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The Saucer Hovers posted:all coaches have it coming 
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Man that episode of cheers where Sam just slaps Diane around
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Mar 28, 2019 14:17
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https://twitter.com/neilaglet/status/1110933702316564482
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Mar 28, 2019 14:43
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spoiling a 35 year old show because it took me by surprise but fras pulling a gun on sam after getting back from Italy was super weird Of course after that Frasier just becomes a sad sack doing Charlie Work for the bar and the show just....keeps going. Later that night when falling asleep I put Frasier on and it was the episode with Diane Chambers, and the whole scene where he's freaking out in Niles' office makes so much more sense. "You...DID tell her how that made you feel, didn't you?"
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Mar 28, 2019 15:48
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food court bailiff posted:spoiling a 35 year old show because it took me by surprise but fras pulling a gun on sam after getting back from Italy was super weird I watched Frasier years before watching Cheers and I always wondered why Frasier reacted so strongly to Diane showing up and now I'm like why didn't he just shoot her as soon as she slimed her way to Seattle
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Mar 28, 2019 16:46
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Diane achieves this zen-like transdendance where the character and the actress are equally insufferable and there's nothing remotely redeemable about Diane in Frasier by the time she shows up. I know they play up Lillith as the ur-Sheba, but Diane is like some platonic hell-creature. I always thought their dumb reconciliation following her crappy play was forced and an unnecessary excuse to close the book on that storyline.
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Mar 28, 2019 16:51
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FilthyImp posted:Diane achieves this zen-like transdendance where the character and the actress are equally insufferable We call this the Geller-Schwimmer Effect
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Mar 28, 2019 16:59
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the best lil joke in that episode is in the play when ned/norm walks in and gets a "hey ned" from play-sam then the Diane character walks in and the whole bar shouts "mary anne!"
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Mar 28, 2019 17:05
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FilthyImp posted:Diane achieves this zen-like transdendance where the character and the actress are equally insufferable and there's nothing remotely redeemable about Diane in Frasier by the time she shows up. I have memories of the time when it was announced that Shelley Long was leaving Cheers to focus on her movie career, and then proceeded to make such cinematic gems as Troop Beverly Hills 
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Mar 28, 2019 17:43
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I have memories of the time when it was announced that Shelley Long was leaving Cheers to focus on her movie career, and then proceeded to make such cinematic gems as Troop Beverly Hills To be fair to her, she was lead actress of a show that went from basically dead last in ratings to right at the top and if there was ever a time to try and get out of TV to focus on movies, she left at the right time (five seasons into stardom). To be fair to the rest of the world, I don't think she realized Diane was not the reason Cheers was so successful. If Shelley hadn't ditched TV, we wouldn't have gotten Rebecca Howe and we most certainly would not have gotten three Academy Award-winning Look Who's Talking movies.
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Mar 28, 2019 18:10
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let us remember the scene in which Martin and Fraser attempt to do a "jewish mother-daughter" blow-out fight but realize that they are not equipped for it and just spiral into a mutual total crying breakdown
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Mar 28, 2019 20:53
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Sydney Bottocks posted:I have memories of the time when it was announced that Shelley Long was leaving Cheers to focus on her movie career, and then proceeded to make such cinematic gems as Troop Beverly Hills (Pawn guy throwing chair) TROOP BEVERLY HILLS IS AN ENJOYABLE MOVIE!
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Mar 28, 2019 21:07
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got a soft spot for money pit myself
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Mar 28, 2019 22:13
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Man Kelsey Grammer was rain thin in his first appearance huh, he really looks identical to David Hyde Pierce
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Mar 28, 2019 22:27
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Calaveron posted:Man Kelsey Grammer was rain thin in his first appearance huh, he really looks identical to David Hyde Pierce e: Frasier 'Caine 
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Mar 28, 2019 22:59
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vivisectvnv posted:let us remember the scene in which Martin and Fraser attempt to do a "jewish mother-daughter" blow-out fight but realize that they are not equipped for it and just spiral into a mutual total crying breakdown I watched this one the other day Niles as Jesus was inspired. Though the best Niles costume is still when he dresses up as Martin and throws his head back to do a John Mahoney belly laugh.
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Mar 29, 2019 00:13
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Quote-Unquote posted:I watched this one the other day Niles dresses as his dad for a dress like your hero party it's the sweetest drat thing.
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Mar 29, 2019 00:20
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Mar 29, 2019 00:41
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Yeah that one gets way too real
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Mar 29, 2019 01:01
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When Martin yells at him I recoil as if my real dad was yelling at me and feel about 6 years old
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tactlessbastard posted:What was offensive about Friends? I never really watched any of it. - a lot of the humor is gay jokes or characters punitively ridiculing each other over any deviation from the gender norms at the time - there's an episode where joey's whole plot & joke is that his family tailor was a molester who groped joey's junk every time he was there - ross & rachel's relationship is horribly unhealthy to themselves, each other, and their friends, and reveals them both to be bad people - negative lgbtq representation: ross' lesbian ex-wife is ross' villain for much of the series, and chandler's transgender (or just transvestite?) dad largely serves as something for chandler to complain about and other characters to laugh at Chandler: "My whole life was doomed from the start, I have had to crawl my way up, in Dickensian fashion, from extreme hardship to become but a humble transponster, for you see, my father is a cross-dresser" - still a pretty dece show tbqh Doctor Dogballs fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Mar 29, 2019 |
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Mar 29, 2019 03:19
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ross dresses like a loving buffoon throughout the whole series. his clothes look like absolute poo poo, especially his suits whereas Fråësjier is worth watching for the neckties alone
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Mar 29, 2019 03:20
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tactlessbastard posted:When Martin yells at him I recoil as if my real dad was yelling at me and feel about 6 years old Going from "You're a good boy Niles" to "I will not sit here while I'm being portrayed as a drunken jackass" was super natural and Pierce and Mahoney just knocked it out of the park. A good episode. Roz was Wonder Woman.
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Mar 29, 2019 22:08
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Solice Kirsk posted:Going from "You're a good boy Niles" to "I will not sit here while I'm being portrayed as a drunken jackass" was super natural and Pierce and Mahoney just knocked it out of the park.   I loved when the characters would get real as gently caress and that episode delivers by the bucketload. Niles and Martin sort their poo poo out and then everyone agrees that Frasier is a pompous control freak. It's great.
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Mar 29, 2019 22:30
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And the Roz is like no I didn’t dress up as Wonder Woman because I misheard she is legitimately my hero because she’s strong, confident and takes no guff from no one
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Mar 29, 2019 22:37
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Roz owns. She probably had the best character development on the show, particularly in the later seasons. I'm guessing the writers and/or producers realized at a certain point that she couldn't just be a punching bag for cheap "slut" jokes anymore, especially after Niles and Daphne got married and created a story vacuum. I'm also guessing Peri Gilpin herself started pushing back on that kind of material as well.
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Laterite posted:Roz owns. She probably had the best character development on the show, particularly in the later seasons. I'm guessing the writers and/or producers realized at a certain point that she couldn't just be a punching bag for cheap "slut" jokes anymore, especially after Niles and Daphne got married and created a story vacuum. I'm also guessing Peri Gilpin herself started pushing back on that kind of material as well. I mean, she got pregnant because the producers thought there should be consequences for her sleeping around so much
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Mar 29, 2019 22:44
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There are no greater consequences than being forced to work with a child actor.
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Mar 29, 2019 23:04
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Did Roz's kid factor into any of the episodes besides the birth?
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GamingHyena posted:Did Roz's kid factor into any of the episodes besides the birth?
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The suuuuper creepy bit where Bulldog babysits for Roz to get closer to her. Funny thing is Bulldog is actually pretty good with kids.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The suuuuper creepy bit where Bulldog babysits for Roz to get closer to her. I may be alone in this, but I find that scene between Roz and Bulldog after he comes clean to be one of the best-acted in the entire series.
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Mar 30, 2019 06:40
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Bulldog was a lovely character
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Mar 30, 2019 06:42
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Could have been worse, we could have had a lot more Chopper Dave
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Mar 30, 2019 06:47
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Insufficient romping in the fens and spinneys.
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Mar 30, 2019 06:54
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Darthemed posted:Insufficient romping in the fens and spinneys. *pops a series of balloons with increasing panic*
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Mar 30, 2019 07:47
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I just got to the one where he's like PEOPLE OF SEATTLE LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEE God dang that dude knows how to yell
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I just kind of felt sorry for Bulldog. He clearly was a better man than he acted. I don't know if there was something wrong with him or what, but he couldn't figure out how to just let go of the toxic masculinity and just love honestly. By the time he's really trying to be genuine he's poisoned the well.
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Doctor Dogballs posted:- a lot of the humor is gay jokes or characters punitively ridiculing each other over any deviation from the gender norms at the time Ross struggling with his ex and her new lover/spouse over his child is pretty standard stuff, it's a stretch to call either of them his "villain" and they're certainly not the audience's villains. They did have a long term affair though so neither are great people.
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Brawnfire posted:I just kind of felt sorry for Bulldog. He clearly was a better man than he acted. I don't know if there was something wrong with him or what, but he couldn't figure out how to just let go of the toxic masculinity and just love honestly. Classic mentality of men of that age, in their lifetimes they had to watch women slowly crawl their way up towards being more equal and it freaked them out on a deep level, these are the same types that roll their eyes at the concept of HR or sexual harassment training. I think the actor who plays him does amazing work though, he's very good at showing how manic Bulldog's emotional state is, rapidly changing from bold and confident to angry and fragile at the drop of a hat.
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