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Snazzy Frocks posted:Its really only gently caress judge. The kids were engineered by him to be dicks Engineered dicks are still dicks
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Its really only gently caress judge. The kids were engineered by him to be dicks Yeah, but Reiju managed to get over it, so what's everyone else's excuse?
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Feb 4, 2019 04:41
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Reiju didn't go through the personality modification if I recall.
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Feb 4, 2019 04:43
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Yeah, she's still capable of empathy and emotions and poo poo, but I think she was modified to be loyal to Judge so she could help Sanji but she couldn't run away with him or anything. Chapter was awesome, glad I waited for the official release on this one. Franky and Usopp's reactions to Sanji's name were perfect, I can't wait to see what his customized design looks like. C'mon Mister Prince!
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Feb 4, 2019 06:43
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Reiju's the older sibling, and probably the prototype. She has to obey Judge's orders, though like with any such restraining bolt she can find plenty of ways to work around it when necessary, she just acted like a sociopath like her brothers so she wouldn't get treated as bad as Sanji. I think that's the only mental conditioning she's had, though. The brothers not only lack empathy but a fair few other emotions including fear- they aren't even afraid for their own lives, as Judge finds out to his horror when Big Mom's family literally has them at gunpoint and the boys find it amusing despite knowing they're almost certainly going to die right there. They have some feelings, like abovementioned amusement, seem to have some lust towards Nami (the family clearly has a type) and definitely a sadistic bent, but it's clear they're the victims of a horrible experiment that Sanji was lucky to escape.
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Feb 4, 2019 07:08
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Germa’s really interesting and I hope they appear again later on as more than just a cameo.
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Feb 4, 2019 07:28
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So Law knowing about 3 Black means that this is an old theme for Germa. I always thought the raid suits were new inventions, are they just modeled after the stories?
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Feb 4, 2019 08:14
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It sounds like basically he grew up reading GI Joe and decided to start his own COBRA.
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Feb 4, 2019 08:18
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Reiju was modified after she was born, whereas the other siblings were modified before they worn born.
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Feb 4, 2019 08:26
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Germa’s really interesting and I hope they appear again later on as more than just a cameo. What were they doing when we last saw them? Last I remember seeing was the Judge getting dunked on by Mom's thunderbolt + one of the Bucho Bros slipping Sanji the black can before throwing him the gently caress outta dodge
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Feb 4, 2019 08:53
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I never really liked Germa, they were necessary as a plot device but Sanji's second origin story wasn't nearly as interesting as the first and the super sentai gimmick was relatively uninspired by Oda's usual standards.
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Feb 4, 2019 09:20
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Oh no I hope this Bellamy loser isn't the new villain. He seems like a real lame compared to Baroque Works types. I am hype to see them go to the sky island though, I wonder how they even manage that.
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Feb 4, 2019 14:27
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The Shounen Jump app gave me a chance to reread a lot of One Piece and it's amazing how little power creep there is in the beginning. East Blue ends without any power ups. Most of the time that the crew struggle, they're generally suffering from handicaps (Zoro's near-permanently handicapped throughout East Blue, Sanji takes a ton of blows trying to protect someone) or it's Luffy fighting the arc boss. Alabasta doesn't really have power ups either unless you count Nami getting a weapon upgrade and Zoro learning to cut steel. You only really start getting power ups starting CP9 with Luffy's Gear 2, Zoro's short-lived Asura, and Sanji's Diablo Jambe. Granted, the physical feats they pull off start getting more impressive, so there's this whole general power creep for the entire universe, but battle-wise, Luffy and co. remain pretty consistent for like a good half of Part 1.
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Feb 4, 2019 14:34
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It actually fits with the theme that East Blue is the boonies of the world, both the heroes and the villains are big fish in a small pond. It's only once they reach the Grand Line that they have to step up.
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Feb 4, 2019 14:43
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Granted, the physical feats they pull off start getting more impressive, so there's this whole general power creep for the entire universe, but battle-wise, Luffy and co. remain pretty consistent for like a good half of Part 1. I don't really know what beats to Luffy axing all of Arlong Park in half for a really, really long time. Lugging the gold up the beanstalk would count if the little jet ski couldn't also do it, making it look like gold is just light in OP universe. Smashing Croc through the ground feels like it's about the same as Arlong Park, to be honest. Did he lift the thing he was stuck under on Little Garden?
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Feb 4, 2019 14:46
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Climbing the mountain in Drum?
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Feb 4, 2019 14:55
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Climbing the mountain in Drum? That's just Shonen stamina. Like, a real person could probably pull that off without all the extra weight, so Luffy was just three times as good as the best free climbers in the world. Edit: and a lifetime of training and years of plotting a course. No amount of training will let you kick a ten story building in half. Don't get me wrong, the Drum climb is an amazing part of One Piece, I just don't see it as more power demanding than the Arlong Park thing Man with Hat fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Feb 4, 2019 |
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Feb 4, 2019 15:43
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Whenever I think of Ace's death scene I can only hear this, which kind of ruins the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyxr--0hHWU
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Feb 4, 2019 16:59
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Man with Hat posted:So Law knowing about 3 Black means that this is an old theme for Germa. I always thought the raid suits were new inventions, are they just modeled after the stories? Iirc, Germa 66 was always a true and real thing, but mostly as rumor aside from a notable incident in North Blue where they assassinated four kings. As for where the raid suits are modeled, it's unclear afaict since it's the WG who apparently made the comic and used the Germa as the model for the villains. It may be that Garuda basically stole the ideas from the comic to mock the WG on their depiction, but that's just speculation.
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Feb 4, 2019 17:13
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Luffy's abilities do lend themselves specifically to absurd physical feats. Pretty much every ounce of strength and endurance he has is amplified by his rubber body, combined with ridiculous reach. Reach is actually a bit of a plot point, given Oars is specifically mentioned as being as dangerous as Luffy because he's absurdly strong and has long limbs, and Kaku's giraffe form is way more dangerous than it looks. (again, giraffes in the real world have no natural predators, and share a continent with lions)
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Feb 4, 2019 17:20
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Giraffes have limitless destructive power, so that checks out.
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Feb 4, 2019 17:23
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It's worth remembering that Garp did raise Luffy, Ace, and sort of Sabo. That's the biggest component of why all 3 are monstrously powerful even without devil fruits.
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Feb 4, 2019 18:12
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every time i remember the ball of gold and the jetski i have a mental schism
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Feb 4, 2019 18:38
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Xelkelvos posted:Iirc, Germa 66 was always a true and real thing, but mostly as rumor aside from a notable incident in North Blue where they assassinated four kings. As for where the raid suits are modeled, it's unclear afaict since it's the WG who apparently made the comic and used the Germa as the model for the villains. I had interpreted it as there being multiple iterations of the Germa force in the past, and the one we see is basically just the most recent iteration, but one where Judge decided to staff it entirely with his genetically modified children. Tough to tell.
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Xelkelvos posted:Iirc, Germa 66 was always a true and real thing, but mostly as rumor aside from a notable incident in North Blue where they assassinated four kings. As for where the raid suits are modeled, it's unclear afaict since it's the WG who apparently made the comic and used the Germa as the model for the villains. The WG had no direct involvement, IIRC. The comic strip runs in Morgans's newspaper, and he mentions having ties to the Vinsmokes; presumably Judge licensed Germa 66's name and likenesses to Morgans, and he's OK with being depicted as the villain.
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Feb 4, 2019 19:16
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its profitable to be infamous in their line of work
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Feb 4, 2019 20:28
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Silver2195 posted:The WG had no direct involvement, IIRC. The comic strip runs in Morgans's newspaper, and he mentions having ties to the Vinsmokes; presumably Judge licensed Germa 66's name and likenesses to Morgans, and he's OK with being depicted as the villain. The hero is a Marine and is meant to glorify the Marines. Also, why would Morgans need to actually License anything?
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Feb 4, 2019 21:06
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Sora Warrior of the Sea is supposedly literal Marine Propaganda based on real actions of Marine Heroes. Germa 66 were chosen as the major villains because of the reputation of their commanders. If I had to offer a solution Judge and the children who aren’t Sanji have actually been active since the children were like very young, fair suits and everything. With the version in the comic showing up shortly after the Vinsmoke Children started fighting. Doesn’t explain Stealth Black being in the comics though. Judge starting to use his engineered super children as weapons almost as soon as he can checks out to me.
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Feb 4, 2019 23:38
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https://twitter.com/Bootleg_Stuff/status/1092627865928167428
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Feb 5, 2019 04:40
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GOMU GOMU NO ORGASMIC MASSAGE
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Feb 5, 2019 05:25
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Lord_Magmar posted:Doesn’t explain Stealth Black being in the comics though. He's "Stealth" black and has the power to go invisible. It could always be just a namedrop for a character they never draw because they're always invisible. Just like how until very recently, Absalom has appeared in every chapter of One Piece.
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Feb 5, 2019 20:47
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Honestly it makes more sense than how My Hero Acadamia gets away with Hagakure being extremely NSFW in every panel.
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Feb 5, 2019 21:06
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Nighthand posted:He's "Stealth" black and has the power to go invisible. It could always be just a namedrop for a character they never draw because they're always invisible. Just like how until very recently, Absalom has appeared in every chapter of One Piece. Except he's actually in one of them visible according to Law.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:08
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I hope we get a Germa 66 lore chapter as told by Law.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:32
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It doesn't seem entirely clear on what the history of Germa is, though we've had hints. Garuda apparently used to work with Dr Vegapunk, which is presumably where his got his technical knowledge and genetic engineering tech from (the 'lineage factor' seems to imply he and Vegapunk discovered DNA and genetics) which he used to modify his chidren and create his clone army, and possibly the giant Mushis. If I had a guess? Germa's been around for a long time but this latest incarnation is new, possibly a revival of a group that was defeated/destroyed and Garuda was heir to, at least we haven't seen anyone from Germa who isn't a clone soldier or his family. Mighta been more like COBRA back in the day with high-tech (for the time) gimmick soldiers (and possibly Devil Fruit powers) with the Vinsmokes as the ruling dynasty, and as conquerors of the North Blue they would naturally be major enemies of the Marines, who want a monopoly on that sort of business. Quite possibly they fell to Grand Line sailors who have experience with much worse than anything the blue seas can throw at them, and Garuda needed to study with someone like Vegapunk to catch up. (apparently it's mentioned that Vegapunk was arrested by the World Government and presumably put to work for them while Garuda escaped?) Also funny thing is Garuda is basically the North Blue counterpart to Don Krieg. Even down to having a specific enmity with Sanji and contempt for his profession.
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Feb 6, 2019 14:55
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Who's Garuda? I thought he was called Judge.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:10
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[edit] This double post was brought to you by the cheapest, most dogshit network my workplace would grudgingly pay for.
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Feb 6, 2019 15:11
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Who's Garuda? I thought he was called Judge. Judge is his actual name, Garuda is his Gerna 66 Superhero/villain title
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Feb 6, 2019 15:12
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It doesn't seem entirely clear on what the history of Germa is, though we've had hints. Garuda apparently used to work with Dr Vegapunk, which is presumably where his got his technical knowledge and genetic engineering tech from (the 'lineage factor' seems to imply he and Vegapunk discovered DNA and genetics) which he used to modify his chidren and create his clone army, and possibly the giant Mushis. I don't think Germa 66 actually had that bad a relationship with the Marines. Remember, they had Reverie rights, and while Judge did say they were probably about to lose them, that was probably for allying with Big Mom rather than for something Germa 66 did decades ago.
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Considering their Reverie invite and general methods I would assume Sora Great Warrior of the sea is a mutually beneficial piece of propaganda. The Marines are able to sell themselves as heroes through it whilst Germa can move in shadows better by being a “tale for children”.
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