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Shifty Pony posted:Stupidity surcharge. Nah, the car shouldn't die if it gets splashed. The 71k is probably about right since it's custom ordered and that may or may not include labor. Dealer engine swaps are stupid expensive for any car.
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Ferremit posted:The sidewall punctures will be because your running your tyres too hard. Cranking them right up to nearly the max pressure not only makes the ride absolutely obnoxiously harsh but it prevents the tyre from being able to deform around something sharp and absorb the impact, instead it just pierces straight through. If your tyres (esp. sidewalls) are getting staked on the reg, look into either LT radials (probably the best beach/sand tyres I've ever used) or crossply tyres. Crossply tyres are still legal for any and all vehicles in Australia, but going into your local K-Mart isn't going to yield any joy - find a specialty shop. You'll want to bring spare tubes and plenty of talcum powder. Oh, and split rims* with something to chain them up and something to hide behind while you inflate them. Crossplies have sidewalls the same thickness (more or less) as the tread face, which is why they're resistant to staking. Airing down tyres (within reason) won't hurt them unless you drive fast on them. Driving on bias tyres and split rims when (a) it's not the 1920s and (b) you never go off road is terrible car stuff. *: Treat these with significant care: they've a well-deserved reputation, having killed more people than bird flu, swine flu and SARS combined. E: VVV See also: SRT8 Jeep Grand Cherokee cold air intake in the wheel well. IPCRESS fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Aug 19, 2017 15:44
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Nah, the car shouldn't die if it gets splashed. Which is why I don't buy the "oh it just got splashed" story. He even says there was apparently a big "puddle" of water in the road that he did not see. Dude was driving too fast for conditions and drove through standing water. Now I wouldn't put it past the Germans to somehow design a bumper that extremely efficiently directs water up and into the intake but that still means you need to be a half foot deep or more and traveling pretty quickly.
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Aug 19, 2017 16:13
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I'm not sure I buy the guy's story either. I don't think a splash from another car is going to have enough water to hydrolock the engine. It would have to be enough to make it past that paper filter and then be enough to stay liquid to cause damage and not just turn into steam and get blown out the exhaust. This guy most likely drove into deep water and then possibly another car also drove in the water which cause enough of a wave to move the water level up to where it could be sucked in by the intake.
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Aug 19, 2017 16:38
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Isn't that the guy who made a video of himself putting his ford fusion into reverse at 70mph? If I were his insurance company (erie) I would drop him after this.
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rdb posted:Isn't that the guy who made a video of himself putting his ford fusion into reverse at 70mph? If I were his insurance company (erie) I would drop him after this. Surprised they haven't over that. Two incidents on my wife in just barely under a year and they wanted to drop us. E: To clarify, one was July '16, and the other was in June '17.
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rdb posted:Isn't that the guy who made a video of himself putting his ford fusion into reverse at 70mph? If I were his insurance company (erie) I would drop him after this. Here's the story/video http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-guy-put-his-car-in-reverse-at-70-mph-1791533910 nothing happens. The car keeps rolling and the rear camera comes on. It remains driveable afterward. theres a will theres moe fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 19, 2017 |
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Cojawfee posted:I'm not sure I buy the guy's story either. I don't think a splash from another car is going to have enough water to hydrolock the engine. It would have to be enough to make it past that paper filter and then be enough to stay liquid to cause damage and not just turn into steam and get blown out the exhaust. This guy most likely drove into deep water and then possibly another car also drove in the water which cause enough of a wave to move the water level up to where it could be sucked in by the intake. Looking at the airbox I completely agree.  The inlets are basically as high as they can practically get in the vehicle, the water would have to then go up through the air filters rather than down and out the drain hole, making a full 180 degree turn on the way through the filters, then make another 180 degree turn, then enter the turbos, so on and so forth. There's no way that happened from a mere splash. If he has an aftermarket intake, that's his problem.
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Cojawfee posted:I'm not sure I buy the guy's story either. I don't think a splash from another car is going to have enough water to hydrolock the engine. It would have to be enough to make it past that paper filter and then be enough to stay liquid to cause damage and not just turn into steam and get blown out the exhaust. This guy most likely drove into deep water and then possibly another car also drove in the water which cause enough of a wave to move the water level up to where it could be sucked in by the intake. Yeah, don't buy that for a second. When I was younger, I drove a block and a half in flood water up to the rockers in a 4-pot 00 Chevy Malibu before it died, and even then it just needed to be pushed out of the water to clear the exhaust. It started up and ran without throwing codes. Hell, maybe it was a bow wave that splashed enough water up and actually killed the car, but still, nothing that sane humans would describe as a puddle would be deep enough or long enough for that much water, unless he was driving waaaaay too fast for conditions
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theres a will theres moe posted:Here's the story/video This is possibly the most clickbaity anticlimactic bullshit I've ever seen "Watch this man put his car into REVERSE at 70mph!!!! DON'T DO THIS!" *clicks automatic transaxle to reverse* *literally nothing happens because the transmission is electronically controlled* *7 minute video*
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Sagebrush posted:This is possibly the most clickbaity anticlimactic bullshit I've ever seen I concur and have added a spoilered summary for folks who would rather avoid wasting their time. This guy seems like a real slippery rear end in a top hat. Talking about doing "tests"  and intending to call his insurance co when his vehicle is intentionally damaged.
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The real tell that it was user error and not German engineering failure is that the instrument cluster didn't light up light a Christmas tree due to water coming within 50cm of an engine sensor.
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Aug 19, 2017 17:47
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This is called insurance fraud.
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wolrah posted:Looking at the airbox I completely agree. The intake on my BMW is similar to that. There are inlets near the front grille that goes up to the intake, but then the water would have to be sucked up through the filter into the intake and then over the engine in order to get to the cylinders. The hood of that car had to be under water long enough to suck it into the intake. He's lucky he doesn't live somewhere like San Antonio where the city fines you for being stupid enough to drive into flood water.
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Aug 19, 2017 17:52
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Cojawfee posted:The guy paid 88k for the car new and the engine is 71k? Wtf AMG engines are hand built by one person, start to finish. Mercedes may keep a couple of them sitting around, but not very many. And of course the labor at ze dealer rates. You can get a used engine, of course, but that would probably void any warranty left on the car.
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The Door Frame posted:Yeah, don't buy that for a second. When I was younger, I drove a block and a half in flood water up to the rockers in a 4-pot 00 Chevy Malibu before it died, and even then it just needed to be pushed out of the water to clear the exhaust. It started up and ran without throwing codes. Hell, maybe it was a bow wave that splashed enough water up and actually killed the car, but still, nothing that sane humans would describe as a puddle would be deep enough or long enough for that much water, unless he was driving waaaaay too fast for conditions Is it time to start posting videos of various submarine cars? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5euSjOBYQY I always liked this one better than the lamborghini one that's floating around. It's fun to dig up videos of fire trucks doing it too.
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xzzy posted:Is it time to start posting videos of various submarine cars? Oh god I just thought of the bavarian submarine commander post from like a decade ago, although I'm pretty sure it's deleted and not archived.
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:AMG engines are hand built by one person, start to finish. Mercedes may keep a couple of them sitting around, but not very many. And of course the labor at ze dealer rates. AMG makes 20,000 engines per year and has 50 technicians that 'handmake' them https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/171902-amg-really-hand-crafted-2.html So, one guy could knock of these out after lunch before it's time to for the drive home, listening to David Hasselhoff
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spog posted:AMG makes 20,000 engines per year and has 50 technicians that 'handmake' them So the engine price is the opportunity cost of a full AMG car that they're not able to make an engine for in that time slot.
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Aug 20, 2017 00:53
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 This RR Wraith was worth $300K. Before the 99 Civic paint job. At least the owner has enough taste to stop at Wawa.
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It's a probably a wrap?
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Throatwarbler posted:It's a probably a wrap? You know in your heart that it's plasti-dip.
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whatever it is, it looks like a chalkboard and it's probably about that easy to keep clean
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Ferremit posted:The sidewall punctures will be because your running your tyres too hard. Cranking them right up to nearly the max pressure not only makes the ride absolutely obnoxiously harsh but it prevents the tyre from being able to deform around something sharp and absorb the impact, instead it just pierces straight through.
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spog posted:AMG makes 20,000 engines per year and has 50 technicians that 'handmake' them according to this news release, AMG sold over 23k cars last calendar year. Some other news releases show figures as high as 32k vehicles in a single year. If that thread that you linked was current (and it's not, it's 11 years old), they'd be operating at a pretty substantial engine deficit. It'd be really neat to find current yearly production numbers though! I spent about 10 seconds trying to find that on Google, but I've been awake almost 24 hours, so my reading comprehension (and patience) isn't so great. 
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It's not like it's going to be one guy in the corner of the factory doing everything by hand. They'll still have all the "normal" production-level kit and sets of matched components ready to go, so it's not quite the same as someone building one-off specialist engines. For example, I bet they still use the automated tools to run all the head bolts down in one hit, the difference is they then go over them with a torque wrench.
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You are right. I'm not sure they even use a torque wrench after. Still all one guy. A bit weird how they put on the timing chains before the heads though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyWqHOQsxR0
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theres a will theres moe posted:I concur and have added a spoilered summary for folks who would rather avoid wasting their time. Apparently he got 86k or something from insurance. He'll get like 80% for the paint protection costs as well. Edit: Off topic as hell but I'm a bit curious about how long he's been in the US for. Still has a clear accent, but his Swedish also sounds weird. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Aug 20, 2017 18:06
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Whether he is or isn't, he certainly feels skeezy. I subscribed anticipating further skoodyfrood
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Weird how AMG bruh stopped filming at the police barricade w/flooding. And next thing you know, the engine is hydrolocked because "some car splashed me". Yet that's not on video (or did I miss it?)
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I know its not really the same but mazda hand built the rensis engine because low volume engines were cheaper to build by hand. I dont see why that wouldnt apply to amg. I think mazda even said all that assisted automated poo poo was a waste till you hit a certain volume so they did it like an old assmebly line with parts bins.
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Much as I love a good conspiracy theory, I think you guys might be off the mark here: He wasn't didn't stop filming just before the incident because he wasn't filming the journey. His other videos have him used a mounted gopro in the car - this one only features mobile phone footage immediately after the car stopped, apart from one shot at the tollgate. The guy in the truck didn't mention a lake just behind the car. Also, other vehicles seem fine to pass through it without issue. Buts let's say he is lying. The contention is that he drove though a deeper puddle than the one that he told the insurance company about (and whose adjuster failed to notice symptoms of when then checked the car) For what purpose? He's not claiming off someone else's policy and my understand of US insurance is that it wouldn't make any difference how deep the puddle is. They'd still pay out and his premiums would still go up. He's not trying to get out of an expensive finance deal, since he immediately takes on a new one with the same terms I realise that I am white knighting someone that I honestly don't care what you think of them but sometimes what you hear is horses, not zebras
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Aug 20, 2017 23:01
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If he did something stupid he could lose his policy or at least have a strike against him with the insurance company. If it was someone else's fault, he doesn't come off looking as bad.
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There could be a difference in the case of insurance. If he didn't try to drive though it and the engine was hydrolocked by a splash from a passing vehicle, that could be a comprehensive claim which typically don't cause rates to go up. If he willfully drove into the water, that would likely be a collision claim which would cause rates to go up.
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Thats not necessarily true, totaling a vehicle regardless will cause your rates to go up. Also I doubt this is fraud. Why would he kill one he just special ordered only to go out and replace it with the same car. Its just idiotic clickbait.
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Lying to your insurance company can be fraud. It doesn't mean he ruined it intentionally.
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spog posted:Much as I love a good conspiracy theory, I think you guys might be off the mark here: The insurance company isnt going to pay an expert to figure out if it could happen though. Thats what gets me is how is this physically possible. I spray water in my combustion chambers to decarb. I suck that poo poo out of a bucket and it takes a hell of a lot to kill a car far more to actually hydrolock given the heat involved. Splash or spray or even a small steady stream wont do it or even cause a misfire. If you suck too much it cant hit stoich it dies and stops sucking water. In fact if you drop a vac line in a bucker full of water i dont think it would hydrolock it would probably just die before there is enough liquid to push pressures up. I guess if you let it cool and start it you would be in trouble. What he claims happened just doesnt match the results. If there were some defect that allowed this to happen i think it would be known by now.
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DogonCrook posted:The insurance company isnt going to pay an expert to figure out if it could happen though. Thats what gets me is how is this physically possible. I spray water in my combustion chambers to decarb. I suck that poo poo out of a bucket and it takes a hell of a lot to kill a car far more to actually hydrolock given the heat involved. Splash or spray or even a small steady stream wont do it or even cause a misfire. If you suck too much it cant hit stoich it dies and stops sucking water. In fact if you drop a vac line in a bucker full of water i dont think it would hydrolock it would probably just die before there is enough liquid to push pressures up. I guess if you let it cool and start it you would be in trouble. What he claims happened just doesnt match the results. If there were some defect that allowed this to happen i think it would be known by now. You're saying you can't hydro a car with a puddle? Lolololol
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DogonCrook posted:The insurance company isnt going to pay an expert to figure out if it could happen though. Thats what gets me is how is this physically possible. I spray water in my combustion chambers to decarb. I suck that poo poo out of a bucket and it takes a hell of a lot to kill a car far more to actually hydrolock given the heat involved. Splash or spray or even a small steady stream wont do it or even cause a misfire. If you suck too much it cant hit stoich it dies and stops sucking water. In fact if you drop a vac line in a bucker full of water i dont think it would hydrolock it would probably just die before there is enough liquid to push pressures up. I guess if you let it cool and start it you would be in trouble. What he claims happened just doesnt match the results. If there were some defect that allowed this to happen i think it would be known by now. LOLWUT Mate, bad luck and a small puddle will easily hydrolock an engine -hitting even a small puddle involves many litres of water. A good rainstorm and you have hundreds of litres being displaced by the car. A rainstorm like the guy described and filmed? Plausible. And no, the heat wont evap it all, no by a loooong shot. This is the secondary purpose of intake silencers / resonators - they catch water and drain it out of the intake. If the AMG's silencer doesnt do a good job of water catching I can well believe what happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFJOXbtky5Y Oh why look at this small puddle and apparently this cant happen according to you CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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I'll bet this son of a bitch stopped his car and poured water right into the intake just to get a different C63.
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