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Lightning Knight posted:It's important to stress that we shouldn't demand that people take the time to do this, or that they're a bad person for not doing so. For example, CascadeBeta, to my recollection, is LGBT. I don't really expect them to spend time trying to convince Republicans they deserve to exist as they see fit, nor do I begrudge them for refusing. But I think it's worth my time, situationally, and so I do so myself. fyi dude treating a native elder with even a minimal amount of respect falls under 'right to exist' and you should absolutely be taking action against anyone who even remotely is calling that into question. theflyingorc posted:It's perfectly fine to not want to personally wrestle with difficult people - especially if you're a member of a minority that has enough poo poo going on - and it isn't anyone's job or responsibility. But telling other people not to do it is ridiculous and the entire problem I have with CascadeBeta's posting on the topic. Best thing to do is just mock them relentlessly until they either go away or show a tiny bit of contrition after they take that first step and only then, maybe engage evilweasel posted:erdogan is, iirc, an islamist of some variety (enough that back when turkey's military banned islamist parties via launching coups against them, he'd definitely have been deposed by now) but I don't know exactly how much. so he's probably, at least to our eyes, somewhat theocratic - but certainly not in the sense he'd crown himself caliph, just in the sense i suspect he's passed at least some religious laws. He's not personally an Islamist so much as his constituents are. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1189550716186177536?s=21 What does this even mean?
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not sure I agree or disagree with you here because I'm having trouble parsing your argument but I would also point out that nobody gave a poo poo anymore about the Covington kid until his parents put him back in the news with their dumb lawsuit poo poo, so if they would just stop doing that people would forget about him lol. I believe you're making my case for me you just haven't quite recognized it yet. This kid has no control over his life- his parents are the ones forcing him back into the public spotlight. He has no say in any of this, he's likely had very little say in anything in his life. Let me clarify that in my view he DID choose to do a racism and he SHOULD suffer some hella fallout because of that mind you- but a kid shouldn't be the focal point of OUR outrage. (The system should.) The kid is a symptom, his parents and the system/ideology that supports his parents are the disease. Focus on the parents, be furious at the parents- they're the ones actually doing this poo poo. Covington kid became the face of that particular moment, but Covington kid himself isn't the problem and no amount of punishing/demonizing him or being morally outraged at him is going to resolve or improve anything. Target the system.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:fyi dude treating a native elder with even a minimal amount of respect falls under 'right to exist' and you should absolutely be taking action against anyone who even remotely is calling that into question. I'm not sure if this is meant to be a rebuttal to what I said or if you think I disagree with you? Although "taking action" requires qualification here. ^ ok I'm fine with this.
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Prester Jane posted:Epstein had some real no poo poo ties to the American intelligence community and there is a real good case to be made that he was effectively operating a honeypot operation that targeted the megarich and powerful. This. William Barr, the man who runs the FBI and did the cover up for the Iran-Contra scandal, his father was original OSA, which was the precursor to the CIA and a lot of them transitioned to the CIA. Barr's father hired Jeffrey Epstein and gave him his first job. Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's right hand woman, fixer, ex-girlfriend and young girl pedophile recruiter also has ties to the old OSA and CIA and Mossad. Epstein was recruited by a legacy spy and he became a billionaire without anyone knowing where his billions came from. He started managing the accounts of billionaires for no discernible reason, which is shady as gently caress. Maxwell comes from a family of legacy intelligence agencies and is probably an intelligence agent herself. Epstein was recruited by a family of legacy political operators and intelligence agents. Also after his original arrest and "incarceration", which only lasted for a year, he designed his own prison, hired his own guards and could leave when he wanted, you know, like the Kingpin in Daredevil, only worse and real, he walked away a year later. He then went right back to what he was doing before, except now people explicitly knew that he was a pedophile and trafficked young women to be raped by the rich and powerful. You'll find pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding, again, after she's been outed for working for a billionaire pedophile sex trafficker. Recently Bill Gates has been found to have been repeatedly orbiting Epstein as well as late as 2015 and 2016, a full eight years after Epstein was outed for being a loving monster. Finally, Trump has been messing around with Epstein since the loving 80's, so the president has probably raped a lot of underage girls in the last 30-40 years.
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Slowpoke! posted:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1189550716186177536?s=21 This is nonsensical.
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Prester Jane posted:I believe you're making my case for me you just haven't quite recognized it yet. This kid has no control over his life- his parents are the ones forcing him back into the public spotlight. He has no say in any of this, he's likely had very little say in anything in his life. Let me clarify that in my view he DID choose to do a racism and he SHOULD suffer some hella fallout because of that mind you- but a kid shouldn't be the focal point of OUR outrage. (The system should.) I mean no offense, but as an HS teacher, this is bullshit. As a teenager you are far more cognitively aware than a child, and you can sure as hell make your own moral decisions if you are 16 years old. Yeah the parents are an influence but he is choosing to be the garbage person with garbage fascist friends
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Slowpoke! posted:https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1189550716186177536?s=21 Dems Bad. It doesn't need to actually be referring to anything. It's just reinforcing their presentation of Democrats with their base. TulliusCicero posted:I mean no offense, but as an HS teacher, this is bullshit. As a teenager you are far more cognitively aware than a child, and you can sure as hell make your own moral decisions if you are 16 years old. Yeah the parents are an influence but he is choosing to be the garbage person with garbage fascist friends To add to this most kids, especially teenagers, are very good at slow-walking things that they really don't want to do, though this can vary some depending upon how strict and controlling (and abusive) their parents are. He's certainly not blameless himself. Taerkar fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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TulliusCicero posted:I mean no offense, but as an HS teacher, this is bullshit. As a teenager you are far more cognitively aware than a child, and you can sure as hell make your own moral decisions if you are 16 years old. Yeah the parents are an influence but he is choosing to be the garbage person with garbage fascist friends Let's say I agree with this 100%, could you agree that we should be focused on teforming the system and not on writing fanfiction about the kid being marched to the gulag? That's been the point that people are trying to make, not that the kid is innocent or shouldn't have his poo poo turned upside down for what he did; but that the emotional focus (from certain posters itt) on seeing him punished and/or otherizing him for life is not healthy or useful.
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Lightning Knight posted:The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library burning down due to the incompetence of privatized, deregulated utilities would be the most poetic thing to happen in American politics in decades. This is too good to be left at the bottom of the previous page.
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TulliusCicero posted:I mean no offense, but as an HS teacher, this is bullshit. As a teenager you are far more cognitively aware than a child, and you can sure as hell make your own moral decisions if you are 16 years old. Yeah the parents are an influence but he is choosing to be the garbage person with garbage fascist friends I mean, his parents enrolled him in a highly conservative and wealthy private school. His potential non-fascist friend pool is pretty poor. The parents deserve the bulk of the blame here: they're the ones who put him into that school, they're the ones who hired a PR firm and filed a lawsuit and told him he did nothing wrong. I'm not saying this to exonerate him, but it's important to remember that while he's the face of the issue, he's not the driving force.
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Waiting for the inevitable, "DemocRATS so ANGRY at Trump and their inability to illegally remove him, they're now burning down Reagan's library!" Foxnews headline......
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ascii genitals posted:RUpublicans RuPaulblicans? Quick tell QAnon there’s a message here.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not sure I agree or disagree with you here because I'm having trouble parsing your argument but I would also point out that nobody gave a poo poo anymore about the Covington kid until his parents put him back in the news with their dumb lawsuit poo poo, so if they would just stop doing that people would forget about him lol. People keep framing the Covington kid like it's the Duke Lacrosse rape case. He wasn't railroaded for months in the media, he didn't go through a costly trial, and he doesn't have the "Google" problem they were going to have trying to find employment. He looked like a jackass and people said he looked like a jackass, and it would have been forgotten if he'd just...let it be forgotten. Also, I'm still not sure what, exactly, the Washington Post is supposed to have done wrong here.
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TulliusCicero posted:I mean no offense, but as an HS teacher, this is bullshit. As a teenager you are far more cognitively aware than a child, and you can sure as hell make your own moral decisions if you are 16 years old. Yeah the parents are an influence but he is choosing to be the garbage person with garbage fascist friends Going to guess you're not a teacher at a private "Christian" school, like the one this kid goes to. There's a whole level of crazy that exists there that PJ will be more than happy to tell you about. My wife taught at a school like this for a year while she was sorting out transferring her teaching certificate between states, trying to teach science to these kids was a trip. She caught flak for doing a demonstration of plate tectonics because it wasn't biblical.
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https://twitter.com/SophiaArmen/status/1189332472414257152?s=19 Ilhan is really commiting an unforced error here. She is still good and I'm still behind her but man this is rough.
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Of all the news happening today I gotta say I'm most looking forward to Papadapoulos going to jail again. gently caress that guy and gently caress anyone who does revenge porn for any reason, it's absolutely loving amazing that he couldn't help himself and had to tweet poo poo more or less proving that he was the one that did it because he was so gleeful about his crimes. These people are all so loving stupid and they all think they can just do whatever and never face any consequences because that's how it works for Trump. You ain't Trump, my dude.WoodrowSkillson posted:https://twitter.com/SophiaArmen/status/1189332472414257152?s=19 between this and pressley not endorsing Sanders the whole 'squad' thing is pretty dead as far as I'm concerned, AOC is the only one who seems capable of remaining ideologically consistent.
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Lightning Knight posted:I'm not sure if this is meant to be a rebuttal to what I said or if you think I disagree with you? Although "taking action" requires qualification here. Play some good ol minority substitution here and imagine that was a gay dude or a trans person surrounded by a bunch of jeering maga kids,which group is the burden of explaining the behavior on? In that situation, who is just trying to exist and who is trying to make that very existence unpleasant and disrespected. The dudes who showed up here trying to argue that the kids did nothing wrong (and in so doing shift the burden onto what they called a 'clearly mentally ill native') are explicitly saying those kids have more right to exist unmolested. To be clear, I think people trying to argue in favor of the kid being possibly redeemable is just distasteful and probably ignorant (as opposed to expressly bigoted) af because all we've seen is him quadruple down and this whole situation is just so US-Native relations.txt where a bunch of dudes victimize a native and the convo can't seem to shift away from 'those poor misguided whites, but that dirty looking native probably had it coming.' So yeah, that poo poo is distasteful, but it's not on the same level as arguing that the highschool juniors and seniors did nothing wrong. Basically, you let some people post some insanely bigoted poo poo in this thread and because it's couched in anti-native stuff and not slurs, all they got was a sixer. I really shouldn't have to explain this stuff.
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If she were making a symbolic vote to raise a talking point about a serious issue it's still a bad look and the wrong way to go about it. It has no effect on anything in the end, but it will invite further scrutiny on future votes from allies and trolls alike.
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theflyingorc posted:Also, I'm still not sure what, exactly, the Washington Post is supposed to have done wrong here. Reported the initial version of the story that was later shown to be inaccurate by the longer video, IIRC
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://twitter.com/SophiaArmen/status/1189332472414257152?s=19 I'm sure she knows that if she fucks with Turkey they'll cut the huge amount of aid that they give to Somalia and the human cost of losing that aid isn't worth it
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haveblue posted:Reported the initial version of the story that was later shown to be inaccurate by the longer video, IIRC I'm willing to bet that their original article was filled with "seems to show" and almost no direct accusations to the boy in question.
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fool_of_sound posted:Butt discussion goes in the primary thread guys. Something something BBQ and vapes. Hmmph! RandomBlue posted:Can't wait for MAGA hats to be added to lists of hate symbols, that's what they are. Whenever I see the American flag displayed in a non-governmental capacity, I see it as a hate symbol, too. luxury handset posted:you have to be in your 40s to remember the terror of the cold war, and nobody's really sold on american patriotism love it or leave it It depends mostly on what your influences were growing up, which led a lot to how you perceived things. I'm in my 40's, the 'threat' of the cold war was there, but by that time I'm not too sure it was taken seriously. At least not to me. Or my family. There was a fear of nuclear annihilation, but it wasn't something to be worried about day by day. By the time I was about 10, Russians were movie bad guys. They were bad and stood for bad things, because they didn't value freedom. It wasn't portrayed as a serious threat, though. Just some guys we can beat up anytime we want, basically. But the reasons they were bad weren't made clear, or understandable to me at that age.
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VitalSigns posted:Omar is right. gently caress it I'm too busy today to worry about this WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Prester Jane posted:Epstein had some real no poo poo ties to the American intelligence community and there is a real good case to be made that he was effectively operating a honeypot operation that targeted the megarich and powerful. I’d believe this a lot more if literally anything happened to the megarich and powerful in any way whatsoever at any point in time. Is the CIA running a massive, 100% successful blackmailing ring or are they just collecting a big-rear end pool of honey for no reason?
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Doctor Butts posted:I'm in my 40's, the 'threat' of the cold war was there, but by that time I'm not too sure it was taken seriously. At least not to me. Or my family. A lot of people absolutely did take it very seriously throughout most of the 80s, which fueled all of the literature and movies about the Russians and the Cold War. The Day After came out in 1983.
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theflyingorc posted:I'm willing to bet that their original article was filled with "seems to show" and almost no direct accusations to the boy in question. Found the original: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...surrounded-him/ Every bit of the "false narrative" is things they quoted from Phillips, and are attributed to him. The Post didn't create the controversy, it went viral and the post was talking about it because it was viral. The lawsuit is such obvious bullshit
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The dudes who showed up here trying to argue that the kids did nothing wrong quote:To be clear, I think people trying to argue in favor of the kid being possibly redeemable is just distasteful and probably ignorant I think the kid is potentially redeemable and that possibility should not be simply dismissed, I also come from a similar background to this kid and have some insight into the level of difficulty involved in (and the amount of time required) in overcoming the kind of deliberate miseducation and willful abuse this kid has experienced his whole life. What you can isn't to diminish the fact that this kid knowingly did a racism and should have some pretty serious consequences come his way as a result. Our focus and our outrage should be on the system- and not on fantasizing about the kids suffering or justifying misconstrued versions of events because the kid did a racism and therefore deserves anything that comes his way.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Maxwell comes from a family of legacy intelligence agencies and is probably an intelligence agent herself. Epstein was recruited by a family of legacy political operators and intelligence agents. Except if your theory is true, the CIA would be in strong position to blackmail Trump (or at least anti-Trump personnel would have a treasure trove of Epstein stuff to leak on the guy literally making political war on them) and that’s not what’s happening.
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yronic heroism posted:RuPaulblicans? If you can't declas yourself how the hell are you gonna declas someone else, can I get an amen?
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Taerkar posted:Dems Bad. I guarantee that if you were to take a random sampling of Fox News watching audience or Trump retweeters (basically the same thing I know) and quiz them on the substance of the report they'd just seen 5 minutes ago, not more than one in 10 would be able to give a coherent synopsis of what it was about. "Democrats! ...Filibuster! The same thing they.... they're doing it again! GOD drat DEMOCRATS" And that's all that's necessary. All the converted need in order to reinforce their beliefs is that secondary undifferentiated noise level, it's more about the word choice and the snide facial expressions and the sharp bursts of offended outrage at what THE ENEMY is doing than about any actionable or comprehensible synthesis of information. For most people who want to be able to sit around the dinner table and know they're among allies, where they can just grumble under their breath and get comfort and agreement from those around them, that's plenty. It isn't meant as argumentative talking points. For most people that's all they can handle. I mean I like to think I have a fairly good grasp on the various narratives going on in this thread and what they mean and yet if you cornered me on the street and asked me why the hell I think Trump is bad I'd probably just stammer and make THHPBBT noises instead of being capable of launching into a convincing argument.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm sure she knows that if she fucks with Turkey they'll cut the huge amount of aid that they give to Somalia and the human cost of losing that aid isn't worth it This seems like a huge conflict of interest if true?
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