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I was so happy when (late msq) estinien finally joined the nerd club
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Apr 14, 2021 00:36
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I don't think I'll ever tire of people's "you have a WHAT" reaction when told of the tempering cure.
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Apr 14, 2021 00:40
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Bruceski posted:I don't think I'll ever tire of people's "you have a WHAT" reaction when told of the tempering cure. The knock-on effects of the Exarch's inability to use summon magic properly just keep paying dividends.
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Apr 14, 2021 00:50
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Bruceski posted:I don't think I'll ever tire of people's "you have a WHAT" reaction when told of the tempering cure. I think it's way better WHAT the tempering cure is. "We can cure tempering!" "How?" "Pig shoots at a laser at you." "... excuse me?" "Pig. It shoots a laser at you."
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Apr 14, 2021 00:52
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It's a testament to the strength of their writing and presentation that the scene of an ageless, immortal wyrm being freed from shackles both physical and metaphorical isn't dramatically undercut by a flying pig taking center stage.
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Apr 14, 2021 01:39
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The best part was Estinien going "If I don't come with you, Krile's just going to find me and bully me."
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Apr 14, 2021 01:54
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the last nier raid was cool and all but I feel like I understood the story of this raid series even less than the Ivalice one, and I didn't understand that one at all.
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Apr 14, 2021 02:50
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It's very much something you gotta be a bit tuned in to Drakenier to fully get, but also in its favor against Ivalice, there is a lot less of it to not get. I also think the letters will provide a lot of needed exposition.
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Apr 14, 2021 02:57
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They also made the smart decision of having a more down to earth story about the dorfs that's easier to understand mixed in with the weird Nier poo poo.
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Apr 14, 2021 02:58
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SirSamVimes posted:They also made the smart decision of having a more down to earth story about the dorfs that's easier to understand mixed in with the weird Nier poo poo. Yeah, while I both did not get and couldn't give a poo poo about the Nier stuff, the dwarf-related story was great and sad.
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Apr 14, 2021 03:40
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the juxtaposition between grounded character-driven moments and bizarre meta-commentary is practically a staple of the drakengard-nier extended universe
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Apr 14, 2021 03:57
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end of msq: happy to see telegraphs that Krile will be a bigger part of the active scions in 6.0
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Apr 14, 2021 04:07
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Vermain posted:It's a testament to the strength of their writing and presentation that the scene of an ageless, immortal wyrm being freed from shackles both physical and metaphorical isn't dramatically undercut by a flying pig taking center stage. "I'm gonna find a perch for a good jump. If it doesn't work, run." I don't know what it is about Estinien, I usually find similar characters insufferable but I like him even when he's in Self-Appointed Badass Mode. Edit: aside from the Dragoon 30-50 quests. That whole thing was about how badass and tragic he was, and it's when he started having folks like Alphinaud to contrast with that I stopped hating him. Bruceski fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Apr 14, 2021 04:09
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Countblanc posted:end of msq: happy to see telegraphs that Krile will be a bigger part of the active scions in 6.0 I wonder if she'll change to Sage.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:10
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Bruceski posted:I wonder if she'll change to Sage. I sorta assumed the way she was looking at Alphinaud she was gonna invite him to tag along to clear his head and that was gonna be the explanation for his job change but obviously that didn't happen
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Apr 14, 2021 04:12
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So uh why did we actually fight Diamond Weapon
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Apr 14, 2021 04:15
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Chillgamesh posted:So uh why did we actually fight Diamond Weapon It's berserk, I think. Alfonse's mind doesn't seem very much in control, or terribly able to tell friend from foe, and as far as it knows it's protecting Allie from you.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:17
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It also means that you get to capture it before the Empire does.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:18
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guys estinien is just so god drat cool edit: whoops i thought this was the main thread, cause of all the spoiler bars
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Apr 14, 2021 04:19
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Countblanc posted:I sorta assumed the way she was looking at Alphinaud she was gonna invite him to tag along to clear his head and that was gonna be the explanation for his job change but obviously that didn't happen Yeah. I was just expecting him to tell Krile to wait, because he was going with.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:20
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Bruceski posted:"I'm gonna find a perch for a good jump. If it doesn't work, run." XIV understands that the way to make edgelords likeable is to give them a healthy dose of being a grumpy dork to balance them out. See also: Sidurgu.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:21
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ok can someone who played nier or drakengard explain why the last boss of the raid has trains
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Apr 14, 2021 04:32
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I actually have played Automata and I still don't understand anything that happened in YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:38
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Kerrzhe posted:ok can someone who played nier or drakengard explain why the last boss of the raid has trains Basically, both androids and machines want to become what they imagine humanity was. All the stuff in NieR: Automata and FFXIV that looks like the ruins of human society is in suspiciously good shape for literally ten thousand year old ruins, and there's a reason for that - they're not human ruins, they're the ruins of machine and android society that were trying to cargo cult their way into being humans. The machines accomplish this by more-or-less 3D printing perfect copies of human cities into existence - that's what the textureless white city was, a new city being made.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:39
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It is also kind of a reference to the final boss of Drakengard where a Lovecraftian being transports the main character from the fantasy world the game takes place in to modern day Tokyo, and the aftermath of the sudden introduction of magic into the world is what leads to the events of Nier Replicant/Gestalt and the eventual extinction of humanity.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:45
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Kerrzhe posted:ok can someone who played nier or drakengard explain why the last boss of the raid has trains Back in Drakengard the final boss of Ending E opens up a rift and goes to modern-day Tokyo, with Caim and Angelus following. You then fight a rhythm battle (you may have heard some out of place bells or had other raiders saying "I. Hear. A. Sound") to beat it. Then during your victory lap two fighter jets blow you up. Basically the whole boss was to trigger PTSD in people who actually played that game.
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Apr 14, 2021 04:59
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Bruceski posted:Back in Drakengard the final boss of Ending E opens up a rift and goes to modern-day Tokyo, with Caim and Angelus following. You then fight a rhythm battle (you may have heard some out of place bells or had other raiders saying "I. Hear. A. Sound") to beat it. Then during your victory lap two fighter jets blow you up. yeah i knew about all this stuff i just didn't know if there was a reason the boss of the nier raid specifically summoned trains, and had dialogue acting like she was a glitchy train station announcer or something i never even played those games (just watched videos on youtube) and i'm reading way too much into it lol
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Apr 14, 2021 05:01
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Just read that when the (Drakengard/NieR) Watcher Queen comes through to Earth she arrives at a train station. I thought the last boss was supposed to be Zero from Drakengard 3 but I'm not actually sure? I also read that her hex translates to "Grotesquerie" which is what they called the Watcher manifestations in Drakengard.
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Apr 14, 2021 05:08
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NieR: The final boss is a merger of 2B/Zero and the Queen Beast from Drakengard 1, and I wouldn't ascribe too much importance to 2B being in there besides being the "protagonist" of NieR Automata (oops, that's probably actually 9S but w/e) and as such, being highly recognisable in the face of this, which is a very Replicant/Draken focused raid overall. As for train stations, they're pretty iconic and identifiably an Earth thing as well. It drives home that you're not above the ruined buildings of Amaurot near The Tempest, you're above the ruined cities of NieR Replicant/Drakengard, where White Chlorination Syndrome started and the Machines are trying/have opened a portal to the Grotesqueries universe and are trying to merge it FFXIV's. The emulating humans thing in Automata plays into the tower itself. Like they're taking the bleached ruins of Tokyo as inspiration for what humanity was.
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Apr 14, 2021 07:35
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Chillgamesh posted:So uh why did we actually fight Diamond Weapon What did you expect us to do, have a diplomatic discussion with the giant robot piloted by the brain of a dead man blindly following what he has decided his orders are? I'd watch you try doing that, but I don't like your odds.
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Apr 14, 2021 08:15
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also Alfonse being fused into the big silver robot was just one big FMA reference wasn't it
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Apr 14, 2021 08:28
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Kerrzhe posted:also Alfonse being fused into the big silver robot was just one big FMA reference wasn't it Also Gundam Blue Destiny (and about a million other Gundam references piled on there for good measure)
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Apr 14, 2021 08:48
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Pyronic posted:Also Gundam Blue Destiny (and about a million other Gundam references piled on there for good measure) Actually, my pick for this one was Iron Blooded Orphans. Alphonse is pretty much Ein, and his fighting style and specific derangement is basically a mashup of the Barbatos and the Graze Ein, too.
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Apr 14, 2021 09:29
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I died when Cid declared the name of the G-Fighter + mobile armor as the "G-Savior."
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Apr 14, 2021 09:44
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So has anyone checked out the "new" 80 SMN job quest? The notes mentioned they changed it, presumably in response to Arenvald getting merked.
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Apr 14, 2021 09:51
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You wait at spots and Arenvald comes running up to you instead of you going to talk to him but doing it in New Game+ the actual content hasn't changed.
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Apr 14, 2021 10:10
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Well, if they didn't bother doing more than that then I guess he'll both survive and also still have the use of his legs in 6.0.
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Apr 14, 2021 10:29
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Quests always take place at the point in the story they are released. All the level 80 job quests canonically take place after defeating Emet-selch but before 5.1. I'm not sure why they tweaked the Summoner quest but it never had any bearing on Arenvald's fate either way. Even if he survives and is totally fine, it's not like Fordola's role in that quest would make sense post 5.5 either!
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Apr 14, 2021 12:24
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Regy Rusty posted:Quests always take place at the point in the story they are released. All the level 80 job quests canonically take place after defeating Emet-selch but before 5.1. I'm not sure why they tweaked the Summoner quest but it never had any bearing on Arenvald's fate either way. Even if he survives and is totally fine, it's not like Fordola's role in that quest would make sense post 5.5 either! Like I've said before, while all content takes place at the point of release, I think they are aware that after release the end-of-expansion range 'flattens out' for a lot of people because they aren't staunchly following release order, so they do have to write while conscious of that. If they knew Arenvald was gonna die, they wouldn't have written him into the 80 SMN quest, because he was very avoidable and wouldn't break story continuity for a player doing it in the 'wrong but all still level 80' order. Also, what breaks Fordola in that quest? I admit it's been a while, but she starts and ends both it and 5.5 in the same state: on a prison leave program that only permits her killing primals. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Apr 14, 2021 |
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Apr 14, 2021 12:49
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I may be wrong but I don't think this changed landscape with the summoning towers will permit anything about those scenes to make sense after 5.5. Fordola isn't going to go back to just sitting in her cell because these towers and primals are an ongoing concern. I very much read the summoner quest as a precursor to this patch. Checking in on characters we haven't seen in a while who are about to have a bigger role. I mean I don't really think Arenvald will die either, but I also don't think they're writing themselves into a corner to have that quest make perfect sense at any point you do it.
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Apr 14, 2021 12:55
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