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F and broadly I think hostilities are inadvisable until we have more info. We can move into the melachim city in the meantime if the priest doesn't arrive instantly.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Can we do both F and a variant of C? I guess one than the other is better for stalling for time.
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A, for now, we've got too much on our plate. "Secrets of the bnaimokt" aren't a big reveal to us, and it doesn't sound like their offer has any more mystical elements. I suspect that this guy is on the level, that what Big Gob is doing is mostly what it seems, the mind dulling helps to keep the towns from tearing each other apart, and so on. It isn't GREAT, but if their big melting pot stays Over There for now, and doesn't affect us, it's one less thing on the list.
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Probably going to vote for no deal, after we talk to their priest Ask Jobe about F Is he able/willing to do it, would he/the Temple be able to detect mental manipulation, truthfulness of his claims and the like? Ask Pubai- how much extra would any of the divination (on Gaham) options cost to include ‘hide the fact we’ve done so from any Tudiya-style returning home inspections’? Ask Jael, [Melachim who is a temple scribe- the one who came to Damu with us], and Knowledge: Law - Am I allowed to do anything indirectly in regards to a Priest who gets sent? ie a simple detect law breaking with my abilities, truth check etc or does the absolutely off limits in every conceivable way rule still apply?
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What if there's a goblin/Muki equivalent of something like us? We've seen some poo poo. I don't think it's unlikely. I propose we exchange representatives on a quarterly basis and maintain the peace as long as our guy doesn't get spooked. Cold war style; verify, then trust. They hand over the Intel, and if it's good we can consider a formal keep-at-arms-length non-aggression agreement, maintain the diplomatic exchanges but otherwise leave each other alone. When Zepath is better settled we can make a visit and check up on this oddity.
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yea, im not believing the 'secrets' aren't things 1) we already know, 2) weaknesses/tactics which, although may have lead to their defeat, we know they would've adapted to or 3) not actually of much tactical use
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alpaca diseases posted:Ask Jobe about F F is the goblins sending THEIR human high priest to talk with you, not you sending Jobe.
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May 7, 2024 00:27
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May 7, 2024 00:47
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A I don't think any more information will come from F, it'll just be "yes, they seem to worship El, yes we can sacrifice in peace, yes the sacrifices seem to be accepted".
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May 7, 2024 00:53
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L Agree to the goblin deal, no inspections necessary; that's how you get mind-washed commoners. Enkidel already made a deal with LAKE AGAM whatever it was, this is nothing. Down with the Bnaimokt, up with El.
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A. Our people can live in peace so long as you follow El's laws and avoid destabilizing the region. But we aren't ready to make any formal agreement yet, even in secret.
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Blasphemaster posted:What if there's a goblin/Muki equivalent of something like us? We've seen some poo poo. I don't think it's unlikely. I propose we exchange representatives on a quarterly basis and maintain the peace as long as our guy doesn't get spooked. Cold war style; verify, then trust. They hand over the Intel, and if it's good we can consider a formal keep-at-arms-length non-aggression agreement, maintain the diplomatic exchanges but otherwise leave each other alone. When Zepath is better settled we can make a visit and check up on this oddity. K I agree broadly with this view. We're too busy to go pick a fight with an unknown quantity of monsters right now. They are disinterested in a fight and not obviously wrong and in need of an immediate regime change operation (not any more than the average Donut tyrant). Have a secret agreement, discourage our guys from finding trouble there, revisiting our options in 50 years is good since I suspect it will take that time to stabilise things on the home front anyway. If we feel the need to do a Team Zepath, Ur Police on someone there are plenty of other assholes around that need a dose of Mercy.
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Voting 1A. I want to investigate further, but Gaham appears to be protected against Enkidel's manipulations. And their current priest might be corrupted or simply not sanctioned by Baitel. If anything, we ought to discreetly investigate further. We're dealing with a seven foot tall goblin that claims to have received visions from El and is allying with humanity.
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Diogines posted:
How tall do goblins normally get? 7ft sounds very large for a Goblin. Voting A. Something weird is definitely going on, and there's no way to know for now how much of what they say is true and how much of it is them telling us what we want to hear. I don't want to make deals with them when we don't know what's up, and I don't want to poke a potential hornets nest when we already have plenty on our plate. Ignore them for as long as possible, revisit it when food is secure and Dor/Acco are established.
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Turns out to be some blooded guy in a goblin suit who has tricked a bunch of monsters.
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Watch it be someone who did a really long psyop manhood trial and just stuck with the ruse.
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A. KILL THEM ALL
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Theglavwen posted:Turns out to be some blooded guy in a goblin suit who has tricked a bunch of monsters. One of Enkidel's great-grandchildren painted green?
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May 7, 2024 01:57
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F. This is the lynchpin: If their priest is kosher, this is an outside context issue for our melachim and gibborim.
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A Until/Unless we get orders from on high or we get clear and decisive evidence one way or the other, stick to A.
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Diogines posted:F is the goblins sending THEIR human high priest to talk with you, not you sending Jobe. Yea- is he willing/able to receive him, and do all the things we ask/he’d deem necessary
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alpaca diseases posted:Yea- is he willing/able to receive him, and do all the things we ask/he’d deem necessary
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A, as diplomatically as we can be--we have so, so much more on our plate right now we can't be setting up an entanglement this complex before we even have our food sorted out. I don't want to sign a binding agreement and find out they're being horrible on the downlow and be bound by it. I'd be happy with a NAPpy right now.
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Voting F - with Jobe and Adoram (Temple Melachim) to deal with him And also to recieve the delegation from Zarethan The only brand of absolutely unhinged devotion to El allowed is Enkidels brand 
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L. They've petitioned The House of El in Baitel to have an official temple. Let The House of El make the decision for us. We wait to hear how they respond then revisit. This is effectively A until then. By the way Diog, how long could we expect that decision to take?
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DCBomB posted:L. They've petitioned The House of El in Baitel to have an official temple. Let The House of El make the decision for us. We wait to hear how they respond then revisit. This is effectively A until then. I like this after the F if it's inconclusive.
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F Gareb says according to the current deal if the info isn't worth it then we don't actually have a peace deal so I don't see why we shouldn't take the deal. As the premier demon/ monster fighting experts in our slice of Ur they must have something truly worth knowing if they think that's worth getting our attention. They even sent a delegation to focus our attention on them if we didn't send scouts earlier. Their entire basis of a potential treaty is that they know something so useful we'd agree even if we wanted them dead.
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D+F I wanted to vote D but saw f leading, I think they're not exclusive so if we get enough d+f let's goooo. Blessed be El Goblins
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D - assuming the promise is to not send blooded men, not to only send unblooded men. I'd rather not make an oath to El to only send unblooded men and then send melachim.
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As a reminder, how long has Habaneros been in this new, goblin-tastic situation? I get the feeling there's got to be some fuckery going on if the time frame is as short as I'm assuming. Like, no sane man of this culture could make even a passing comparison between Labaras and a non-human without visibly wincing, and yet here we are.
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UppaTree posted:As a reminder, how long has Habaneros been in this new, goblin-tastic situation?  "A bit over a year before the Jubilee." So almost two years?
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UppaTree posted:As a reminder, how long has Habaneros been in this new, goblin-tastic situation? Labaras is like, the uber-example of abandoning the way of your fathers to do something new, isn't it? Is it so shocking that he would be the example used for doing something new?
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