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Zabdi remains stoic and denies everything and so you return home… […] Other envoys have visited you not long after you took the throne of Armanu-… of Zepath. It seems not every “king” in the region is human, for many centuries one of your neighbors has a female dog as their king, though one of the monarchs of the region seems a more recent development...  “There are some strange men in the city who want to talk to you” Paebel tells you one day. There are a great many demands upon your time, both from your own people and from foreigners, more people want to see you every day than you possibly have time for and so you ask Paebel what makes them strange? “They are not very Blooded but they are much better armed than most and comport themselves like soldiers. An innkeeper told one of my men and they told me. I asked around, it looks like they have been asking around as well to try to find someone in authority to bring a message to you.” That is strange. Usually foreigners who want to see you just… find you in the market, or go to the Chairmen or your home or find Gareb or something? And so with Paebel’s help you find the inn where the men are staying and simply knock on the door to their room one night. The door opens a bit and you see a man who looks at you and then closes the door quickly. A hushed conversation follows. “Uh Sir, he is here.” “What do you mean him?” “Sir, I mean HIM!” A moment later the door to the room opens and you see those within. Inside of the room are ten men who are very clearly soldiers of some sort wearing bronze armor even if their garments are hiding it passably well, it looks like they were just seated around two tables gambling and are now frantically standing and trying to look presentable. There is another man who in the room as well, the one who answered the door. He is more richly dressed than the others, dressed in a style which Zepathans would probably think is flamboyant but would probably be quite fashionable in Acco? He is not bedecked in jewels but his garments seem to be of fine quality. He gestures into the room with one hand with a warm and inviting smile as he says to you...  “Ah! The Hero Enkidel! Just the man I wanted to see. Thank you so much for saving me the time to come and see you! I hope I do not offend? I am told you prefer Magistrate but that such is reserved for your own people? I only wish to address you as you desire, if that is King it shall be! But please, do come in, I thank you for making time in what I am sure is your very busy day, working even at this very late hour!” You do decide to enter the room, he gestures the others away from one of the tables and gestures for you to sit, sitting at the table as well.  “I am Gaham, son of Aziel and I come to express the good will, admiration and friendship of your peer the Great Bochica, First Chief of the Tribes and Uniter of a Hundred Peoples-” with a small smile and a small self-depreciating laugh he holds his hands out towards you as if to gesture you to wait and says “-and yes, I am sure you will find this strange, but these are strange times that we live in and your friend the First Chief knows that these are strange times and that you have seen many strange things in your long life and having seen such things, know that things are not always as they may appear at first glance and will seek only the truth, which may take some small explanation, if I may do so?” You… you are talking to an envoy, a rather well dressed human envoy from… the “Great Bochica”… the king of the goblins, who conquered Hebronos, occupied Dibonith, marched off Bozrith(after they attacked the goblins) and is receiving tribute from Shilohara(after they attacked the goblins). A human envoy. A human envoy from… the goblins. However you actually feel about this you hide your true feelings as you say, very well, I am listening, explain. The man has not groveled at your feet or knelt or scraped before you as many foreigners do when they first meet you, instead he nods his head once and said “I thank you. Lets get the first thing out of the way. Yes, the First Chief is a goblin, though to use such a… base and course word is highly unfitting and improper. It would be like calling a... dough which has been thrown into an oven for but a moment bread, or saying that a roc, like a pigeon, is a bird. Technically might such words be true, technically…? Perhaps by only the slimmest margins, but hardly at all and it does not convey the true meaning which is what words are for! The First Chief is not human, but he is not a monster. He is a great man and a great leader who has lifted many from barbarism and civilized them. And yes, he did by force of arms take a city, though this is a thing many men have done and having done so he showed great restraint and beneficence to the conquered, adding them to our own people and not having abused them and he only did this set things to right and continue his war on the Bnaimokt. You have seen what has befallen the land Enkidel, the entire land is in disarray, what the First Chief has done has been has been to restore things to the order which the Prophet set forth.” He gestures to you with one hand and says “And we have heard of you of course Enkidel, of you and your people, the men of Zepath, true heroes like from days of old who have clung to El’s laws and won many great victories in El’s name, each of which brings joy to the First Chief’s heart for your foes are El’s foes and thus they are also the foes of our people. And the First Chief knows that once few men knew of your people at all and falsely thought you to be primitives and barbarians, a misconception which some have for our own people. A people, like yours, who were once many people but united in common cause as one. And so the First Chief has sent me to express his good will, to discuss friendship between you and him and to ensure that our people do not quarrel. In all the land there is no ruler such as he, just as in all the land there is no dark skinned giant champion of El such as you, for appearances can at time be deceiving and the First Chief knows that it will take… time for your people to come to know that our people are not savages but united in our devotion to El, so more… overt signs of friendship will need to wait until your people come to understand ours better.” You maintain a neutral expression as Gaham says all of this and eventually asks, what exactly are you proposing? “I have come to negotiate a treaty, or at least to begin the negotiating of such, by which the First Chief and you declare that you and your peoples and servants shall not fight each other in the hopes of one day more openly fighting together against the demons. And as a sign of his affection for you and to aid you in your fight, he shall share with you secrets of the Bnaimokt which are not known to you which he knows shall be of great interest, for our people have fought the Bnaimokt for many years and know things of the Bnaimokt which others do not. The First Chief appreciates that you might wish to keep this from some of your own advisors at least for a time, and so I tried to come more quietly to keep a lower profile.” […] There is no vote for now, you can speak with him and question him, normal rules apply. As of right now you are alone (besides Jael who is nearby and unnoticed by the humans) but if you wanted to bring anyone with you or fetch anyone you can, if so, who did you have in mind? After you have a chance to talk for a bit we will structure a proper vote, though if you want to weigh in on what you want to do now by all means, please do so! Rough ideas of what you are thinking are helpful! [...] For reference, if you want to remember what the Melachim you talk to regularly thought about the situation with the goblins was initially, before getting more information, here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=129241&perpage=40&pagenumber=607#post537910278 A general polling of the Melachim who don’t get much screen time on what they thought of the goblins: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=129241&perpage=40&pagenumber=608#post538031538 Here is what Jobe thought: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=129241&perpage=40&pagenumber=609#post538203450 An analysis by some Melachim on if the goblins are magically mind controlling people: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=129241&perpage=40&pagenumber=608#post538180290 Questioning a family the Melachim rescued from the goblins: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=129241&perpage=40&pagenumber=608#post538180290 There may be other relevant information, we just linked some of the posts we thought some of you might want to look up. We thought some of you might go digging for them so we were just saving you the effort. […] Discord Link if you want to join us to chat: https://discord.gg/w4az9EGt The channel is CannibalKingofZepath. If by the time you try the link it has expired, please message me for a new one, or post in the thread asking! Discord has them expire periodically for reasons beyond our control and indeed, beyond the understanding of mere mortal men. [...] Travic's Awesome Index: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&pagenumber=4080&perpage=40#post473373440 Diogines fucked around with this message at 00:40 on May 4, 2024 |
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Car Hater posted:My feelings on the matter: I just don't wanna catch him in bed with a goblin
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From an "ur cultural norms" point of view, how bad would it be to kidnap and mind-read this emissary? Is this a blooded martial champion? Can we read his thoughts? Can we ascertain if he has been tampered with and if so how? Is he carrying a sword? Do we know anything about it? Do we get any sense of WRONGDOING from him? Has this man broken the law, or the laws of man as we see them?
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This is insane. But he is promising Lore and Answers. I want to send Ashael or Esher to visit them and see what’s up. I trust them enough to not murder/mind control them.
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How would the mighty men/ur cultural norms react if we made a treaty with goblins? What if we conquered and subjugated them?
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So, does the First Chief worship El? Not just leave the temples unmolested and let men worship El, but give all the proper sacrifices himself? And he has not been smote for this? El does not like unclean things worshipping him, but if there's been no active action to smite this First Chief...
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TheCog posted:From an "ur cultural norms" point of view, how bad would it be to kidnap and mind-read this emissary? TheCog posted:Is this a blooded martial champion? Can we read his thoughts? Can we ascertain if he has been tampered with and if so how? TheCog posted:Is he carrying a sword? Do we know anything about it? TheCog posted:Do we get any sense of WRONGDOING from him? TheCog posted:Has this man broken the law, or the laws of man as we see them? Diogines fucked around with this message at 01:07 on May 4, 2024 |
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What is the nature of the scaled-ones that we hear live in your cities? Are they Citizens, pets, or something in between? How did a goblin come to worship THE LORD? How are... racial relations, I suppose, in your cities? How do you keep such disparate peoples from in-fighting? Do all your citizens worship El and only El, or does each race have their own deity? Have your temples been in contact with the House of El in Baitel? (Are they legitimate? I mean, everyone says of course yes to this question, but I want to judge his response anyway) Do you like cats?
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Diogines posted:...give us a random number between 1 and 10,000 please. 18 1818
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TheCog posted:How would the mighty men/ur cultural norms react if we made a treaty with goblins? TheCog posted:What if we conquered and subjugated them?
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Diogines posted:Would you like to shake his hand at some point or otherwise try to innocuously get some physical contact to help? Yes
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Diogines posted:Would you like to shake his hand at some point or otherwise try to innocuously get some physical contact to help?
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Swedish Thaumocracy posted:What is the nature of the scaled-ones that we hear live in your cities? Are they Citizens, pets, or something in between? "They are one of the peoples which the First Chief has civilized. They are rather timid but hard workers." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:How did a goblin come to worship THE LORD? "Before the First Chief united many people's beneath his banner he knew the depravity of the Bnaimokt and opposed them and fought them and in fighting them recieved a miraculous sign from the Almighty. And so like the Prophet the First Chief learned how wrong the ways of his fathers were and turned from them, though of course not EXACTLY like the Prophet, there only ever and ever shall be one prophet, Labaras, I meant only that that the First Chief learned how truly wrong all he had known was. And I am well aware this is a grand claim to make and some may find it hard to believe, that it is something too strange-" he gestures towards the northwest with one hand "-but I only point my hand towards all the First Chief has accomplished as proof and ask is this not a time of sign and wonders and dare I say, miracles even as El has revealed himself to your own people? And from this revelation the First Chief enlightened all those peoples who he came across and rallied them to El's banner and now we are here to continue the fight." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:How are... racial relations, I suppose, in your cities? How do you keep such disparate peoples from in-fighting? "At times it is difficult, it is something I imagine you appreciate in bringing into your own people those from Armanum? But the First Chief is a wise man and so he has bound them together by those things which they share in common." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Do all your citizens worship El and only El, or does each race have their own deity? "There is only one God in all the world, who made the heavens and the earth, El and all of our people know this. The sun rises and sets only as El has ordained." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Have your temples been in contact with the House of El in Baitel? (Are they legitimate? I mean, everyone says of course yes to this question, but I want to judge his response anyway) "I do not believe we have had word back from Baitel yet, if that is what you mean? But it is a long journey." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Do you like cats? "I suppose they are fine, why? I prefer dogs."
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Nothingtoseehere posted:So, does the First Chief worship El? Not just leave the temples unmolested and let men worship El, but give all the proper sacrifices himself? And he has not been smote for this? "Yes, he is El's devoted servant and fervent in his worship. It is the First Chief's great and ardent desire that all men properly worship El and obey the sacred law. It is only be obedience and subservience to El can we hope to prevail to against the demons which envelop the land."
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TheCog posted:Do we get any sense of WRONGDOING from him? You do not get a sense of WRONGDOING from him, though you may wish to keep in mind it has certain limitations, so does this mean he has not done any or you just can't tell? As to breaking the Law, you can sense that this man has broken... mortal laws before? Important ones. Unless you spend more time or Nephesh on it you can't seem to sense more. Probably not something like cannibalism or profane worship though? Has he broken an important Contract or betrayed someone? Maybe?
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Would you submit to investigations by our peoples to confirm that nothing profane is going on in your lands? "So long as you swear it is to determine that the things I have said are true and it is not done as a plot to gain advantage against our people, yes. As a pious man, the First Chief can trust you will not seek to deceive him, if you give your word. Though the men you send may not be well Blooded" Why not anyone well Blooded? "Because this is a delegation who surely comes in peace and we wish it to remain such. Surely your own people are ill at ease when Blooded foreigners walk among their homes?" It... sounds like you already had an answer to this, before I asked? "That is because I did. The First Chief appreciates that this is a strange time and our people may seem odd to you, it was considered you might ask for this and approved before I came, it is a reasonable request."
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I would like to loop Danal, Gareb, and Obel in on this. I figure they probably cover the spectrum of opinions for us to bounce off, while having the discretion to not blab no matter what happens? Although if we invite Gareb and end up going aggressively violent he probably hates us?
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Question 1. Can he swear on the altar of El on our temple that everything he says here is true? 2. Is there some proof they can provide that they know more about the bnaimokt than enkidel? Has the first chief been fighting them longer than enkidel? 3. Ask if anyone among his people got the El high five of an approved sacrifice like the manhood trials of us, danal and ruth? 4. Ask specifically if the first chief got the El sacrifice flames. 5. What is the first chief's biggest battle victory/demon or monster kill so far. 6. When did the first chief convert to El? Polgas fucked around with this message at 01:45 on May 4, 2024 |
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Nyaa posted:Does the First Chief used any sort of mental manipulation or emotion pacifying... method on the people? "What do you mean? The First Chief has given wise counsel and commands to his people?"
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Nyaa posted:Oh I mean the free beer gathering thing, seem like some wise way to govern people and what not, anything special with the drink and what not? He seems slightly confused as he says "The First Chief does at time provide drink to his people?" The idea of supernaturally mind controlling people is a Really Weird Idea. If you want to ask that, ask that? Though it is pretty provocative so you'd probably need support.
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Bring in Nabonassar to visit this guy, he's the regional expert and also the only non-Zepathan this smooth.
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Diogines posted:You shake his hand at some point during this discussion, physical contact helps with your Abilities. Dude's had fun with his goblin (or scale beast) mistress. Vote: Call me Enkidel. Set aside euphemisms in my presence. State clearly your desires, for they seem sincere enough. I had assumed Ask: Would it be possible to meet, discretely, with a goblin diplomat? If "goblin" is offensive, then what term would you have us use? Could we witness a great offering by your First Chief, if such could be arranged? Separate: Been awhile, but... Make a makeshift altar to El in the wilderness. Ask if Bochica's worship is acceptable. Is their worship profane? Can we receive a sign as to how to proceed?
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This man looks like a bearded Timothy Dalton ala Flash Gordon and as such I love him and am immediately and irrevocably on his side. Anyway Zodiac5000 posted:I would like to loop Danal, Gareb, and Obel in on this. I figure they probably cover the spectrum of opinions for us to bounce off, while having the discretion to not blab no matter what happens? +1 This seems like the right trio. I think this has sort of been already answered but it wasn't clear to me, so: Have you personally seen Bochica enter a temple of El and sacrifice to El on an ordained altar? What was the result, and what was the history of that temple and its ranking priest/whoever oversaw the sacrifice, to the best of your knowledge? Try to sense whether he's lying.
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Surely you must know my people will not agree to any treaties with goblins? Has the First Chief any ideas for how to approach his proposal without inciting the masses?
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Yah I don't trust these goblins at all. Either people won't go along with it, or El isn't going to be okay with it. We need to stay on El's good side, and that means not doing strange things like making alliances with goblins.
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Domain: Natural Order - Have these people been altered in any way? Domain: War - did any of these people contest the Goblin attack on the cities? Diogines posted:Has he broken an important Contract or betrayed someone? Maybe? Domain: Law (Synergy - Domain: Contracts) - Have any of these people betrayed an oath of lotalty to their city/King/El? Ask which part of Els, who we have to thank for everything–including our lives, gospel exhorts turning over his works to monsters? we must’ve missed that part +1 to bringing our personal council in on this
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Seems like something Jobe should be a part of. Probably Obel too Also, I realize I am late with this but since we probably had occasion to do some blooded handshaking in yeledtov I am curious if anyone read as “Sippai” Bob Tuskins fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 4, 2024 |
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Theglavwen posted:This man looks like a bearded Timothy Dalton ala Flash Gordon and as such I love him and am immediately and irrevocably on his side. +1 to all this (including the Timothy Dalton comment) Cat Wings posted:Yah I don't trust these goblins at all. Either people won't go along with it, or El isn't going to be okay with it. We need to stay on El's good side, and that means not doing strange things like making alliances with goblins. Hold up... let him
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We know many secrets. tell us what you have to offer so we may judge if you actually have new value to share
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On the one hand, goblins. On the other hand, he is kind of saying exactly what we want to hear. Sending the scouting delegation would, if nothing else, be a way to get some melachim on-site for extensive investigations in a way that doesn't arouse suspicion.
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Diogines posted:And so like the Prophet the First Chief learned how wrong the ways of his fathers were and turned from them… Do you know what an apostate is? Tell me true—with everything you have heard of me—what did you honestly expect my reaction to this would be? Do you honestly think this is something Baitel would let stand, let alone give their blessing to?
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Zodiac5000 posted:I would like to loop Danal, Gareb, and Obel in on this. I figure they probably cover the spectrum of opinions for us to bounce off, while having the discretion to not blab no matter what happens? Although if we invite Gareb and end up going aggressively violent he probably hates us? +1, lets bring some actual advisors into play.
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