are trash, not by accident but by design. Burn them all to the ground! In a VR video game, of course.
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Tom Guycot posted:I don't think Oculus at least is in any hurry to do more phone based VR. Every year during Carmack's keynote at OC there would be some story of frustration when he talked about the gear VR with different chips used in different regions, not being able to get all the access to specific parts of the SoC, dealing with provider bloatware, and overheating. Fair enough. I really don't see the Cosmos succeeding on its own "you can tether it to a phone!" gambit (though it's a nice idea in theory), because there's just not going to be the software support the Quest has and you're trying to get people who're generally on multi-year plans paying off existing ones to buy a new, specific, model of phone on top of your headset. sethsez posted:I'd be surprised as hell to see that. Phone-based VR is almost completely dead - the Gear VR hasn't been updated in a while and you need to ask Samsung for an adapter for the newest phones, Daydream is experiencing the same fate as every other lower-tier Google side project, and Cardboard hasn't had anything noteworthy in many years. The Oculus Go was a clear attempt to bring the Gear VR library back from this inevitability (as was the Lenovo Mirage Solo but... Google side project), and having set specs with much higher thermal limits, displays that aren't covered in fingerprints, and none of the superfluous parts that a phone needs has proven to give a much better experience. I was talking more about using one for driving Quest gaming (keep all the guts except the rendering components, mount it to the faceplate, essentially) rather than actual Phone VR. Phone-based VR also just doesn't really do anything. The theory is you could use it for watching VR/3D movies, but the resolution's generally pretty awful on even the flat 360-degree stuff and the display quality's just not great because it's a device that wasn't designed for VR. And game-wise... there's not a lot you can do with a HMD-mounted touchpad or a 3DOF controller, and you're never going to see a hot-selling killer app.
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My mom came by today and tried VR for the first time. She loved Beat Saber an Racket Fury, and is tempted to buy a Quest just for those. TheBlu also caused the usual "holy poo poo I'm actually here!" response that never gets old to see. Watching your grey-haired mother play Thrill of the Fight VR is a fun time. I set up a custom fight where the other guy had no chin and basically didn't attack. She had fun knocking out a grown man.
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May 4, 2019 10:11
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Some people claim their Index order status changed from "pre-order" to "shipping soon".
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Shine posted:Watching your grey-haired mother play Thrill of the Fight VR is a fun time. I set up a custom fight where the other guy had no chin and basically didn't attack. She had fun knocking out a grown man. I'm a big guy with really petite and quiet boyfriend, I let him play Gorn one time and he was like "wow, all these guys look exactly like you!" then proceeds to brutally massacre them all, giggling with glee like it was second nature. I am extra careful never to piss him off now.
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gently caress it, ordered an Index. I couldn't resist the higher refresh rates. Ships by August 31st.  I think I'm exactly in the Index's target audience. I'm a high-ish end PC gamer, I LOVE high refresh rates, and I'm happy to spend more money for a better experience. Before the Index was announced, I was actually planning on replacing my defective Vive with a Vive Pro just for the higher resolution.  Edit: the website said 8/31, but my confirmation email says 9/30 :s Anthony Chuzzlewit fucked around with this message at 20:25 on May 4, 2019 |
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May 4, 2019 20:14
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sethsez posted:It's tied to the Oculus store regardless and there's no physical media, you couldn't use the thing until Facebook flips the switch with or without the initial phone setup. Tom Guycot posted:Its more I don't know how an soc like, the 835 is designed, and whether GPS is an integrated part when they get the soc from qualcom that can't sensibly be removed, or if thats handled by some entirely separate chip in phones that can just be ignored when designing a HMD. Considering it'll mostly be used indoors where GPS performance is questionable I think if they care about location they'll just be using WiFi based positioning.
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Han Nehi posted:Edit: the website said 8/31, but my confirmation email says 9/30 :s
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If you want wireless PC VR you have to get a Vive or Vive Pro at this point right? Or I guess the Vive Pro Eye when it comes out.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Your confirmation mail has a date? It's confirming a reservation date, right? I'm assuming he just has a reservation. I clicked reserve the day of and my confirmation email says July 31.
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ShadowHawk posted:If you want wireless PC VR you have to get a Vive or Vive Pro at this point right? Or I guess the Vive Pro Eye when it comes out. You can get a tpcast for Rift as well.
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Lemming posted:You can get a tpcast for Rift as well. Since the screen is closer to the original I wonder if the original tpcast for rift would work for the rift-s.
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Hamelekim posted:Since the screen is closer to the original I wonder if the original tpcast for rift would work for the rift-s. I think the Pro needs its own one so I dunno, I'd be surprised if it just worked. Not impossible I guess
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Kinda tempted to get a rift s for my vive upgrade, was super keen on the index, but who loving knows when it'll be available in aus.
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Considering how long their shipping list is you might as well, is not like you can't sell it down the road of you want to.
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Does anyone know when Rift S demos start at Microsoft stores? I'd like to try it out and see if I it works for me.
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I heard they were supposed to start like Friday at best buy or something?
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I read somewhere that best buy is quest, Microsoft is rift s.
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Ah looks like you're right, and demos start on the 21st
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Cojawfee posted:I read somewhere that best buy is quest, Microsoft is rift s. I bet every WMR manufacturer loving hates Microsoft right now (except Lenovo lol). Microsoft prevents them from doing anything to improve the tracking on their headsets and then starts demoing and selling a super cheap headset that's basically a WMR with better tracking and better hand controllers.
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Tip posted:I bet every WMR manufacturer loving hates Microsoft right now (except Lenovo lol). Microsoft prevents them from doing anything to improve the tracking on their headsets and then starts demoing and selling a super cheap headset that's basically a WMR with better tracking and better hand controllers. Yeah that is a massive blunder on Microsoft's part. I hope they can offer Windows Mixed Reality 2 to counter that at a bit.
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iceaim posted:a massive blunder on Microsoft's part. What is "every single thing they have done for the past 20 years"?
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